Mom of suspected school shooter -- first to die -- was avid gun enthusiast
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Comparing cops to two-bit security guards with gun licences is apples and oranges. You think they'll send them all to Regina for 6 months training, after they complete their criminology programs, just to stand in a school? Get real.
of course, just leave them helpless, let them die without any help, who cares.
sure, because there is other ways to kill them, don't bother protecting them
for ways we can, that doesn't make any sense.
any teacher who would pass a training period to legally have a gun in his room,
would have his past thoroughly investigated, i'm sure they aren't going to toss
a teacher a gun, without thoroughly knowing he/she deserves and can handle it.
the one who went postal was the killer, bye bye to 27 people who could not do anything,
but I guess that makes us feel better?, nope, not me,
You think cops spend six months learning armed self-defense???
LOL!!!!
You can quite effectively teach everything you need to know in two weeks....including range time. In fact, we used to do it in 5 days........but I would be more comfortable with more time on the range..........
When I took the course for armoured car guards years ago it was 3 days.
That is definitely not enough.
Cops are put through some strict testing. Psychological, physical as well as academic. I can't imagine the same level of preparedness would be applied to hallwalkers at a school. So yes I would feel much more at ease with a cop than a half-ready packing heat around kids.
Oh yeah??????????
Would you like this cop protecting you children or grandchildren????
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We've had cops in schools in Regina for ages. We call them "Resource Officers".
Cst. Hank at my high school was a decent guy and helped put a lot of rowdys back on track.
Ahem...
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Jonathan Kay, 2012- The NRA's monstrously stupid plan to put gun-toting guards in every school
LA Times, 2000 - Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools ...
More at PJ Tattler.
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No, I certainly don't feel good about it, I have 7 grandkids in schools, but for the big picture there is not a heck of a lot we can do about it, tragedies happen on every front. I would say the biggest thing we can all do is to train our loved ones to be aware of their surroundings at all times, but you know people have to be able live normal lives in a more or less relaxed fashion. As the old saying goes "Sh*t happens". As a matter of fact I'd say if we have cops and armed guards in the schools more of this sh*t will be happening not less, simply because there are always those who will do it just to prove they can. People keep assuring me that things are no worse now than they were back in our generation.........it's just the media............and most of us got through school without any major incidents, so things being the same I expect they will for the most part continue that way.
Morgan sounds just like the Usual Suspects here.
That has to be the stupidest post in this thread.
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That is not what has been said at all.
What has been put forth is, allowing qualified people to carry them where they are at present, not allowed.
My buddy (And I do mean buddy) Darren, at ValGuard Security in Toronto, is better trained than the majority of Toronto or GTA police officers.
He's what you would call a two-bit security guard.
He is just a security guard, an armed security guard.
He's undergoes mental and physical screening annually. With a check up if he has to draw his sidearm or is involved in an incident.
Darren has had over 6 years training, as a Canadian Trooper as well as 3 years as a Cop in Peel.
Your preconceived stereotypes have flaws.
As per usual, and this is directed towards no one in particular but is just a general observation, we once again have a horrendous tragedy occurring in which far too many people, in this case very small children, were needlessly killed. And instead of focusing on the real culprit, the mental and emotional deficiencies that drive people to these acts, everyone (the media, public officials, the general public) is once again focused on the "tool" that is used to carry out said act.
No wonder this **** keeps happening over and over again.
No wonder this **** keeps happening over and over again.
Woo hoo, 500!
It's not about what they could be using instead, frankly I'm quite happy and willing to do what it takes to keep guns, knives or anything dangerous out of the hands of the mentally ill. But it involves actually dealing with them and their problems, which really are societies problems.
And before this goes off in another tangent, I'm not advocating locking them all up either. By dealing with them I actually mean dealing with them.
That's the point.
And although I agree that semi auto weapons only aid in so doing. We need to address the cause, not the means.
You can ban all the weapons you want, but at the end of the day we haven't addressed the issue.
I find it surprising that so many of the Usual Suspects believe in addressing the cause of so many issue, except when it comes to guns.
Although detention is an option, it is a tricky topic of discussion.
We have to weigh the rights of everyone.
People don't like doing that.
The boy in this case was identified.
I have to ask, because I haven't seen it in the press, how long was the process to have him committed taking? And did that have a bearing on why he was still free and able to commit this heinous crime.
Yep, I wonder how many of these horrendous incidents are practically avoidable! To do so we'd have to identify and track 24/7 every nut case and potential nut case in the country. I just think having every school in the country swarming with armed guards and cops totally unacceptable and mostly ineffective in dealing with the problem.
Oh, I didn't realize that, just thought he was recognized as being a bit of a weirdo.
Yet every time (almost 100% of the time) mass killers are described as someone no one would every expect to do it. So what comes of the grand mental health plan, incarcerate everyone who seems too unlikely to kill? Relying on the wisdom of psychologosts and psychiatrists to weed out future murderers is not going to work. Most family members can't identify these risks let alone strangers whom they have never met before.
Yep, apparently that was the catalyst, his mother was going to have him committed.
Is that really true? Has that been actually tested under some form of statistical accounting?
Seems to me that in this case, the Virginia case and the theater case, there were warning signs, that people ignored.
No on has said anything about future murderers and your predetermined conclusion lacks any sort of basis in fact.
All the more reason to address this from a mental health view point as apposed to a need to ban weapons.