Newly released 9/11 video

SLM

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Man, no matter how long it's been, and despite the fact that I know exactly what's going to happen, every time I see that burning tower start to fall, my stomach just drops. It's like reliving it all over again.
 

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Man, no matter how long it's been, and despite the fact that I know exactly what's going to happen, every time I see that burning tower start to fall, my stomach just drops. It's like reliving it all over again.


Same here. Even if I was only 13 at the time.
 

SLM

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Same here. Even if I was only 13 at the time.

I know my daughter had a really strong reaction to the whole thing, it took place on her tenth birthday. She refused to talk about it for the longest time, I think she felt some kind of associated guilt with it. But I'm not sure if it was her age or because it happened on what is a special day for her. She has more perspective now though, yet it's still not a topic she'll talk about easily.
 

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Humanity's fate is sealed.
One side wants to kill humans to be efficient and make more profits. Totally insane and inhuman.
The other side wants to kill humans in the name of an imaginary, supposed omnipotent being, also insane and inhuman.
Fuk you all. You are only worried about how cool it is to have planes bomb other humans to satisfy your right wing desires (as posted on this forum many times). You then act so appalled when one incident kills a few thousand people. Think back to 1991. Don't be so two faced. The planes killed innocent people but it was a retaliatory strike not a random act out of the blue.
 

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Ya but WLDB has something a lot of the Usual Suspects don't have.

The ability to use critical thought and logic.

Can I ask how you felt as you watched or learned of the days events?

Thanks for the compliment. I have absolutely no problem being critical of the NDP and the people in it when they do something stupid. I know the old "If you're not a liberal at 20 you dont have a heart, but if you're not a conservative by 40 you dont have a brain" line. Maybe I got the ages wrong on that but its the same point. Its misleading anyway there are young conservatives and old people who support the NDP. The NDP doesnt automatically get my vote just because im a member of the party. If I dont like the candidate they put in my riding I'll vote for someone else, or if another party happens to have what I consider to be better ideas I'd vote for them.

As for 9/11 I think I was too young to really appreciate what was happening at the time. I know most of the other students in my class didnt judging by the stupid comments that were made. I remember some saying things like "cool" because it looked like special effects. Thankfully I wasnt that insensitive. I also wasnt really all that politically aware. I do clearly remember Bush's address and the stand out "You're with us or you're against us" line. I remember thinking 'this is going to be interesting' after his address. As we all know it was. I remember how everyone went pro-American to anti-American in what seemed to be a very short amount of time which kind of confused me at the time.

It wasnt until the first anniversary that I really understood how big 9/11 was. Before 9/11 I hadnt heard of the world trade center. I had seen the buildings in many movies and TV shows but had no idea what they were other than a couple tall buildings in New York. It actually had to be spelled out to me how important they were to the US, what they represented and that real people died there. I just saw planes flying into buildings and never really put much thought into the people inside the plane or the building. Its easy to forget about that when you dont directly see people dying. I just didnt think that every time I saw those clips I was watching hundreds of people die in a couple seconds. Once I thought about that stuff it sunk in for me. A few years later I read the 9/11 report and developed an interest in the whole thing. On the 8th or 9th anniversary I watched the CNN "as it happened" coverage. It was like seeing it for the first time. I was old enough to understand what was going on and what was going to happen but it still seemed surprising and shocking when I saw it happen again. It still is now whenever I see a clip of it. Last year I went to New York for the first time and found my visit to ground zero to be surreal. I had a fairly emotional reaction to it which was something I wasnt expecting. It was a real place for me then. One of my profs said he had a similar reaction the first time he went to Gettysberg and to a concentration camp in Germany. I guess you can say I went through a long evolution on how I felt about it.

I know my daughter had a really strong reaction to the whole thing, it took place on her tenth birthday. She refused to talk about it for the longest time, I think she felt some kind of associated guilt with it. But I'm not sure if it was her age or because it happened on what is a special day for her. She has more perspective now though, yet it's still not a topic she'll talk about easily.

I can understand that. I was born 5 years to the day after my grandfather died. As a result my birthdays werent much fun because my mother would spend that day going back into mourning for her father.
 

