Mount Poly tailing pond breaches............................

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It's not just the acute toxic effects that are concerning though. Returning spawners will actually turn around and head back downstream when faced with sub-lethal levels of toxic metals. Atlantic salmon in the Miramichi were shown to avoid water when the concentration of copper and zinc from a mine discharge was just 35% of the LD50 concentration. Less than half would reverse and swim back upstream to the best spawning areas after that event. That means they are choosing to spawn in areas less than ideal, which means lowered survival for the next generation. This year's sockeye run is of the 2010 generation, which came from the largest returning generation of sockeye in over 100 years, so it's important that this cycle doesn't get knocked down.

A second consideration is the amount of solids that will settle. If the fish are returning downstream to less than ideal conditions, and some of this heavier material settles in the lower flows downstream, then that is even further pressure on the hatching fry. It will also mean lowered dissolved oxygen in the substrate where the fry seek refuge. By that time the pulse of high pH water will have moved past, and the river will have become more acidic. Fry, also are less hardy than the adults, so the lethal concentrations, and those that begin to cause congenital defects, is much lower.

Not a good fate for fish when stuff like this happens. It's way too early to tell though. Like I said, hope for the best!
 

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State of affairs at the links...........






Local 'State of Emergency' declared after breach sent '10 million cubic metres of water and 4.5 million cubic metres of metals-laden sand out into local waterways, an effluence described by the company as 'very close to drinking water', which may come as a surprise to many .. The tailings pond failure now threatens sockeye salmon ... Joe Alphonse of the Tsihqot'in Tribal Council says "this is devastation .. This year we are expecting over 2 1/2 million salmon to return with this run just entering the Fraser River. This is the worst situation at the worst time possible. The company will be held accountable" .. Imperial Metals Corporation lost approx $1/2 billion in shareholder equity after the disaster became public, yet the full extent of financial loss to the company will not likely be known for quite some time .. The law firm Sutts Strosberg, for instance, says it 'is investigating the circumstances surrounding the company's Aug 4 announcement that its Mount Polley tailings pond was breached'. It is a law firm that reps investors in securities class actions. Developing .. Meanwhile, see some location aerial shots here ..



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...r-breach-in-33-aerial-photos/article19937546/




Spill damage likely permanent: researcher | Vancouver 24 hrs
 

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Depending on your definition of damage. Yes there will be permanent changes and temporary damage but it is highly unlikely there will be permenant damage. What needs to be done right now is devise a way to get spawning salmon above the breach to minimize the loss for the next crop. By next spawning season the fish will be able to go it alone.
 

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Depending on your definition of damage. Yes there will be permanent changes and temporary damage but it is highly unlikely there will be permenant damage. What needs to be done right now is devise a way to get spawning salmon above the breach to minimize the loss for the next crop. By next spawning season the fish will be able to go it alone.

Fish will be fine. They know their way home now. Remember how global warming was getting them lost?

Study confirms link between salmon migration and magnetic field | News & Research Communications | Oregon State University
 

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petros

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They won't get lost but if there is too much turbidity they may not go all the way up and instead turn back and spawn in lower waters which with the expected record run will mean congestion andexcessive egg loss.
The same way a natural mudslide would. At least the record run won't be stuck at sea wondering where the river in their GPS went.

180km shift in their 4 year lives.

I wonder what that does to climate?
 

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The Salish tribes in the area are saying that the salmon down stream are in big trouble. Their skin is peeling off and they have placed a ban on all fishing in the affected areas. This could affect the entire Fraser fishery for years to come.

Drink up!
You go there and drink the water if you are so cock sure.
 

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The Salish tribes in the area are saying that the salmon down stream are in big trouble. Their skin is peeling off and they have placed a ban on all fishing in the affected areas. This could affect the entire Fraser fishery for years to come.


You go there and drink the water if you are so cock sure.
Yup it is already at the coast and peeling the skin of returning salmon .
 

taxslave

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Skin tends to peal off river salmon anyway. Next thing you know some greenie will be claiming it is killing whales off Alaska.
 

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taxslave

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We been fighting a war against the anti everything crowd for about three decades now. Funny how none of them complain about taking our tax dollars.
 

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We been fighting a war against the anti everything crowd for about three decades now. Funny how none of them complain about taking our tax dollars.

Funny how all of them drive cars, expect the lights to turn on when they flip a switch, use electric stoves and shovel back Starbucks coffees out of paper cups at $5 a pop.

What a great service they provide to Gaia

Count cash in my sleep? First all day now at night too?


It's a full time job there bud
 

grumpydigger

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It will now just turn into a big game of damage control and passing the buck.

The tailings pond was obviously a poorly inspected substandardly engineered and pushed beyond its limits.

One employee who was in charge of the pond recommended so many thousands of tons of rock brought in to reinforce quit just last May because this company refused to fix the problem and decided to gamble with the environment at the cost of the people of British Columbia.
 

skookumchuck

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The Salish tribes in the area are saying that the salmon down stream are in big trouble. Their skin is peeling off and they have placed a ban on all fishing in the affected areas. This could affect the entire Fraser fishery for years to come.


You go there and drink the water if you are so cock sure.

Still believe your BS Cliffy? The water quality tested all clear today, it is a lie, right?