'Mistaken' coalition air strike kills 9 Afghan soldiers

EagleSmack

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Is there really a differance?

You, we and they should not be there.

It's been tried before.

Same result.

History tells a story but no-one wants to know.

I don't think so but some are very quick to point out US failures to hide their own.

Yes we should be there but that is another thread. Oh and yes...I heard we would never beat the Taliban... a few months later they were fleeing the country.

I heard before Desert Storm it would be Vietnam in the dessert... 100 hours later the 4th largest army in the world became the 7th largest army.

In Panama we were told it would be Vietnam... a few days later I was cooling my heels outside the Vatican Embassy waiting for Panama's "Ho Cho Minh" to surrender.
 

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I don't think so but some are very quick to point out US failures to hide their own.

Yes we should be there but that is another thread. Oh and yes...I heard we would never beat the Taliban... a few months later they were fleeing the country.

I heard before Desert Storm it would be Vietnam in the dessert... 100 hours later the 4th largest army in the world became the 7th largest army.

In Panama we were told it would be Vietnam... a few days later I was cooling my heels outside the Vatican Embassy waiting for Panama's "Ho Cho Minh" to surrender.

Too easy...
 

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I heard before Desert Storm it would be Vietnam in the dessert... 100 hours later the 4th largest army in the world became the 7th largest army.

In Panama we were told it would be Vietnam... a few days later I was cooling my heels outside the Vatican Embassy waiting for Panama's "Ho Cho Minh" to surrender.

Yeah, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't mind committing war crimes.
 

EagleSmack

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If your damn bombs don't always go where you want them too, then don't drop the damn things.

And don't forget we Canadians are there mopping up the mess you damn yankees made.

If it wasn't for you damn yanks, we wouldn't have to be there...

Well if you Canadians are so damn good send your own fighter/bombers over there. See how you guys do.

Really...what mess are you mopping up? Tell me how are the Canadians the savoirs of Afghanistan?

Don't forget you Canadians are there because of NATO. That is why you are there. Instead of being so insecure about yourself you should focus on the other nations in NATO who aren't doing a darn thing.

The US, Brits, and Canadians are the only ones fighting yet you focus all your anger on the US. What about the Germans and the rest who aren't doing their share. When the US and other nations were prepared to die by the tens of thousands for Germany during the Cold War are now in NE Afghanistan playing foosball and doing humanitarian missions...i.e staying out of the action.
 

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Well we are there because of two idiot Prime Ministers and our SIGNED obligation to NATO.

You're there because you think that you'll win.

Forgotten what happened to your former arch enemies?

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If your damn bombs don't always go where you want them too, then don't drop the damn things.

And don't forget we Canadians are there mopping up the mess you damn yankees made.

If it wasn't for you damn yanks, we wouldn't have to be there...

WTF are you talking about? Our allies were attacked from Afghanistan.....I believe 24 Canadians were killed in that attack.......

Is this blame the victim? I don't get it....
 

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According to Keith Oberman--MSNBC....now almost two thousand days since victory was proclaimed.

Not.

And not anytime soon.

Idiots.

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Excuse me? That's in Iraq...........that victory was declared somewhat early.

Can you folks NEVER tell the difference?

And you call THEM idiots!!!!
 

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If your damn bombs don't always go where you want them too, then don't drop the damn things.

And don't forget we Canadians are there mopping up the mess you damn yankees made.

If it wasn't for you damn yanks, we wouldn't have to be there...


Well said...

I don't think we should have gone there at all, attack or not, an eye for eye is not always the answer.

I'm sure through intelligence we could have made life difficult for Al Quaeda without occupying a nation and forcing democracy on people.

If they wanted it so bad they would have done it on there own.

This sudden love affair by the right to be socialists is perplexing beyond belief and it got even worse with Iraq.

The U.S. attacked a sovereign nation who had no WMD's or links to 9/11, in fact Saddam killed terrorists now it's a breeding ground for them.

Cons are idiots on this matter and have abandoned what conservatives are all about which is why we call them neo-cons.

It's like Palin and McCain ranting that Obama is a socialist and then support nationalising banks....duh.:roll:

Not sure how you cons live with yourselves, I really don't.
 

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Our allies were attacked from Afghanistan.....

We don't know that. Bin Laden denied he had a role in the attacks (very uncharacteristic of a terrorist) and the evidence against him is... well.. there is no evidence against him.

It seems more probable Saudi Arabia had something to do with it.

But our "allies" ignored all that and invaded Iraq!?!?!

Either our "allies" are morons or we are. The smart money is on us.



Let's go get 'em boys 'e looks guilty eh!
 

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WTF are you talking about? Our allies were attacked from Afghanistan.....I believe 24 Canadians were killed in that attack.......

Is this blame the victim? I don't get it....
WTF are you talking about?? Those killed because of this blunder by the yanks didn't attack our allies....
 

Praxius

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Well like I said...we are the only ones who have fixed wing aircraft to bomb. So we provide aircover and airstrikes because the Canadian Govt is keeping their pilots nice and safe.

Most of the tactics I have read and followed by our troops.... the majority of them do not call in air strikes because the fuc everything up, kill civilians and add more resistence from the people you are trying to save, because you just bombed everything they owned.

Ever wonder why we have a low civilian death count? Because our soldiers put civilians into consideration when they go into battle. In the situations where civilians have been killed by Canadian forces, they have all been investigated, found that all proper procedures were taken, etc etc.... oh and the whole situation is then reported to the public on what actually happened.