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As for 9/11 I think I was too young to really appreciate what was happening at the time. I know most of the other students in my class didnt judging by the stupid comments that were made. I remember some saying things like "cool" because it looked like special effects. Thankfully I wasnt that insensitive. I also wasnt really all that politically aware. I do clearly remember Bush's address and the stand out "You're with us or you're against us" line. I remember thinking 'this is going to be interesting' after his address. As we all know it was. I remember how everyone went pro-American to anti-American in what seemed to be a very short amount of time which kind of confused me at the time.

It wasnt until the first anniversary that I really understood how big 9/11 was. Before 9/11 I hadnt heard of the world trade center. I had seen the buildings in many movies and TV shows but had no idea what they were other than a couple tall buildings in New York. It actually had to be spelled out to me how important they were to the US, what they represented and that real people died there. I just saw planes flying into buildings and never really put much thought into the people inside the plane or the building. Its easy to forget about that when you dont directly see people dying. I just didnt think that every time I saw those clips I was watching hundreds of people die in a couple seconds. Once I thought about that stuff it sunk in for me. A few years later I read the 9/11 report and developed an interest in the whole thing. On the 8th or 9th anniversary I watched the CNN "as it happened" coverage. It was like seeing it for the first time. I was old enough to understand what was going on and what was going to happen but it still seemed surprising and shocking when I saw it happen again. It still is now whenever I see a clip of it. Last year I went to New York for the first time and found my visit to ground zero to be surreal. I had a fairly emotional reaction to it which was something I wasnt expecting. It was a real place for me then. One of my profs said he had a similar reaction the first time he went to Gettysberg and to a concentration camp in Germany. I guess you can say I went through a long evolution on how I felt about it.

Thank you so much for sharing those memories, WLDB. It was interesting reading about the events of that day through the eyes of someone so young at the time and how your understanding of the tragedy changed over the years.
 

gerryh

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My reactions that day will surprise some, and not others. At the moment i'm just finishing up work so can't go into much detail, but i'll start with this. My first knee jerk reaction was nuke the sons a bitches.

I'll elaborate and expand when I get home.
 

SLM

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My reactions that day will surprise some, and not others. At the moment i'm just finishing up work so can't go into much detail, but i'll start with this. My first knee jerk reaction was nuke the sons a bitches.

I'll elaborate and expand when I get home.

I look forward to reading that one, I'm betting it'll be interesting.
 

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I know my daughter had a really strong reaction to the whole thing, it took place on her tenth birthday. She refused to talk about it for the longest time, I think she felt some kind of associated guilt with it. But I'm not sure if it was her age or because it happened on what is a special day for her. She has more perspective now though, yet it's still not a topic she'll talk about easily.

Perhaps it's the fact that something usually associated with joy and happiness(a birthday in this case) happens to fall on the same day that a horrible tragedy occurs? I imagine that it would be hard (especially at first) to celebrate it afterwards with the same amount of pleasure as before.:(
 

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Perhaps it's the fact that something usually associated with joy and happiness(a birthday in this case) happens to fall on the same day that a horrible tragedy occurs? I imagine that it would be hard (especially at first) to celebrate it afterwards with the same amount of pleasure as before.:(

Yes, I think she felt like this horrible thing had invaded her day (for the longest time we couldn't call it "September 11", she'd get really upset if we did that). I even remember the decision (by the US) to go into Afghanistan was on our Thanksgiving, she made some comment about "them" ruining all the holidays. I pretty sure she didn't know who "them" was, she was only 10 after all.

A few months after, she calmed down about it, but then she was a little obsessed about it too. I got the impression she felt almost like a 'survivor's guilt' because she felt associated with it. And in a way she is and always will be. She even said a part of her dreaded last year because it was the 10 year anniversary. But of course, she's older now so she has better perspective on it. But it definitely shaped a part of her world.
 

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My reactions that day will surprise some, and not others. At the moment i'm just finishing up work so can't go into much detail, but i'll start with this. My first knee jerk reaction was nuke the sons a bitches.

I'll elaborate and expand when I get home.


On September 11 2001 I was just a few months into a new job working for a network security company in Calgary as a security consultant. When that first plane hit the WTC it was the end of our work day. From that minute on every computer in the building was streaming what was going on in New York, no more work was done.

As I said in my previous post, my first knee jerk reaction when I found out who was responsible for this senseless act, was nuke the bastards. This brought up a whole shyte load of other conflicting feelings. As most of you know I am pro-life. This means that I do NOT believe in killing any human being no matter what. It is NOT my right to do that. This caused some major internal conflict for me. I'm happy to say though that my temporary insanity was short lived and I came back to my senses.

