Use undocumented labor to dig a ditch from Lake Winnipeg to the Colorado River .
Non-Coalition Coalition that’s Definitely NOT a Coalition…
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Alberta’s health minister says the province won’t sign on to a federal pharmacare plan covering birth control and diabetes medication.
The deal is part of a supply-and-confidence agreement that has seen federal New Democrats support the Liberal minority government in order to get the NDP’s priority policies introduced.
The full details of the program have yet to be officially released along with legislation expected this week in Ottawa, but Alberta Health Minister Adriana LaGrange told reporters Monday the province wasn’t consulted, and the feds are overstepping their jurisdiction.
“We’re not going to allow Ottawa to pick and choose what coverage should be available to Albertans based on issues they find politically palatable,” said LaGrange, adding that she believes Alberta could be saddled with administrative and startup costs for an entirely new insurance system.
“What I find unpalatable is the fact that the federal government continues to try and usurp the authority of provincial governments,” said LaGrange, who added the national pharmacare plan had more to do with a political alliance with the NDP “than in actually enhancing programs for individuals.”
Alberta to opt out of national pharmacare deal, demanding cash instead: LaGrange — Edmonton Journal
Alberta’s health minister says the province won’t sign on to a federal pharmacare plan covering birth control and diabetes medication. The deal is part of a supply-and-confidence agreement that has seen federal New Democrats support the Liberal minority government in order to get the NDP’s...
On Monday, federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh told reporters the deal will require negotiations to get everyone on board in the same way all provinces eventually agreed to universal health care….like the negotiations involving the provinces so far in the arrangement between the Liberal/NDP & the NDP/Liberals in this healthcare agreement that’s a provincial and not federal jurisdiction? That kind of negotiation?
Will this program cover my weed prescription or do I keep paying retail and claiming it on my income tax as a refundable?Maybe not…
Alberta’s health minister says the province won’t sign on to a federal pharmacare plan covering birth control and diabetes medication.
The deal is part of a supply-and-confidence agreement that has seen federal New Democrats support the Liberal minority government in order to get the NDP’s priority policies introduced.
The full details of the program have yet to be officially released along with legislation expected this week in Ottawa, but Alberta Health Minister Adriana LaGrange told reporters Monday the province wasn’t consulted, and the feds are overstepping their jurisdiction.
“We’re not going to allow Ottawa to pick and choose what coverage should be available to Albertans based on issues they find politically palatable,” said LaGrange, adding that she believes Alberta could be saddled with administrative and startup costs for an entirely new insurance system.
“What I find unpalatable is the fact that the federal government continues to try and usurp the authority of provincial governments,” said LaGrange, who added the national pharmacare plan had more to do with a political alliance with the NDP “than in actually enhancing programs for individuals.”
LaGrange isn’t alone in voicing opposition to the national pharmacare plan. Quebec is also reportedly looking to opt out.
Alberta to opt out of national pharmacare deal, demanding cash instead: LaGrange — Edmonton Journal
Alberta’s health minister says the province won’t sign on to a federal pharmacare plan covering birth control and diabetes medication. The deal is part of a supply-and-confidence agreement that has seen federal New Democrats support the Liberal minority government in order to get the NDP’s...apple.news
On Monday, federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh told reporters the deal will require negotiations to get everyone on board in the same way all provinces eventually agreed to universal health care….like the negotiations involving the provinces so far in the arrangement between the Liberal/NDP & the NDP/Liberals in this healthcare agreement that’s a provincial and not federal jurisdiction? That kind of negotiation?
NDP’s Singh questions provinces mulling pharmacare opt-out
By Sean Previl Global NewsPosted February 26, 2024 6:41 pm EST
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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he believes provinces voicing plans to opt out of a national pharmacare plan will likely opt in eventually, noting similar sentiments were seen when universal health care became law in Canada.
“What happened was provinces had universal health care in some places, and people said, ‘Well, we’re getting our coverage,’ and then people said, ‘Well, why aren’t we getting our coverage,'” he told reporters Monday.
His comments came one day after Alberta Health Minister Adriana LaGrange wrote in an email to Global News that if the federal government pursues a national pharmacare program, the province intends to opt out and would seek a per-capita share of the funding
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he believes provinces voicing plans to opt out of a national pharmacare plan will likely opt in eventually, noting similar sentiments were seen when universal health care became law in Canada.
