: New pope elected is Pope Francis, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina.

[Goober]

Pope Francis first day: Personally pays for hotel room, thanks staff | World | News | National Post

VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis put his humility on display during his first day as pontiff Thursday, stopping by his hotel to pick up his luggage and pay the bill himself in a decidedly different style of papacy than his tradition-minded predecessor, who tended to stay ensconced in the frescoed halls of the Vatican.

The break from Benedict XVI’s pontificate was evident even in Francis’ wardrobe choices: He kept the simple pectoral cross of his days as bishop and eschewed the red cape that Benedict wore when he was presented to the world for the first time in 2005 – choosing instead the simple white cassock of the papacy.

The difference in style was a sign of Francis’ belief that the Catholic Church needs to be at one with the people it serves and not imposing its message on a society that often doesn’t want to hear it, Francis’ authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, said in an interview Thursday with The Associated Press.

“It seems to me for now what is certain is it’s a great change of style, which for us isn’t a small thing,” Rubin said, recalling how the former Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio would celebrate Masses with ex-prostitutes in Buenos Aires.

“He believes the church has to go to the streets,” he said, “to express this closeness of the church and this accompaniment with the people who suffer.”

 

[Spade]

From an article by Rob Burnett in the Mirror; quote:
"And Cardinal Bergoglio has been outspoken in his support for Argentina's claim. “Las Malvinas are ours,” he says.+

 

[Goober]

From an article by Rob Burnett in the Mirror; quote:
"And Cardinal Bergoglio has been outspoken in his support for Argentina's claim. “Las Malvinas are ours,” he says.+

Falkland Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Falkland Islands (/ˈfɔːlklənd/; Spanish: Islas Malvinas) are an archipelago located in the South Atlantic Ocean on the Patagonian Shelf. The principal islands are about 310 miles (500 kilometres) east of the Patagonian coast at a latitude of about 52°S. The archipelago which has an area of 4,700 square miles (12,173 square kilometres) comprises East Falkland, West Falkland and 776 smaller islands. The islands, a British Overseas Territory, enjoy a large degree of internal self-government, with the United Kingdom guaranteeing good government and taking responsibility for their defence and foreign affairs. The capital is Stanley on East Falkland.

Controversy exists over the Falklands' original discovery and subsequent colonisation by Europeans. At various times there have been French, British, Spanish, and Argentine settlements. Britain re-established its rule in 1833, though the islands continue to be claimed by Argentina. In 1982, following Argentina's invasion of the islands, the two-month-long undeclared Falklands War between both countries resulted in the surrender of all Argentine forces and the return of the islands to British administration.

The population, estimated at 2,841, primarily consists of native Falkland Islanders, the vast majority being of British descent. Other ethnicities include French, Gibraltarian, and Scandinavian. Immigration from the United Kingdom, Saint Helena, and Chile has reversed a former population decline. The predominant and official language is English. Under the British Nationality Act of 1983, Falkland Islanders are legally British citizens.

 

[Spade]

Are you suggesting the Pope should read English-language Wikipedia?

 

[Goober]

Are you suggesting the Pope should read English-language Wikipedia?

I am sure he can. What claim does Argentina have.

 

[gopher]

wulfie,

the way I view the RC Church: as one of the largest lobby groups for social conservatism

This is not entirely true. The US Catholic Bishops Conference has in the past lobbied for progressive legislation and against war. According to Huffington (which is certainly not a right wing source) it has sided with Dems more often than with Republicans.:

Julie Leininger Pycior: U.S. Catholic Bishops Side With Dems, Not GOP, on Main Issues of 2012


While it has openly professed these progressives views it has only suggested, not enforced any of these rulings and the church membership has been free to do as it pleases rather than obey them.

 

[Spade]

I am sure he can. What claim does Argentina have.

The Pope feels the claim is legitimate. I am simply quoting Burnett's quote.

 

[gopher]

The British took the Malvinas after 1823 thereby violating the Monroe Doctrine which, ironically, was endorsed by England.

 

[Goober]

The British took the Malvinas after 1823 thereby violating the Monroe Doctrine which, ironically, was endorsed by England.

