New hints about life on Mars

eanassir

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He obviously made the Earth to fill it with sin. Somehow, the experiments backfired and life started growing like an obnoxious mold all over the delectable sin god created.

  • God - be glorified - created the material World for the purpose of the ethereal spiritual world;
i.e. the material object is the mould for formation of its ethereal or spiritual image; the spiritual cannot be formed unless in its material mould;
the material is temporary and the ethereal spiritual is enduring and will last forever.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 16: 96

ما عِنْدَكُمْ يَنْفَدُ وما عِنْدَ اللهِ باقٍ

The explanation:
( What is with you must vanish: What is with God will endure.)
The interpretation:
>> (What is with you must vanish) means: What wealth, furniture and fruit you have, will not endure, but will vanish because it is material.

>> (What) wealth, furniture and fruit (is with God will endure) and will not be depleted or corrupted because it is ethereal.

  • In addition, God created people to show them His mercy; but the wrong-doer refuse but only to reject the bounty of God and exchange the gratitude to God by the infidelity and non-gratitude.
This is in the Quran 11: 118 -119

وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لَجَعَلَ النَّاسَ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلاَ يَزَالُونَ مُخْتَلِفِينَ . إِلاَّ مَن رَّحِمَ رَبُّكَ وَلِذَلِكَ خَلَقَهُمْ وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ لأَمْلأنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ

The explanation:
(If your Lord [O Mohammed] had willed, He would have made people one sect, but still they disagree and contradict.

Save him to whom God hath mercy, and for that [reason: to show mercy to them] He has created them.

And [O Mohammed] it is fulfilled the word of your Lord: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether.")

It means: Hell has now been filled with the genie-kind and the man-kind.​
 

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  • God - be glorified - created the material World for the purpose of the ethereal spiritual world;
i.e. the material object is the mould for formation of its ethereal or spiritual image; the spiritual cannot be formed unless in its material mould;
the material is temporary and the ethereal spiritual is enduring and will last forever.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 16: 96

ما عِنْدَكُمْ يَنْفَدُ وما عِنْدَ اللهِ باقٍ

The explanation:
( What is with you must vanish: What is with God will endure.)
The interpretation:
>> (What is with you must vanish) means: What wealth, furniture and fruit you have, will not endure, but will vanish because it is material.

>> (What) wealth, furniture and fruit (is with God will endure) and will not be depleted or corrupted because it is ethereal.

  • In addition, God created people to show them His mercy; but the wrong-doer refuse but only to reject the bounty of God and exchange the gratitude to God by the infidelity and non-gratitude.
This is in the Quran 11: 118 -119

وَلَوْ شَاء رَبُّكَ لَجَعَلَ النَّاسَ أُمَّةً وَاحِدَةً وَلاَ يَزَالُونَ مُخْتَلِفِينَ . إِلاَّ مَن رَّحِمَ رَبُّكَ وَلِذَلِكَ خَلَقَهُمْ وَتَمَّتْ كَلِمَةُ رَبِّكَ لأَمْلأنَّ جَهَنَّمَ مِنَ الْجِنَّةِ وَالنَّاسِ أَجْمَعِينَ

The explanation:
(If your Lord [O Mohammed] had willed, He would have made people one sect, but still they disagree and contradict.

Save him to whom God hath mercy, and for that [reason: to show mercy to them] He has created them.

And [O Mohammed] it is fulfilled the word of your Lord: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether.")

It means: Hell has now been filled with the genie-kind and the man-kind.​



The daughter of his wife; and he thrown into the generations of Heth, such as I do this day when she said, Should he blessed Joseph, In the wagons which were with him whom they did eat. And Pharaoh said, Oh, my lord. Thou shalt dwell together: for stone, and laid up a man with you; then in Egypt, for in whose top of the house; and sware

Ye shall Sarah, and said unto this time of Egypt. And he was fled. So he passed through to dwell at even. Seven days thou goest toward Sodom at the waters were threescore years which shall come in the land of Israel: for a well with me. And the garden in the doer of the place El-beth-el; because they prepared the waters in unto all thy first-born; I shall serve with her, he cast the

Timna was the men took five times so the ass, and their names of the Egyptian women; for thou hast striven with Isaac, and my covenant, I am I. And the field which he called the earth: and he told to meet Moses. And there they shall be a certain place, to the depths like manner of a very grievous hail, and bare a possession of the language and nine hundred and nine years, and toil, and thou shalt thou hast done?
 

eanassir

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In any given time/space perhaps everything is alive...Perhaps the planets are alive!..In there own space, time, idea of life...What humans observe in the universe to be life..Is but a smidgen of the truth ...The truth would spin our minds till we got lost in the infinite possibilities..