“What happened was provinces had universal health care in some places, and people said, ‘Well, we’re getting our coverage,’ and then people said, ‘Well, why aren’t we getting our coverage,'” he told reporters Monday.
His comments came one day after Alberta Health Minister Adriana LaGrange wrote in an email to Global News that if the federal government pursues a national pharmacare program, the province intends to opt out and would seek a per-capita share of the funding.
This is, after all, provincial jurisdiction. But Trudeau has pulled it off before.
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Tom Mulcair: Singh deserves credit for pulling off pharmacare deal with Trudeau, now what will Poilievre do? — CTV News
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh was ecstatic as he announced his latest pharmacare deal with Trudeau’s Liberals, giving Canadians a first example of what could become a crucial new national program, writes former New Democratic Party leader Tom Mulcair in his column for CTVNews.ca.
On Sunday, a spokesperson from Alberta Health Minister Adriana LaGrange’s office said Alberta was not consulted on the national pharmacare plan “and there are limitations in the initial analysis and assumptions, including start-up investment and administrative costs to implement a cost-sharing model, that were not taken into consideration that add costs for the provinces.”
Holland (Health Minister Mark Holland) says that legislation will be tabled this week, meeting the deadline to get legislation before the House of Commons as outlined in the supply and confidence non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition agreement between the Liberal/NDP & the NDP/Liberals.
Holland’s excited about introducing pharmacare legislation, but that some are “jumping the gun” and raising “premature” worries after the NDP/Liberal announced they have a deal on Friday.
Holland says he would have preferred if news of the deal being reached hadn’t “leaked” out in an official announcement by the NDP/Liberals in order to avoid confusion about what the legislation will cover.
This comes on the heels of the Alberta government saying it already intends to opt out of pharmacare, instead requesting its share of per capita funding in cash in the health care agreement that’s the jurisdiction or the provinces and not the federal government.
A government source confirmed Friday that a deal had been reached with itself, but declined comment on specifics as legislation hasn’t been introduced.
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The health minister says he will be talking with his provincial and territorial counterparts after the fact about what is included in the forthcoming bill that they weren’t consulted on before introducing it without any specifics so they can understand what the intentions are beyond propping up the minority government until Oct 20th, 2025.
Holland (Health Minister Mark Holland) says that legislation will be tabled this week, meeting the deadline to get legislation before the House of Commons as outlined in the supply and confidence non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition agreement between the Liberal/NDP & the NDP/Liberals.
Holland’s excited about introducing pharmacare legislation, but that some are “jumping the gun” and raising “premature” worries after the NDP/Liberal announced they have a deal on Friday.
Holland says he would have preferred if news of the deal being reached hadn’t “leaked” out in an official announcement by the NDP/Liberals in order to avoid confusion about what the legislation will cover.
This comes on the heels of the Alberta government saying it already intends to opt out of pharmacare, instead requesting its share of per capita funding in cash in the health care agreement that’s the jurisdiction or the provinces and not the federal government.
A government source confirmed Friday that a deal had been reached with itself, but declined comment on specifics as legislation hasn’t been introduced.
Talking about opting out of pharmacare is 'premature,' health minister says — Global News
'For provinces to say whether or not they’re going to participate in something ... is a little premature,' Health Minister Mark Holland said.
Every social problem should be addressed at the lowest level that is effective to address the problem.
Given that everybody lives someplace, "provincial" level sounds about right for this one. I strongly doubt that Ottawa is better positioned to administer pharmacare than Edmonton.
Given that everybody lives someplace, "provincial" level sounds about right for this one. I strongly doubt that Ottawa is better positioned to administer pharmacare than Edmonton.
Health Minister Mark Holland has put the pharmacare bill on the House of Commons notice paper, bringing one step closer the tabling of their long-awaited legislation and central piece in the Liberal/NDP’s deal with the NDP/Liberals…to maintain their non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition propping up both of their unpopular parties until Oct 20th, 2025.
This makes it possible to introduce the legislation on Thursday or Friday, as government bills need at least two days’ notice before they are introduced. Not that they’ve consulted with the provinces on this provincial jurisdiction issue, but…While the government confirmed a deal has been reached, it is not sharing details at this point.
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Government House leader Steve MacKinnon said on his way into Liberal caucus on Wednesday morning that he’s hopeful it will be introduced Thursday, as the deadline is Friday?