What happens when the US does this? Well.... they either bomb the hell out of everything and hope nobody is alive to tell about it..... or they plant weapons and tools on bodies to cover their own asses..... or they say they'll look into it.... and then nothing is ever done or reported back to the public.

Maybe it's none of the public's business..... then again, maybe it's the public, their children and friends who have to face this war and send their loved ones over to kill or be killed and it is directly their business as much as it is the Afghan's business to find out what happened to their civilians...... and when you have your own military covering crap up.... killing without regard for civilian or allied life..... then you have to rethink your role in that war.

Should it continue as it is? Should your troops, friends and family be put at greater needed risk at the hands of your allies who don't seem to give a rats ass?

I say no.

Plus when you drop bombs they don't always go where you want.

Which is why we don't use them in many of our operations.... which is why if you have a civilian populated area you need to take over, YOU DON'T DROP THEM!

Jezuz.... talk about winning the civilian's hearts and minds 101.

So I also think that they would rather blame US pilots for a mistake than risk making one themselves.

The key point here in all of these reports I submit are "US-Led" operations.... and civilians or allies being killed by US troops or pilots.

If I seen any reports about Canadian forces or Canadian-Led operations where Canadian forces called in an air strike which killed allies or civilians, then I'd blame the group who requested the operation...... but this was US.... so US get's the blame for its stupidity.

You can try and pass the buck all you want..... I blame the person who gives the order and the person who pulls the trigger. Since it was the US in both cases in this report, how the hell do you get off trying to pass the buck off to someone else?

You don't.

Canadians have spouted out a lot of US Air Cover when they screw up but guess what...the only air cover your guys have is from US Planes because for some reason Canada is unwilling to send their own troops Canadian planes to protect them.

By all means, give me reports where Canadian troops called in air strikes. I would really like to see how many known operations done by Canadians included air strikes, compared to operations that didn't..... I'd also like to hear how many of those Canadian-requested air strikes ended up killing allies or civilians.

See that's the thing..... I'm supplying information and reports that can be debated.... you're just pulling sh*t out of your ass with nothing to back it up.

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Oh yeah.... and maybe the reason why we maybe unwilling to send in our own air strikes and aircraft is because we know the consequences when you put those you're supposed to protect at risk, so we don't. While since US troops seem to have poorer training and ability to assess a situation, let alone get put into any real risk, they'd much rather save their own troops to lessen the death counts back home, and call in air strikes at the risk of unknown afghans that you guys couldn't give a rats ass about.... simply because it's easier.

^ The problem with that is sure, you may save more troops from being wounded or killed, but you end up pissing more afghans off due to their lost homes, family and friends, and that then increases the "Enemy's" ranks and their cause..... more of them join up out of revenge for your disregard.... then the battle goes on for even longer and you end up risking even more troops in the long run.

Good job.
 
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Praxius

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I don't think so but some are very quick to point out US failures to hide their own.

By all means, put your money where your mouth is or STFU. Supply links and reports about all the horrible things we and other allies are doing over there. You'll notice they are all open in investigation and the reasons for those situations are given...... but when it comes to the US and their screwups, it's always "We'll look into it." and then they never do. And when you rack up the amount of these situations compared to all of the other NATO allies combined, the US is still head an shoulders above the crowd with your amount of disregard for human life.

"Oh well that's because we have more troops and statistics state that we'd have more chance of this happening.... blah blah blah"

Yeah I heard it all before and it's no excuse. Accept some god damn responsibility for once in your guys' life.

Oh and that key part you said at the end..... "to hide their own" ~ Guess what? We're not the ones hiding our actions.... you guys are.

Yes we should be there but that is another thread. Oh and yes...I heard we would never beat the Taliban... a few months later they were fleeing the country.

And of course now they're back and stronger then before..... just because I swat my hand at a cloud of hornets, kill a bunch and they all flee out from cloud formation, doesn't mean they're beaten and won't come back to sting the living shat out of me.

I heard before Desert Storm it would be Vietnam in the dessert... 100 hours later the 4th largest army in the world became the 7th largest army.

And if you guys continued on with the attack and took over Iraq as many wanted to do..... you'd have what we have today.... insurgency and instability. The thing was back then, it seemed you guys knew when to stop and listen to international law and such. You don't now.

That was then, this is now..... you guys are fk'ing up big time.

In Panama we were told it would be Vietnam... a few days later I was cooling my heels outside the Vatican Embassy waiting for Panama's "Ho Cho Minh" to surrender.

Once again... that was then, this is now...... this isn't a 100 hours later or a few days later.... this is a few years later.... hitting on almost a decade.

It's not the same situation and you can't continue thinking it's the same situation and that it'll all work out eventually..... get a plan or get out.
 

Praxius

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Well if you Canadians are so damn good send your own fighter/bombers over there. See how you guys do.

Really...what mess are you mopping up? Tell me how are the Canadians the savoirs of Afghanistan?

Don't forget you Canadians are there because of NATO. That is why you are there. Instead of being so insecure about yourself you should focus on the other nations in NATO who aren't doing a darn thing.

The US, Brits, and Canadians are the only ones fighting yet you focus all your anger on the US. What about the Germans and the rest who aren't doing their share. When the US and other nations were prepared to die by the tens of thousands for Germany during the Cold War are now in NE Afghanistan playing foosball and doing humanitarian missions...i.e staying out of the action.

I have a bigger issue with those who kill their own allies and the civilians they're supposed to protect then I do with those who arn't getting involved as much as one would want.

And maybe because they're staying out of the action because action shouldn't even be there in the first place.... something perhaps we should be doing as well..... then again, we're starting our pullout in 2011, so that'll have to do for now.