When I heard bushy boys "You're either with us or against us" speech I was flabbergasted at the stupidity of the leader of the free world. Strike one. When I heard high ranking american politicians and media blaming Canada for "allowing" the terrorists into the u.s. I could not believe it. Strike 2. When the u.s. went into Iraq with 9/11 being one of the reasons given, and Canada said no to following, strike 3 followed quickly with american citizens as well as politicians and media branding Canada a traitor, ungrateful, veiled threats, and more.

The above made it very hard for me to "sympathize" with america when it came to 9/11. The bullshyte coming from south of the border about Canada hurt. Especially since, for the most, Canada grieved just as much as the u.s. when it came to 9/11. Most Canadians considered the attack on the WTC to be an attack on Canada as well, yet our, supposedly, bff was shoving a stick up our ass.

As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won. We, the west, have sunk to the level of the terrorists. We have succumbed to the terror. Unfortunately, the insanity was allowed to run wild and inflame.
 

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I was just strolling into class in my Animation course (college) when I saw a few classmates hovering over one guy's computer. I asked what was up and they said "The WTC buildings in New York are on fire" and were watching reports on the web.

I thought "well there ya go...." then went to my desk to start my work.... at the time, nobody knew what was going on except that the buildings were on fire and the reports were being a bit vague. By the time any of them loaded any of the reports up, the second plane already smacked into the 2nd building and the reports were kind of scattered with information.

A few minutes later, I heard a couple of them say something in surprise and I said "what's up?"

"One just collapsed!"

"Damn.... that's gotta suck." and I went back to my work. I was 21 at the time, didn't know much about the WTC, nor at that time did I really give a damn.

About 30 minutes later or an hour later (can't remember exactly) one of our instructors told us there was a terrorist attack in New York and they were sending us all home for the day.... which didn't make any sense to me since it was in the US / New York, not in Canada and none of us knew anybody there.

I just went back home to play some Team Fortress Classic for the day.

Being perfectly honest, the whole 9/11 thing didn't affect me in any remote fashion, with the exception of 9/11 dominating every channel, every radio broadcast for the next year or so, to the point it was just plain annoying.

I might have had some sort of empathy (or is it sympathy?.... meh) if the incident wasn't so over saturated for the next 2+ years everywhere you turned. It eventually just grew into annoyance, where everybody and their dog had to show their various angles of the building collapsing, what they saw, how they felt......

Two planes flew into them, they caught on fire, they collapsed, a bunch of people died, the US went off to war..... how many more frigging angles and video footage do we all have to see & hear about it? Do you guys expect to discover something new from yet another video of the same thing happening over and over again??

Do you people just love to see the same tragedy occur over and over again to make yourselves feel miserable for what happened to other people?

Yeah, it was a bad thing... it's time to do what most in the US did this past 9/11 and move the hell on.

I suppose next year someone will come across a satellite video of them collapsing.

And the year after that, someone will come across a CCTV video from Starbucks showing them collapse.

For such a tragedy you all wished never happened and makes you all sick, you guys sure know how to continually sensationalize it & throw it in everybody's faces time and time again...... as well as sit there staring at yet another video of this happening all over again to make you feel sick again.

Now I'm more than aware what I am posting is going to get a few neg reps (like I care), but maybe I should better explain why I hold the position I do:

#1 - thousands of people are dying all around the world every single day of our lives.... sometimes naturally, other times by horrific violence from others, regardless if you'd call them innocent or not.... yet very little is ever talked about over those people dying because that's the way life is.... most people's indifference from those people suffering and dying is no different from my indifference over 9/11. Sh*t happens and those people dying in 9/11 are no more important than anybody else who dies in the world, other than the fact that it happened in a location and in a way most didn't expect to occur. Apparently 9/11 is so much worse because there's so much media coverage & amateur footage covering what happened.

#2 - it seems that even though in 98% of the footage & coverage of the WTC attacks, you don't actually see people dying, it's still far worse than seeing some video footage of someone getting stoned to death, or hacked apart by machetes, or set on fire by some crazed mob.... maybe that's due to all those people around the world being different from the rest of us and isn't so bad, when the people in the WTC's were people like you and I, and it's easier for us to put ourselves in their shoes.... or the shoes of their loved ones.