While Singh said he didn’t have the intention of immediately (or ever) triggering an election, he said the Liberal/NDP’s would no longer be able to count on NDP/Liberal’s votes on confidence votes and they would assess whether to support each one on a case-by-case basis…in a thunder without lightning sort’a way…
Quebec & Alberta already, so far, intend to opt out of the program.
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Holland (Liberal/NDP Health Minister Mark Holland) added that he planned on calling his provincial and territorial counterparts before introducing the legislation to go over the details with them that they weren’t consulted on.
This makes it possible to introduce the legislation on Thursday or Friday, as government bills need at least two days’ notice before they are introduced. Not that they’ve consulted with the provinces on this provincial jurisdiction issue, but…While the government confirmed a deal has been reached, it is not sharing details at this point.
Pharmacare legislation is a step closer to introduction — Global News
Health Minister Mark Holland has put legislation for pharmacare on the House of Commons notice paper, clearing one of the final steps before introducing the bill.
While Singh said he didn’t have the intention of immediately (or ever) triggering an election, he said the Liberal/NDP’s would no longer be able to count on NDP/Liberal’s votes on confidence votes and they would assess whether to support each one on a case-by-case basis…in a thunder without lightning sort’a way…
Quebec & Alberta already, so far, intend to opt out of the program.
Pharmacare legislation is a step closer to introduction — Global News
Health Minister Mark Holland has put legislation for pharmacare on the House of Commons notice paper, clearing one of the final steps before introducing the bill.
From my readings this AM, implementing this plan could(will?) have negative consequences for people that have superior plans through their unions/employer. Unfortunately, the article did not explain why a private plan couldn't top up what the government won't pay to your existing level of coverage.
Did your readings this morning give you a date of implementation of the Federal plan? Before or after October 20th of 2025?
Pharmacare is part of the costly supply and confidence agreement between New Democratic Party Leader Jagmeet Singh and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to keep the minority Liberal government afloat.
The plan is problematic on several fronts. It’s not up to the federal government to tell provinces how to deliver health care. Its only obligation is to provide funding. By imposing their will on the provinces, the feds are once again challenging the underpinning of Confederation. They should stay in their lane.
The Parliamentary Budget Officer has estimated the incremental cost to federal and provincial governments combined to be $11.2 billion in 2024, increasing to $13.4 billion in 2027-2028…& where will the Liberal/NDP’s & NDP/Liberals be when the check hits the table? Out having a smoke they’ve bummed off someone else? Certainly not inside at the table and answerable for the tab.
EDITORIAL: Feds’ Pharmacare plan is short on detail, big on cost — Toronto Sun
Before we fire up the confetti cannon to celebrate the federal plan for Pharmacare, we need to see some details — and a price tag. The Alberta government has said it will opt out of the drug plan and wants the federal government to give the province its share of the money with no strings...
On Monday, as Singh celebrated pharmacare’s introduction, Liberal/NDP House leader Steven MacKinnon introduced a proposal for more extended sitting days and other measures designed to get more legislation through. With the NDP/Liberal’s support that proposal was adopted Wednesday night and will allow for late-night sittings until July, end any overnight voting marathons — like one that happened in December — and generally limit the number of delay tactics available to the actual Opposition parties like the Bloc & Conservatives & even occasionally the two Green Party MP’s.
Singh gave no indication that supply and confidence non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition would be in any jeopardy between now and 2025. Surprise…surprise…
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Singh gave no indication that supply and confidence non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition-type coalition would be in any jeopardy between now and 2025. Surprise…surprise…
Why the pharmacare deal with NDP likely means Trudeau will govern well into 2025 — National Post
An NDP insider says keeping their deal alive is a way to ensure the remaining items get done and to ensure the Liberal government lives up to the promises it made
The marriage of convenience between the Liberal/NDP’s and NDP/Liberal’s is based on a simple transaction: Jagmeet Singh has agreed to prop up Justin Trudeau’s ailing government in exchange for the prime minister’s tepid backing for the NDP/Liberal’s leader’s policy priorities.
The half-hearted nature of that support was apparent when Liberal/NDP Health Minister Mark Holland unveiled Bill C-64, the new pharmacare legislation, at a community health centre in Ottawa on Thursday.
Holland was accompanied by the NDP/Liberal’s health “critic,” Don Davies. Both are decent men and spoke cordially of their ability to compromise, by which I mean come to an agreement about which neither is particularly enthusiastic.
