National Post: NDP making huge gains as Canada tilts leftward

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How census figures cement Harper’s grip on power

The 2011 census confirms what the ballot box has already told us: Aspiring Canada votes Conservative.

If the NDP or Liberals are ever to win government, they must break the bond between these aspirational voters and Stephen Harper.

The latest tranche of data released Tuesday morning by Statistics Canada paints a picture of a country that is about to get old. The population of seniors is growing; for the first time, those who are getting ready to leave the labour force (age 55 to 64) exceed those getting ready to enter it (aged 15 to 24).

But the country is not aging uniformly. Younger, working-age Canadians are moving West, to where the jobs are. And within the big cities, the downtowns are aging differently than the suburbs.

The Conservatives are the party of the West and the party of suburbs. That is why Stephen Harper is Prime Minister.

Once again, the census paints a picture of three Canada’s. The proportion of the population over 65 is higher than the national average in Quebec and in Atlantic Canada. Ontario is about average. The West, except for the retirement Mecca of British Columbia, is younger than average.

Generally, an older society is a poorer society, because seniors consume more from government than they contribute through taxes, and because the economy is unable to provide the jobs needed to keep young people from leaving town in search of work.

These consuming provinces east of the Ottawa River predominantly vote NDP or Liberal. The contributing provinces of Western Canada, where a booming resource centre acts as a job magnet, vote Conservative.

But it’s much more than a story of East versus West. Even more, it’s a story of downtowns versus suburbs. As the census observes: “Differences in age structure between central and peripheral areas are particularly striking” in Canada’s largest cities.

In the suburban communities surrounding Toronto, the percentage of families with young children is well above the national average. The percentage of older Canadians is below average. These edge cities – Brampton, Mississauga, Vaughan, Markham, Ajax and Pickering, Oshawa –are largely middle-class. They have large populations of working parents. They pay more in federal taxes than they consume in federal services. Many of them are immigrants who have done well. In the last federal election, almost every riding in this suburban belt went Conservative.

In Toronto itself, the number of both seniors and families with children is both below the national average. The city has a large population of singles and DINKs, (double-income-no-kids). Many of these voters are well-educated professionals who work the financial, educational and cultural industries. And the ridings of downtown Toronto are Liberal or NDP.

Both the demographics and the political results are mirrored in Vancouver, (though the population of retirees is higher there, thanks to the weather).

Local cultures, of course, influence results. In Montreal, the Liberals did well in English enclaves; in Calgary the Conservatives prevailed in every postal code; parts of rural English Canada, though older and poorer than the national average, voted Conservative for cultural reasons.

But where it counts, in the populous communities outside the downtowns of cities in English Canada, suburban middle-class voters who seek a better life both for themselves and for their children vote for the party that they believe will look after the economy, protect their jobs and keep their taxes low.

In the next election, these suburban cities will receive the lion’s share of the 30 new seats being added to the House of Commons. Those seats will go Conservative, too, unless the Liberals or the NDP can think of a way to make aspirational Canadians change their minds.

How census figures cement Harper's grip on power - The Globe and Mail

So I could see a future with maybe a neo-conservative party, and then either a liberal-conservative or social-corporatist party, or even all three.

This would mean two conservative parties and one very moderately socialist one.

The NDP might not like that future.
 

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I remember reading an article a while back showing many immigrants are socially conservative, economically liberal, but still favouring some kind of social security for the poorest.

If that article was correct, and all parties start chasing their votes, we could immagine the NDP toning down on its social progressivism, the Conservatives being a little less harsh on programmes aimed at the poorest, but still with the NDP toning down on many unnecessary funding programmes like the CBC.

Overall, that description comes across as moderate social conservative overall.

Why do you think they're trying to scrap the socialist moniker?

Bear in mind though that even a social-corporatist party would still be socialist. Barely so, but still. And I think there might still be some room for that kind of really moderate socialist party.

i think though that if a moderate liberal conservative party appeared on the scene, the NDP would be relieved and the Neocons would be sweating bullets.

Many of us are conservative in principle, and patriotic, but are sick and tired of the jingoism and other shenanigans of the current Conservative Party of Canada.
 

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Look, whatever the party is called, I think Canadians are realizing that there is no best doctrine from one ideological bent. In fact, it should become evident in all countries that a bit of conservatism here, and a bit of socialism there and a bit of wtf somewhere else is probably good for everyone.
 

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What we now have is one neo-Conservative Party that has not a conservative idea to its name. One moderate conservative Party in the Liberals who may have progressive Liberal at one time but abandoned that for a less democratic model sometime after Trudeau: and one slightly left of centre Party in the NDP: a Party that has also abandoned its roots and its constituency for the mushy middle.
 

