Muslims that take part in fighting overseas, with ISIL, Al Nusra and the rest, who co

gopher

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Canada has numerous treaties in place that can see the perpetrators of a crime returned to the jurisdiction in which they committed (or allegedly committed) a crime.

Any nation can easily make these wannabe GI Joe's think twice about going on a shootem-up vacation if they simply grab them, put them on a plane and ship them back to where they will have to deal with the consequences.

... And yes, I understand that there will be all kinds of lawsuits, but let them fight those suits from Syria or Iraq whilst they answer for their killing sprees in those nations



Exactly. The foreign state would first have to gather any evidence so that probable cause can be established, then it has to submit it to Canada which, in turn, would have to determine that the suspect should be detained and returned to that foreign country for trial. That is very difficult to do especially since these characters wear masks and facial garb when in combat situations. A good lawyer would have an easy time making a case for why someone should not be exiled under those circumstances.
 

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Canada has numerous treaties in place that can see the perpetrators of a crime returned to the jurisdiction in which they committed (or allegedly committed) a crime.

Any nation can easily make these wannabe GI Joe's think twice about going on a shootem-up vacation if they simply grab them, put them on a plane and ship them back to where they will have to deal with the consequences.

... And yes, I understand that there will be all kinds of lawsuits, but let them fight those suits from Syria or Iraq whilst they answer for their killing sprees in those nations

That would be nice.

Unfortunately, the idiots on the SCOC have ruled you can not send anyone back to anyplace where someone might speak rudely to them, no matter what they have done.
 

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Exactly. The foreign state would first have to gather any evidence so that probable cause can be established, then it has to submit it to Canada which, in turn, would have to determine that the suspect should be detained and returned to that foreign country for trial. That is very difficult to do especially since these characters wear masks and facial garb when in combat situations. A good lawyer would have an easy time making a case for why someone should not be exiled under those circumstances.

Selfies. The Millenials can't take enough selfies and are stupid enough to keep them on their gadgets. People are getting their asses busted left right and center in this digital cage world we live in. North Americans are incriminating themselves in everything from smoking weed to paedophilia to pissing in the subway to trashing your neighbourgs flowers. What would make Muzzie militant Millenials any different? Kids ain't bright the world over.
 

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why would they return

I suppose right around the time they realize that the reality does not match the ISIS propaganda videos or their dream of what an Islamic state should look like When they realize that they left a peaceful prosperous country to go live in a hellhole. When the scattered opposition starts to coalesce and push back, and proves just as barberous as ISIS is.



Unfortunately , if they are Canadian citizens we have to let them back in. Also, unfortuantely, extradition to Syria oir Iraq is unlikely to pass the Supreme Court muster. They need to be interrogated and then jailed for a long, long time.

Technically, Canada was not harmed by their actions so that no court there would have the jurisdiction to prosecute. If any crime was committed it was done overseas and their prosecutors would have to gather evidence. How could a Canadian prosecutor do any of that since the crime and evidence are overseas?

In Canada, it is a crime to leave the country for the purposes of engaging in a terrorist activity. That's a much lower burden for teh crown to prove. Also, folowing 9/11 there are laws allowing for pre-emptive detainment for extended periods of time.

That would be nice.

Unfortunately, the idiots on the SCOC have ruled you can not send anyone back to anyplace where someone might speak rudely to them, no matter what they have done.

That's not just the SCOC, that's well held up in internaional law. Stateless citizens are a hassle for everyone.
 

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Selfies. The Millenials can't take enough selfies and are stupid enough to keep them on their gadgets. People are getting their asses busted left right and center in this digital cage world we live in. North Americans are incriminating themselves in everything from smoking weed to paedophilia to pissing in the subway to trashing your neighbourgs flowers. What would make Muzzie militant Millenials any different? Kids ain't bright the world over.


Assuming it is true that some have taken selfies, that only shows their presence there. It does not prove they engaged in illegal activity. Evidence still has to be presented that they committed a crime or where accessories in any way. The burden of proof remains with the prosecution.
 

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Assuming it is true that some have taken selfies, that only shows their presence there. It does not prove they engaged in illegal activity. Evidence still has to be presented that they committed a crime or where accessories in any way. The burden of proof remains with the prosecution.

All you need is to prove association.
 

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So the idea of shooting them is not too much of a stretch.

IF some of these camel fukkers blew up a Christian church in Canada, what would we do.?

Justifying murdering women and children,.........and men because of a difference of religion is just wrong,.
Preaching it is wrong
Stoning women for talking to a stranger is wrong

Putting a contract out on a guy who writes a book is wrong

We in Canada may not be so PC accommodating when the feces hit the fan here. Even if Stevo loses some votes.
 

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The new citizenship act creates another kind of citizen, like a, ya know, second form or level... what's the word? Well anyway, the law allows the federal government to strip this new kind of citizen of citizenship if convicted of treason or terrorism, and provided they have other citizenship.