The NDP/Liberals, for reasons best known to themselves, continue to prioritize pharmacare over other more pressing health issues, such as surgical wait times, senior care or mental health services.
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Bill C-64 makes no spending commitments and is transparently an attempt by the Liberal/NDP’s to do as little as possible while keeping the NDP/Liberals onside.
The half-hearted nature of that support was apparent when Liberal/NDP Health Minister Mark Holland unveiled Bill C-64, the new pharmacare legislation, at a community health centre in Ottawa on Thursday.
Holland was accompanied by the NDP/Liberal’s health “critic,” Don Davies. Both are decent men and spoke cordially of their ability to compromise, by which I mean come to an agreement about which neither is particularly enthusiastic.
The NDP/Liberals, for reasons best known to themselves, continue to prioritize pharmacare over other more pressing health issues, such as surgical wait times, senior care or mental health services.
John Ivison: The pharmacare bill becomes the woebegone child of a loveless Liberal-NDP marriage — National Post
The health minister and health critic spoke cordially of their ability to compromise, by which I mean come to an agreement about which neither is particularly enthusiastic
Is the "more pressing" M Ivison's opinion, somebody else's, or an actual fact?
I’m assuming it’s someone’s opinion. How informed or what it’s based upon is anybody’s guess, but these would be existing issues that potentially could’ve been resolved or lessened with an injection of the potentially $15,000,000,000.00/yr in Canadian Pesos cost the Phamacare deal will run.
24.5 million Canadians (65 per cent of the population) are covered under private plans, so most Canadians have existing coverage through their workplace or provincial social services already, so, according to the opinion in the link, the most practical solution would be to plug the gaps in the provincial systems and cover the up to 3.8-million Canadians who are either ineligible or not signed up for existing public or private systems….& the change left over could go towards reducing surgical wait times, senior care or mental health services? Or not.
I think the Pharma are thing sounds good to the low information voters that tend to vote NDP. There are far more people that have prescriptions to be filled than need expensive surgery. In any event, Singh is only interested in keeping the liberals in power until his solid gold parachute is ready.The marriage of convenience between the Liberal/NDP’s and NDP/Liberal’s is based on a simple transaction: Jagmeet Singh has agreed to prop up Justin Trudeau’s ailing government in exchange for the prime minister’s tepid backing for the NDP/Liberal’s leader’s policy priorities.
The half-hearted nature of that support was apparent when Liberal/NDP Health Minister Mark Holland unveiled Bill C-64, the new pharmacare legislation, at a community health centre in Ottawa on Thursday.
Holland was accompanied by the NDP/Liberal’s health “critic,” Don Davies. Both are decent men and spoke cordially of their ability to compromise, by which I mean come to an agreement about which neither is particularly enthusiastic.
The NDP/Liberals, for reasons best known to themselves, continue to prioritize pharmacare over other more pressing health issues, such as surgical wait times, senior care or mental health services.
Bill C-64 makes no spending commitments and is transparently an attempt by the Liberal/NDP’s to do as little as possible while keeping the NDP/Liberals onside.John Ivison: The pharmacare bill becomes the woebegone child of a loveless Liberal-NDP marriage — National Post
The health minister and health critic spoke cordially of their ability to compromise, by which I mean come to an agreement about which neither is particularly enthusiastic
This gives you a real Example of just how much of a threat the NDP/Liberals pulling out of the non-coalition coalition that definitely isn’t a coalition-type coalition confidence & supply agreement with the Liberal/NDPs really wasn’t.
The above agreement remains in force, propping up the current government until after Jagmeet receives his pension eligibility in the Spring of 2025, & the Liberal/NDP remain in power, regardless of what happens, Until about Oct 20th 2025, because of a universal non-Pharmacare Pharmacare that’s definitely not a Pharmacare-type Pharmacare sort’a framework towards a future…almost…something or another?
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The above agreement remains in force, propping up the current government until after Jagmeet receives his pension eligibility in the Spring of 2025, & the Liberal/NDP remain in power, regardless of what happens, Until about Oct 20th 2025, because of a universal non-Pharmacare Pharmacare that’s definitely not a Pharmacare-type Pharmacare sort’a framework towards a future…almost…something or another?
Chris Selley: There is no 'pharmacare deal' — National Post
Ontario hasn't 'opted in' because there is literally nothing to 'opt into'
Or simply transfer to the provincial health ministries .