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What we now have is one neo-Conservative Party that has not a conservative idea to its name. One moderate conservative Party in the Liberals who may have progressive Liberal at one time but abandoned that for a less democratic model sometime after Trudeau: and one slightly left of centre Party in the NDP: a Party that has also abandoned its roots and its constituency for the mushy middle.

This is a reflection of the people in this country though. They recognize that previous political theories - like libertarianism for instance - are not as important as looking at specific issues to determine what's in everyone's best interest.
 

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This is a reflection of the people in this country though. They recognize that previous political theories - like libertarianism for instance - are not as important as looking at specific issues to determine what's in everyone's best interest.

Agreed.

I remember voting for the local Libertarian candidate last provincial election because he was not quite as ideological as some Libertarians are, plus he actually presented some good ideas.

Had he been some Libertarian ideologue, there is no way I could have voted for him.

So far, I've voted for NDP, Green and Libertarian federally and provincially combined, and have also cast my share of blank ballots like in the last fed election.

Though to be more precise, it's not so much the party I vote for but the candidate. Whoever has good ideas to present.

unfortunately, many vote too blindly to this or that party.

The strange thing is though, I've never voted for a Conservative, Reform or Progressive conservative yet, even though in principle I agree more with them sometimes. But the local candidate they've always given me so far just did not deserve the job.
 

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Canada tilts any farther left we gonna fall right into Russia or China.

Flossy: Have you ever looked at a globe? You do know what that is don't you? But since you are a LMC I will explain it for you. If you stand looking straight forward at Canada on a globe you will notice a big blue spot. That is the Pacific Ocean. Left of that is a land mass made up of mostly Russia and China.
 

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Flossy: Have you ever looked at a globe? You do know what that is don't you? But since you are a LMC I will explain it for you. If you stand looking straight forward at Canada on a globe you will notice a big blue spot. That is the Pacific Ocean. Left of that is a land mass made up of mostly Russia and China.
But if you are standing on the Earth and looking south, Europe is on your left.

I would love to see the NDP take the next election, if for no other reason than to watch the conservatives and liberals crap their drawers. I think the general flow of public opinion is swinging more and more toward social and economic justice and equality, no matter how much the right leaners scream and protest against it. The sheeple are waking up from their zombie like stupor.
 

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But if you are standing on the Earth and looking south, Europe is on your left.

I would love to see the NDP take the next election, if for no other reason than to watch the conservatives and liberals crap their drawers. I think the general flow of public opinion is swinging more and more toward social and economic justice and equality, no matter how much the right leaners scream and protest against it. The sheeple are waking up from their zombie like stupor.

Fine for those of you that already suck off the taxpayers tit. Only problem is where does the money come from when the dippers turn Canada into Greece west?
 

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Fine for those of you that already suck off the taxpayers tit. Only problem is where does the money come from when the dippers turn Canada into Greece west?
I can't wait until you are 65 and some punk tells you you are a parasite on the system.
 

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But if you are standing on the Earth and looking south, Europe is on your left.

I would love to see the NDP take the next election, if for no other reason than to watch the conservatives and liberals crap their drawers. I think the general flow of public opinion is swinging more and more toward social and economic justice and equality, no matter how much the right leaners scream and protest against it. The sheeple are waking up from their zombie like stupor.

The people in Greece are waking up too Cliffy, and it looks like they are beginning to realize that the nightmares they had in their sleep are preferable to the reality that they face. Funny thing about sheeple, the Greeks were sold a bill of goods on the whole social and economic thingy and now here they without a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of and all of the screaming and protesting they are doing ain't changing that reality.

So maybe the take-away for you on this is that equality, social and economic also come with responsibilities. That being, there is an expectation that they assume equality in the hardship part of society as opposed to demanding just the upside.
 

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The people in Greece are waking up too Cliffy, and it looks like they are beginning to realize that the nightmares they had in their sleep are preferable to the reality that they face. Funny thing about sheeple, the Greeks were sold a bill of goods on the whole social and economic thingy and now here they without a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of and all of the screaming and protesting they are doing ain't changing that reality.

So maybe the take-away for you on this is that equality, social and economic also come with responsibilities. That being, there is an expectation that they assume equality in the hardship part of society as opposed to demanding just the upside.
Perhaps it is an economic system that is controlled and stacked against the sheeple by the ruling elite. They never seem to suffer but actually profit from the hardships they create for the people. I really don't think that crash was an accident of bad policy. It was an engineered demolition to force people to demand a one world economy under the auspices of a one world government, or as George Bush Sr. put it, the New World Order. I also think all the police violence against people who object to this obvious consolidation of power and errosion of personal freedoms world wide has escalated. Toronto was just a practice run and every one of the G8/G20 summit protests get more brutal on the part of the ruling elites personal security forces. Call that tin foil nonsense if it allows you to sleep at night but don't go crying fowl when they come to get you.
 

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There is no indication that any party that exists in Canadian parliament would spend money to the same degree that Greece has.