Everything is energy and information ...The rest is recyclable waste :)


GreenFish66, we mean there is intelligent life: people on the planets, with the exception of Mercury and Venus on which life, once existing, has now been exterminated because of their difficult situation.
 

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GreenFish66, we mean there is intelligent life: people on the planets, with the exception of Mercury and Venus on which life, once existing, has now been exterminated because of their difficult situation.

Without wanting to interrupt your dreaming, there are many planetary situations in the Solar System so difficult as to preclude the possibility of life, certainly as we know it. The Moon will not support life but life on the Moon can be supported from Earth given the relatively short distance between the two bodies.
The ability to support life means that everything necessary for survival including a breathable atmosphere is freely available on that planet.
Since you have rightly eliminated Mercury and Venus we move on to Mars which, for all intents, has no atmosphere that anyone could breath. That by itself would let Mars out but there are other factors that make Mars incapable of supporting life.
Next come Jupiter and Saturn that for many reasons can't support life as we know it, not the least of which is their atmosphere that would poison us.
It is disappointing that even the lone Moon in the Solar System that has liquid water could not support Earthlike life.
Now, maybe there is some kind of microbial or fungus type life on the planets or on the moons of the planets but there can be no squirrels, or sparrows, or dogs and cats or people.
 

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The Moon will not support life....
Until we a get achance to drill it we don't know that for sure. Extremophiles are called that for a reason. No matter how deep we drill on earth there is always life in the rock.
 

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Until we a get achance to drill it we don't know that for sure. Extremophiles are called that for a reason. No matter how deep we drill on earth there is always life in the rock.

Unlike some people... drill into their skulls and you will still have trouble finding any signs of life!:lol:
 

eanassir

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All you need is a searchable text of the Quran, have read it at least once to know generally the kinds of claims it makes, and the knowledge of what words to search for. Allah's spreading of the earth is mentioned in 13:3, 15:9, 50:7, 51:48, 79:30, 88:20, and 91:6. Told you it was repetitive.
The motions of the sun around the earth are mentioned in 13:2, 18:86, 21:33, 35:13, and 36:40.

And now I expect you will want to look up each one of those and make a very long post explaining why they don't mean what they plainly say. Don't waste your time on that. Nobody will read it.

It is not the searchable text of the Quran; but in fact there are some websites against the Quran, and they referred to the ambiguous ayat of the Quran; such ayat which have mysterious meaning, and they try to interpret such ayat, while they do not know their true explanation and their true meaning.

Now, these are the ayat, which some claim, that such ayat say the earth is flat, not spherical in shape: The interpretation is according to the inspired interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan al-Hilly:
· Quran 13: 3

وَهُوَ الَّذِي مَدَّ الأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنْهَارًا ...الخ

The explanation:
(And it is [God] Who supplemented the earth [with the meteorites and the celestial dust which was {and is} continuously falling on it, and which increased its mass],

and made [mountains] to land thereon,
and [made therein] rivers;
and – of every fruit – He made, there, two spouses [: male and female];
He does cover the day with the night.
All of that [indeed] includes signs to a people who contemplate.)

So here the word مَدَّ they interpret as the earth is flat, while it means to supplement.
· Quran 15: 19

وَالأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ شَيْءٍ مَّوْزُونٍ

The explanation:
(And the earth have We supplemented,
and cast on it heavily landing [mountains],
and planted on it of every thing measured [or balanced.])

And here the word مَدَدْنَاهَا they interpreted as the earth is flat, while it means We supplemented it.
· Quran 50: 7

وَالْأَرْضَ مَدَدْنَاهَا وَأَلْقَيْنَا فِيهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ بَهِيجٍ

The explanation:
(And the earth have We supplemented [with dust particles, meteorites and gases],
and cast on it [mountains] that heavily landed,
and planted on it of every pleasant kind [of plant.])

And here also the word مَدَدْنَاهَا they interpreted as the earth is flat, while it means We supplemented it.


· Quran 51: 48

وَالْأَرْضَ فَرَشْنَاهَا فَنِعْمَ الْمَاهِدُونَ

The explanation:
(And the earth –– We have covered [with a layer of soil];

and how well We have prepared it!)

Here the word فَرَشْنَاهَا they interpreted as the earth is flat, while it means We covered with a layer of soil suitable for agricultuer and cultivation.

· Quran 79: 30

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا .أَخْرَجَ مِنْهَا مَاءهَا وَمَرْعَاهَا

The explanation:
(And the earth, after that, He increased it[s crust thickness.]

[And He] produced from it [: the earth] the water thereof and the pasture thereof.)

Now the word دَحَاهَا they interpreted as the earth is flat, while it means He increased the thickness of its crust; the word in the old Arab poetry [mentioned in the Arabic book of the interpreter] means: to fill and store much.

