I thought that fish farming was moving inland and getting out of our oceans, at least that is what I heard about BC fish farms. These farms pollute our oceans and contaminate wild stock. Raising fish in a sterile environment and then sticking them in a wild environment is just crazy. They have no immunity to what is out there, kinda like bringing European diseases to the Americas, and we all know how disastrous that was.
Myself I will stay away from Farmed Salmon for a tad.
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And some is beneficial. And some is not. The point is finding a virus in a PCR lab test doesn't mean the fish are sick. It definitely does not mean you will get ill. I'm not wearing a Level 4 biosafety suit at work...
It's called a fecal transplant, and it's needed now because we've used ridiculous amounts of antibiotics, sometimes at sub-clincal doses which is insane, and now there a whole bunch of bacteria that we can't treat with even the most harshest intravenous antibiotic courses.
Comparing antibiotic resistance due to proliferated and widespread abuse of antibiotics doesn't belong in the same discussion as a fish in the ocean carrying a virus that it has evolved with, and a strain of which is practically benign. Though if you want to get down to tacks, the other food you eat like chicken, beef, pork, or dairy, they definitely belong in a discussion about antibiotic resistance. There is very little cross-over between marine bacteria and those on land and in warm blooded animals like those we eat. Whereas there is a great deal of cross-over between the bacteria in terrestrial animals and ourselves.
Hey I'm just giving you the facts. This is my trade afterall.
Vaccines...provide an immune response...
That's a sad state of affairs.
Round here (Rideau system),the average keeper pike used to be 5lb. We threw back everything under, and released everything over, to spawn again.
Now you can fish all season and not catch one over 3lb.
Bass are being decimated, and the prov. govt. in their wisdom, took the size limit off.
Pickerel, as always, few and far between.
Lots of Lake Trout but we are forbidden to catch them through the ice. They collapsed years ago and it took a decade to revive the species for the American tourist to catch in the summer.
Crappie have been seriously threatened.
Lots of Sunfish (for now)
Most frozen fish come from China and I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.
Doesn't leave a whole lot.
Oh, that is good for the pharmaceutical giants, but bad for the fish. Don't you think that fish will eventually develop an immunity to vaccines and anti-biotics the way land animals have? Crazy game of god playing, IMO.
Before I'm off to bed, here's some more food for thought with respect to fish with "no immunity" and antibiotic resistant mitigated fecal transplants. Salmon farming is very young by farming standards. Compare the growth rate of the farmed fish in Norway, who started farming salmon early on, and pork production in Denmark. Denmark is the case study as one of those politically driven prohibitions on the use of antibiotics as a growth promoter (also a resistance promoter...). And still, compare the two industries. The trends are quite clear:
Norwegian salmon farming production and antibiotic use:
Danish pork production and antibiotic use:
What's clear in the aquaculture industry, is that vaccinations have replaced the use of antibiotics, and very quickly. While more conventional and established industries like pork production continue to use more and more antibiotics every year. I'd put my industry standards up against terrestrial meat production anytime.
You are very confused. They develop immunity from the antigens in the vaccines, not to vaccines. That makes about as much sense as saying we will somehow develop immunity to all pathogens. Insane.
Norwegian salmon farming production and antibiotic use:
Danish pork production and antibiotic use:
What's clear in the aquaculture industry, is that vaccinations have replaced the use of antibiotics, and very quickly. While more conventional and established industries like pork production continue to use more and more antibiotics every year. I'd put my industry standards up against terrestrial meat production anytime.
You are very confused. They develop immunity from the antigens in the vaccines, not to vaccines. That makes about as much sense as saying we will somehow develop immunity to all pathogens. Insane.
My profession is shoving shxt up your ***. Dependent upon what you have been treated for is directly related to fecal transplant.:smile:
Trade, trade, you are a profession.
Me I am staying away from salmon - farmed of course. Only a reasonable reaction as science is not always correct- We learn as we progress.
True and when we get the illness we blame the vaccine- Stupidity as it is a dead virus that is injected.
Reasonable to one, maybe not so reasonable to someone else. The infectious salmon anemia virus doesn't bind to our bodies cells. To grow the virus in the lab we use cell lines derived from fish. Viruses are only infective to their hosts, and that is pretty much limited to Atlantic salmon and some trout. There is no chance that the virus will cause anemic conditions in you goober, no fish poop I swear! Unless you have gills...those are the first cells the virus infects :lol:
Why all the precautions. I can understand disinfecting the plant- good luck with that.
It's a reportable disease in Canada, and reportable to the OIE, the World Organization for Animal Health. The Fish Health Regulations changed this year, with CFIA taking more of the role away from DFO. The precautions are needed because even though it's a low pathogenic strain, you can't be cavalier and risk moving disease around to other waters.
We use this stuff at work to disinfect, works fine:
Yeah and I've got a bridge to PEI For Sale anyone interested?
It's cheap and gubmint guaranteed!
OK, OK that's a lie-just like the usual pile of statistical Bee Ess posted by the usual suspect.
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Cliffy-it's slowly happening but the big companies don't like it at all-costs are high and returns slow-fish grow faster in salt and that's a fact.
High end restaurants love closed containment product because they can flog it as 'ethical' 'green' and 'sustainable' but they are a small market the big Salmon ranchers want mass production and low costs-and they want their flunkies posting lies on the net as much as possible too.
It's not problematic in SK. Our commercial fisheries are in the northern boreal where water flows into AB
Yes you just call anything you can't refute lies. It's a pattern that emerged in other threads.
The big salmon ranchers are Alaska, at over 2 billion smolts a year produced in their state hatcheries. Alaskan hatcheries produce more smolts than Norway, Chile, Canada, and the UK combined. That's the dirty secret. Alaskan salmon is only kept sustainable by using aquaculture. But they don't hghight that inconvenient fact when they're bashing salmon aquaculture. Some rivers in Alaska now have the majority of returning salmon originating in the hatchery.
None of this sounds unique to fish farming. Sure, we're not used to fish farming like we are to chicken farming and cattle farming, but do we think that anti-biotic use in farmed animals is the epidemic it is because our farmed animals are healthy? No. They're swimming with skin infections, hoof infections, blood diseases, etc., the same way that these fish are. And if a population of cattle caught something that put other cattle at risk, but not humans, the same precautions would be taken. Slaughter and sell, but make sure the virus doesn't spread to more cattle.