Yeah, 9/11 was a bad thing that shouldn't have happened, but it did.... and a lot worse occurred after 9/11 where even more innocent people died at the hands of the US's wrath from 9/11..... regardless if it was justified or not.

I'm someone who believes in Eye for and Eye.... but the US's response went far beyond Eye for and Eye and they went after anybody who was in their way, completely indiscriminately. They could have showed the rest of the world what real justice is and show everybody that the West knows how to handle these sorts of situations in a just & civilized manner, but instead, Bush and his goons used those dead people from 9/11 as an excuse to unleash hell across the world while dragging their allies into the mess at the same time, tarnishing the memory of those people who died from 9/11, as well as those who suffer illnesses from 9/11. Bush made the US look just as bad as the "Bad Guys" wanted them to look and did a damn good job of it, that the US quickly lost any and all respect from both their enemies and most of their allies.

Some see 9/11 as a tragedy..... while others see 9/11 as the beginning of a larger tragedy.

I just find is sickening how so many people go "oh it makes my stomach turn, it makes me sad" etc.

Unless you were there, unless you directly knew someone in the buildings, unless you had any relation to the tragedy other than watching it on TV from the comfort of your home or work place, pandering to this tragedy like you're just as affected by what happened as those who were there is just sick in the head.... especially after this long after it happened.
 
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Fuk you all. You are only worried about how cool it is to have planes bomb other humans to satisfy your right wing desires (as posted on this forum many times). You then act so appalled when one incident kills a few thousand people. Think back to 1991. Don't be so two faced. The planes killed innocent people but it was a retaliatory strike not a random act out of the blue.

Wow. Seriously? Our right wing desires?

From your posts it seems that you found much joy in the death and destruction that day in the US.

Clearly your left wing desires were fullfilled on 9/11.
 
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whether I agree with them or not, I appreciate people taking the time to give an account of their impressions and memories of that day.

I remember one thought that had crossed my mind in the ensuing 24 hours was that they should kill as many innocent people as those responsible can hide behind to get to the bastards. (and I'd include myself in that too because no one is indispensable)

on 9/11 I was 46 years old. I wrote my tale of it a week later. Below is the first part of it. I'll spare you the union meeting rant that followed as I know some of you have already seen it.

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I was on the picket line that morning, doing time (8 'til noon, for $35 strike pay - God knows when I'll see it - apparently He has more pressing issues) with the rest of my UNDE/PSAC local, hittin' the bricks, blocking traffic a few minutes at a time, with the slim hope of actually affecting anything or even 'making a statement' (the military only had to whine a little to get their raise, so we thought that might work for us...making them whine, that is), even if that statement is only, "we can't get any respect, so we ain't giving any!"

Anyway, at 10am I offer to take over flagman duty for an hour, so I had to wear the reflector vest and hold the Stop/Slow sign and take my cues from the flagman a couple hundred feet away at the north end of our picket, and the next half-hour passed by uneventfully. I think it was around 10:30 (I had no watch on) that Ray, our local prez, grabbed a megaphone and addressed the crowd of strikers. He didn't point it my way, however, and though I tried, I couldn't make out, but wondered just the same, what he was saying to them, and no one walked over to apprise me. (Though I'd never given it a second thought that day, neither had I the inclination to inquire as to the subject of Ray's address, such was my state of shock and grief to follow. And it never occurred to me again, until I'd thought about writing this account the next day, and it struck me how bluntly rhetorical that question had become.)

Around a quarter-hour later, during one of the traffic stoppages, there were around 15 vehicles backed-up at my end when this exec-looking type gets out of his car, fifth from the front, and strides purposefully toward the MPs, who were in their vehicle on the shoulder adjacent to me, maintaining their police presence at the picket line so things don't get out of hand. The suit, indignantly gesturing in my direction, begins interrogating the MPs as they rise out of their vehicle to face him: "What gives this guy the right to block this road? I'd like to make a complaint - who do I lodge a complaint with?"

"Write your MP", I piped in, easily within ear-shot, and...no pun intended.

"...blah, blah, blah...", he persisted, his agitation mounting with every deeper shade of red evinced on his face.

Meanwhile, the flagman at the other end yelled, "Break!", and when the picketers cleared I flipped my sign around: SLOW, to which the traffic began to flow.

"...and these people are blocking traffic!", he raged on, unaccustomed as he most likely was to not having things his own way.