So, let's stop with the Greece WMD argument please.

No one is buying it.
 

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But if you are standing on the Earth and looking south, Europe is on your left.

I would love to see the NDP take the next election, if for no other reason than to watch the conservatives and liberals crap their drawers. I think the general flow of public opinion is swinging more and more toward social and economic justice and equality, no matter how much the right leaners scream and protest against it. The sheeple are waking up from their zombie like stupor.

Ooooooooooooh you mean like back to the 90s when everyone crapped their drawers! :lol:
 

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They were wrong in AB


Good thing.

(just sayin)

There is no indication that any party that exists in Canadian parliament would spend money to the same degree that Greece has.

So, let's stop with the Greece WMD argument please.

No one is buying it.


If they don't have facts, denigration will do.

I can't wait until you are 65 and some punk tells you you are a parasite on the system.


I best not have my cane handy when some punk speaks.

Yep....that's lovely. Like most NDP policies and statements, it is crap.

First of all, Harper et. al. are hardly ignoring the environment, or science. They just don't happen to agree with you, and are unwilling to let climate-change cultists and environmental political activists with a luddite agenda destroy our economy.

And the "contempt of Parliament" was a vote, put forth by opposition parties against a minority government on the very eve of an election call..........an election in which the "condemned" party won a majority.

Obviously, no one with an IQ larger than their hat size takes it at all seriously.

Of course, that means the average NDP voter takes it VERY seriously.



................as FEAR permeates the Con camp. And an erection is yet years away. Pull yourself together. The cons still have time to split the vote and steal another erection. WTF are you all worried about?? Dream about your F35's and how you can involve the country in another war. There's still lots of cannon fodder to kill.......................... Talk about hat sizes. Wave that flag!!

Fine for those of you that already suck off the taxpayers tit. Only problem is where does the money come from when the dippers turn Canada into Greece west?

Since you are speaking as one who already "sucks off", how's it goin for you? If you pull your head out of your ass you will witness a big big world, with both west and east.

Try getting your mind around something other than "employin dummies fer sixteen bucks an hour". You are true genius.

the one thing i really don't like about ndp taking a lead in trend polls is all the spoiled brat name-calling and mud-slinging the pout causes

fear fear fear.
 

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Ooooooooooooh you mean like back to the 90s when everyone crapped their drawers! :lol:
I never noticed. I have made a career of going after all politicians in power. I am not a hypocrite and don't discriminate, because I'll get them all. One of my past incarnations I was a political cartoonist. Once you see through the BS, you see nothing else.
 

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Perhaps it is an economic system that is controlled and stacked against the sheeple by the ruling elite. They never seem to suffer but actually profit from the hardships they create for the people. I really don't think that crash was an accident of bad policy. It was an engineered demolition to force people to demand a one world economy under the auspices of a one world government, or as George Bush Sr. put it, the New World Order. I also think all the police violence against people who object to this obvious consolidation of power and errosion of personal freedoms world wide has escalated. Toronto was just a practice run and every one of the G8/G20 summit protests get more brutal on the part of the ruling elites personal security forces. Call that tin foil nonsense if it allows you to sleep at night but don't go crying fowl when they come to get you.

You need to speak beyond the cliches and excuses on this issue Cliffy... Really, what does it mean that the economic system is controlled and stacked against them? Are you referring to the same system that allows 1/2 of the US population to escape Fed taxes but access what services is provided by the other 1/2?.. Is that the system you're talking about?

As far as police violence at protests are concerned, I see you conveniently leave out the reason why the cops are there in the first place. Sure, you'll don the ole foil hat and holler 'agent provocateur', but in the end, even you know that's a big steaming pile and serves as yet another excuse.

Ya know, the big irony in your previous post about wanting Mulcair to take power just to stick it to the other party supporters is laughable... The biggest irony being that if he did win and lived up to 1/10 of his lunatic plans, it would be people that actually depend on the system will pay the biggest price. Sure, they'll be a couple years of a party, but you'll soon learn that the economic system that you deride so much is also a harsh mistress.... When that day comes, you can wax philosophical about the good ole days when you didn't have to eat generic brand, discount cat food from China.
 

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You can't get more out of something than you put in - too bad both politicians and the electorate can't understand this basic fact of life! :lol:
 

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Ya know, the big irony in your previous post about wanting Mulcair to take power just to stick it to the other party supporters is laughable... The biggest irony being that if he did win and lived up to 1/10 of his lunatic plans, it would be people that actually depend on the system will pay the biggest price. Sure, they'll be a couple years of a party, but you'll soon learn that the economic system that you deride so much is also a harsh mistress.... When that day comes, you can wax philosophical about the good ole days when you didn't have to eat generic brand, discount cat food from China.

What lunatic plans? Your derision is the usual CPC version of platform analysis.