· Quran 88: 20

أَفَلَا يَنظُرُونَ إِلَى الْإِبِلِ كَيْفَ خُلِقَتْ .وَإِلَى السَّمَاء كَيْفَ رُفِعَتْ . وَإِلَى الْجِبَالِ كَيْفَ نُصِبَتْ . وَإِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَيْفَ سُطِحَتْ

The explanation:
(Do they not consider how the camel is [wisely] created!?

How the sky is raised high [above the earth, without pillars, that they see],

How the mountains are set up [on the earth like pegs],

And how the earth is leveled [after its cooling and the formation of a crust suitable for dwelling and cultivation]?)

It means [as the word سُطِحَتْ literally indicates]:
A surface was made for the earth to become suitable for being inhabited by people, and suitable for cultivation and agriculture.

· Quran 91: 6

وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا طَحَاهَا

The explanation:
(And [by] the earth and [the matter] which enlarged it [and increased the thickness of its crust!])


They interpreted the word طَحَاهَا as the earth is flat, while it means: He enlarged it [and increased the thickness of its crust. The interpreter confirmed his interpretation by the old Arab poetry.
 
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Until we a get achance to drill it we don't know that for sure. Extremophiles are called that for a reason. No matter how deep we drill on earth there is always life in the rock.

My point was that right now the moon will not support life. We can terraform a small part of the moon and bring in breathing air and do all sorts of wonderful things but at the moment, there is only one body in the Solar System that supports human life and that is Earth.
 

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All you need is a searchable text of the Quran, have read it at least once to know generally the kinds of claims it makes, and the knowledge of what words to search for. Allah's spreading of the earth is mentioned in 13:3, 15:9, 50:7, 51:48, 79:30, 88:20, and 91:6. Told you it was repetitive.
The motions of the sun around the earth are mentioned in 13:2, 18:86, 21:33, 35:13, and 36:40.

And now I expect you will want to look up each one of those and make a very long post explaining why they don't mean what they plainly say. Don't waste your time on that. Nobody will read it.

These are the ayat of the Quran which some have claimed telling the sun moves around the earth: nothing of that: nothing at all saying the sun moves around the earth :

· Quran 13: 2
وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى
The explanation:
(And [God] subjected the sun and the moon; each running on for an appointed term)

· Quran18: 86
حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْمًا قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْنًا
The explanation:
(Until when he reached at sun-set [time], he found it setting under the observation of a black woman, and he found with her a people.
We said: "O 'Zul-qarnain', you have either to punish, or to show them kindness.")


· Quran 21: 33
وَهُوَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ اللَّيْلَ وَالنَّهَارَ وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
The explanation:
(And it is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Each [of the planets and their satellites ] is swimming along in an orbit.)

The interpretation:
Each object moves in its orbit: the planets circle around the sun, the moons circle around the planets, and the sun spins around itself from right to left; and all these objects are in continuous movement.

· Quran 35: 13
وَسَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى
The explanation:
(And [God] has subdued the sun and the moon [to your benefit]; each one runs its course to an appointed term.)

· Quran 36: 40
لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
The explanation:
(It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, neither does the night outstrip the day; but each [of the sun, the moon and the earth] is swimming along into a [specific] orbit.)​
 

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So me and the princess trundled off to the big smoke for supper the other night.
Got to chit-chatting and so forth.
Before we knew it, it was after dark.
So there we were.
Dark and all.

On our return home I swear to god, we saw aliens.
The Missus and I figure Mars must be pretty damn crowded.
Immigration should just send em on back, I figure.
Trex
 

eanassir

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Perhaps there is a reason the planets were personified as gods?


The planets are not any gods; God is the Creator of the planets and of everything in the universe; and there isn't any god to be worshipped in the entire universe, but only God Almighty: the Creator.
 

eanassir

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A great, dreamy, theory, but the fossil record doesn't support it. Every animal on Earth including man and microbes, and plants evolved on this planet.

A Timeline of Evolution

plant evolution timeline - Google Images


They did not put in their consideration this idea of the life seed came from some other destroyed planets, and the rocks of those past planets fell on Earth and the rest of planets, which carried life thereto.

Such idea of the life seed imported from some inhabited planets that had been destroyed in the past; such idea will explain many mysterious findings and solve the problem of the false evolution in the way that the atheist claim.

All such transmission of life from one past and destroyed solar system to a newly formed solar system will kill such atheistic theories like the evolution theory of Darwin and his group.

All this spread and creation of different forms of life is designed by the Great Designer: God Almighty: the Creator.
 
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I can't think of anyone so devoid of scientific knowledge over the age of 4 than this guy. That's impressive. No wonder I can hear Les chuckling away so much when he's sitting here.