Monroe who cares. Does not apply.
Falkland Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Controversy exists as to who first discovered the Falkland Islands, with competing Portuguese, Spanish and British claims from the 16th century.[13][14] While Amerindians from Patagonia could have visited the Falklands,[15] the islands were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans.[16] The first reliable sighting is usually attributed to the Dutch explorer Sebald de Weert in 1600, who named the archipelago the Sebald Islands, a name they bore on Dutch maps into the 19th century.[17]

In 1690, Captain John Strong of the Welfare en route to Puerto Deseado was driven off course and reached the Falkland Islands instead, landing at Bold Cove. Sailing between the two principal islands, he called the passage "Falkland Channel" (now Falkland Sound), after Anthony Cary, 5th Viscount Falkland, who as Commissioner of the Admiralty had financed the expedition. The island group takes its English name from this body of water.[18]

In 1764, French navigator and military commander Louis Antoine de Bougainville founded the first settlement on Berkeley Sound, in present-day Port Louis, East Falkland.[19] In 1765, British captain John Byron explored and claimed Saunders Island on West Falkland, where he named the harbour Port Egmont and a settlement was constructed in 1766.[20] Unaware of the French presence, Byron claimed the island group for King George III. Spain acquired the French colony in 1767, and placed it under a governor subordinate to the Buenos Aires colonial administration. In 1770, Spain attacked Port Egmont and expelled the British presence, bringing the two countries to the brink of war. War was avoided by a peace treaty and the British return to Port Egmont.[21]

 

[Spade]

Are you arguing with the Pope?

 

[gopher]

Monroe who cares. Does not apply.

Argentina did not exist at that time and its people were not obligated to honor a treaty made by Spain. Therefore, England's invasion of 1833 had about as much validity as its invasion on the USA in 1815.

 

[darkbeaver]

It's difficult to believe that so many think a new figurehead will correct an old evil. He's a rotten piece of work, they all are, or they don't play.

 

[Spade]

More context
"Go, Francis, and repair my Church" is the fabled command of Christ from the cross in a humble church to St. Francis. This story was recounted by Benedict XVI.

 

[EagleSmack]

From an article by Rob Burnett in the Mirror; quote:
"And Cardinal Bergoglio has been outspoken in his support for Argentina's claim. “Las Malvinas are ours,” he says.+

And how big is the Pope's army?

 

[Spade]

Well done!

What, no quotation marks?

 

[EagleSmack]

Well done!

What, no quotation marks?

I think Stalin said it a bit differently.

 

[Goober]

Argentina did not exist at that time and its people were not obligated to honor a treaty made by Spain. Therefore, England's invasion of 1833 had about as much validity as its invasion on the USA in 1815.

Check the dates eh.
Falkland Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements.[21][22] Upon withdrawal, the British left behind a plaque asserting Britain's continued claim. Spain maintained its governor until 1806 who, on his departure, left behind a plaque asserting Spanish claims. The remaining settlers were withdrawn in 1811.[21]
Monroe Doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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This article is about America's Monroe Doctrine. For Japan's Monroe Doctrine, see Japanese Monroe Doctrine for Asia.
U.S. President James Monroe
Secretary of State John Quincy Adams, author of the Monroe Doctrine

The Monroe Doctrine was a policy of the United States introduced on December 2, 1823. It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention.[1] The Doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries. The Doctrine was issued at a time when nearly all Latin American colonies of Spain and Portugal had achieved independence from the Spanish Empire (except Cuba and Puerto Rico) and the Portuguese Empire. The United States, working in agreement with Britain, wanted to guarantee no European power would move in.[2]

Are you arguing with the Pope?

Is that prohibited?

 

[gerryh]

Is that prohibited?

in this context. no, it is not prohibited.

 

[Goober]

in this context. no, it is not prohibited.

I was reading up the Popes Infallibility as I mentioned in another post. Only quickly but it needs time for a good read, for better understanding

 

[Spade]

Is that prohibited?

Franciscus imperator Romanus est.

Clearly, you are playing with fire.