What SHOULD happen, were there justice in the world, is that they would be arrested, tried immediately for treason, and if found guilty, taken outside, and hanged from the nearest tree.

Maybe not the nearest tree. You're going to have check with the city before you do anything to that tree. Have a city arborist come out, inspect the tree, make sure it's strong enough to support the convicted terrorist. We wouldn't want the branch to snap and the terrorist to hurt himself during execution.
 

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When the scattered opposition starts to coalesce and push back, and proves
just as barberous as ISIS is.

Just noticed this typo. To be clear: barberous is cutting off people's hair. Barbarous is cutting off people's heads. :lol:

The new citizenship act creates another kind of citizen, like a, ya know, second form or level... what's the word? Well anyway, the law allows the federal government to strip this new kind of citizen of citizenship if convicted of treason or terrorism, and provided they have other citizenship.



Maybe not the nearest tree. You're going to have check with the city before you do anything to that tree. Have a city arborist come out, inspect the tree, make sure it's strong enough to support the convicted terrorist. We wouldn't want the branch to snap and the terrorist to hurt himself during execution.

Also, the tree may be a species at risk. You have to think of the environemnt.
 

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What about the ones that go to the Ukraine to fight on one side or the other? Do the ones fightingt for the east get branded as terrorists and the others get medals from NATO?
What about the Jews who have gone to Israel to fight against Gaza (do they really need the help or is it an obligation think which adds to the immorality of it as Gaza is not capable of breaking out like Crimea did. I already know the answer is 'it's different', my point is when you punish one group and reward another then all sense of 'fairness' is out the window and there isn't a UN Law that supports this. If Muslims can form the majority of the population in any Nation then they have the right to vote based on Muslim candidates being preferred. Throw in the UN Human Rights documents and the 'majority' see their living standards rise so the main theme of ISIS is doomed from the start as they want the kind of rule that Muslims ran in Iran when the CIA where the Secret Police.
Afghanistan before the CIA is an example of a civil war where the ones that wanted the UN regulations to become the standard were quite willing to kill the hardliners if they resisted that change.

Muslims aren't the ones that are unwilling to change, it is the banksters that let the West have the power it enjoys rather than it being the backing of any vast majority of public support from any group, ,e it religious or political as a base, sooner or later the Constitution is the guideline that the country operates under. For an oil rich country one like Venezuela who is trying to install a higher living standard to the poorest is getting resistance from the ones who say in public that they support such moves while their deeds done in the shadows shows just the opposite outcome. They are either very bad or they lie and do it more often than not.
 

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You realy have a fixation.....you should see a doctor about...


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That tin foil hat will not help forever....
 

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Maybe not the nearest tree. You're going to have check with the city before you do anything to that tree. Have a city arborist come out, inspect the tree, make sure it's strong enough to support the convicted terrorist. We wouldn't want the branch to snap and the terrorist to hurt himself during execution.

Hmmm....are there nice strong metal lamp posts on Yonge Street???

Just noticed this typo. To be clear: barberous is cutting off people's hair. Barbarous is cutting off people's heads. :lol:



Also, the tree may be a species at risk. You have to think of the environemnt.

That is funny. Both of them. First comment especially....lol
 

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A death sentence followed by execution only creates more problems, more adherents and further radicalization.
Lastly the DP is all about vengeance.
 

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This ASTONISHING PICTURE has just been tweeted by British MP George Galloway; it's astonishing because it exposes US troops posing as ISIS TERRORISTS...So there are obviously factions within the US military and government who are engaged in terrorism; it's not difficult to see now how easily ISIS will enter into America; especially if there are those within her own military and government willing to facilitate the terror!!!
 

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No Troops, No Bases: Turkey Won’t Take Part in War on ISIS -- News from Antiwar.com


No Troops, No Bases: Turkey Won’t Take Part in War on ISIS
Germany Won't Play Role in Airstrikes

by Jason Ditz, September 11, 2014



President Obama has made a big deal about this growing “coalition” of nations involved in his new war on ISIS, but many of the coalition are members in name only, with many unlikely to do anything.

Turkey, which has a long border with ISIS territory, seems to be practically out of the coalition already, saying that not only will they play no role in the combat operations against ISIS, but that they won’t allow the US to use their airbases for the war either.

Turkey’s role was expected to be muted because of the fate of a large number of Turkish hostages held by ISIS, but officials now say that their hands are effectively tied, and that the airbases can only be used for humanitarian flights, not for airstrikes.

Germany’s Foreign Ministry is also ruling out any involvement in combat operations, saying they haven’t been asked to take part in the airstrikes, and that they won’t at any rate.

Britain’s position is somewhat less clear. Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond insisted that the nation would not take part in the strikes on Syria, but the premier’s office insisted that no decision had been made, and that Britain was not ruling out strikes in Syria.





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One would have thought that Turkey more than anyone else would have felt this "threat" and taken action.
 

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Poor poor shiny pony, he just can't help but to stuff his foot in his mouth.

Well, at least he still has his pretty hair.