"Now you're the one who's blocking traffic, sir", I calmly interjected.

He glanced over and noticed the cars moving past me, turned around to see about 20 vehicles now backed-up behind his. He stormed off, disgusted, and as he drove past me I said, "Your patience is appreciated". (In retrospect I'm glad I didn't antagonize further with, "Have a nice day!") The cops just looked at me and smiled as I tipped my hat - they never had to say one word to the guy!

I had to stop the vehicle at the very end of that next line because the change had been called and picketers were commencing to cross. "Sorry," I apologized, "We'll only hold you up a few minutes; we appreciate your patience", and the driver, in army fatigues, didn't seem to mind.

About a minute later this driver rolls his window right down and says, "Have you heard?"

"Heard what?", I answered.

A week later now, and it's still too hard to fathom: "Terrorists hi-jacked two airliners and flew them into both towers of the World Trade Center in New York City. Both buildings collapsed. They flew a third plane into the Pentagon", the chap related, his children looking bewildered in the back seat, trying to wrap their little minds around the significance of such news, as was I.

I was stunned, letting it sink in, the surrealism commandeered my brain, like I was Clark Kent being told the Daily Planet was rubble, and I was thinking if this doesn't begin World War III then I don't know what will. "Man, this could start World War Three", I blathered, unable to say anything beyond what I'd just thought. On cue, an automaton, I flipped the sign. He just nodded and drove on, a pall of gloom left on the day, and me, in his wake.

At the side of the road, I asked the MPs if they'd heard the news. They said, "Sure; we been listening to it on our radio here for the last hour".

'Thanks for the heads-up', I thought to myself while feeling like I was the last insignificant soul on Earth to find out.

My relief came a few minutes later; I handed him back the props while we exchanged incredulities. No one seemed to really know what to make of it or how it would bode for the future other than that it was not good. "How truly worthless our plight here now seems", I remember saying.

With me back on the picket line, about 11:15am, Ray manned the megaphone once more - this time I not only heard it, but anticipated it; he read from a newly dispatched net communique:

"In light of the tragic events in Washington and New York earlier today, security will inevitably be heightened at government offices and institutions. Continuing our picket lines in these circumstances could put our members at risk. In addition, many of our members would routinely assist in protecting the safety and security of Canadians as part of their jobs. Given the current situation, it is appropriate that they remain on the job. As a result, the PSAC is suspending all strike activity for today and the rest of this week.

"As public sector workers, our solidarity goes out to our Brothers and Sisters in New York and Washington, and to all those who are affected."

On that note we broke it off and pulled up stakes; cleaned up the area and headed home. On leaving I asked if the union meeting was still on for 7pm that evening. "Yes", came the reply.
 

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As I said in my previous post, my first knee jerk reaction when I found out who was responsible for this senseless act, was nuke the bastards. This brought up a whole shyte load of other conflicting feelings. As most of you know I am pro-life. This means that I do NOT believe in killing any human being no matter what. It is NOT my right to do that. This caused some major internal conflict for me. I'm happy to say though that my temporary insanity was short lived and I came back to my senses.

When I heard bushy boys "You're either with us or against us" speech I was flabbergasted at the stupidity of the leader of the free world. Strike one. When I heard high ranking american politicians and media blaming Canada for "allowing" the terrorists into the u.s. I could not believe it. Strike 2. When the u.s. went into Iraq with 9/11 being one of the reasons given, and Canada said no to following, strike 3 followed quickly with american citizens as well as politicians and media branding Canada a traitor, ungrateful, veiled threats, and more.

The above made it very hard for me to "sympathize" with america when it came to 9/11. The bullshyte coming from south of the border about Canada hurt. Especially since, for the most, Canada grieved just as much as the u.s. when it came to 9/11. Most Canadians considered the attack on the WTC to be an attack on Canada as well, yet our, supposedly, bff was shoving a stick up our ass.

As far as I'm concerned, the terrorists have won. We, the west, have sunk to the level of the terrorists. We have succumbed to the terror. Unfortunately, the insanity was allowed to run wild and inflame.
Pretty much the same here except I still get pissed at the religious fundie whackjobs that did this and I do hope they live miserable lives and die in excruciating pain.
 

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I didn't give a damn then and I still don't. I worry about the still living. 9/11 was just another medium tragedy in an ocean of tragedy. Nobodies been charged or convicted. Another Israeli crime going unpunished.