Michael Moore: I Was Taught Snipers Were "Cowards"

darkbeaver

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The celebrity mouths are playing good stooge bad stooge. It had a very good opening weekend I guess. It must be a good movie. I got to get tickets. Good for Krint Eastwood. My favourite Clint Eastwood line from The Outlaw Josey Wales, sssppppllluuuuurrrtttttt! How's it work on stains?


ooops sorry Loc.

sniviling to Loc! you little snitch
hahahahahahahahahaha And you used your pet name for him, Loc.
 

coldstream

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I haven't seen the Clint Eastwood's film, which i've heard is very good.

But it might fit into a category that has been brought up by several social commentators in recent years as to the 'idolization' of the soldier. At a time when fewer and fewer people in the West have had military service, the soldier has become revered icon of perfection, honour, bravery.. heroes.

In fact a much healthier view of them existed in the immediate aftermath of WW2 (when virtually every able bodied young man was in the miltary)... as young men doing their duty, and not confined by stereotypes of a cartoonish 'superhero' beyond critical evaluation.. but as an integral and representative part of the society they fought for.

The commentators i've heard state this has led directly to the misbegotten adventures of the U.S. military in recent years, fighting endless, futile guerilla wars before retreating, leaving the battleground in the same condition as they entered it.

It's an opinion that is increasingly shared by military leaders, who find themselves fighting wars that are undefined as to objectives, unlimited in scale and duration except by that of budget restrictions, and without clear ethical parameters on their conduct. All of those are defined by an incompetent political class pandering to and inflaming the fears of the voting public.

This is one that has the gist. There was one on PBS Newshour last week but i couldn't find it.

The Peril of Idolizing Our MilitaryÂ*|Â*William Astore
 
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taxslave

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See unlike you I realize we all benefit from being on top, and I enjoy those benefits.

You and you're feminist bleeding harts have no idea. Clueless. Oblivious of how the real world works.

Actually cliffy enjoys all the benefits without the distraction of having to work for them. That is why the rest of us pay so much in taxes.
 

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Jesus, Coldstream, I thought it was "Blessed are the peacemakers..."

Snipers are soldiers and perform a valuable role.
The Germans learned that from Russian snipers.
Top 10 Snipers in History - Listverse

Carlos Hathcock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hathcock only once removed the white feather from his bush hat while deployed in Vietnam.[17] During a volunteer mission days before the end of his first deployment, he crawled over 1,500 yards of field to shoot a high-ranking NVA officer.[18] He was not informed of the details of the mission until he accepted it.[14] This effort took four days and three nights, without sleep, of constant inch-by-inch crawling.[18] Hathcock said he was almost stepped on as he lay camouflaged with grass and vegetation in a meadow shortly after sunset.[2] At one point he was nearly bitten by a bamboo viper but had the presence of mind to avoid moving and giving up his position.[18] As the officer exited his encampment, Hathcock fired a single shot that struck the officer in the chest, killing him.[18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][9][28]

After the arduous mission of killing the officer, Hathcock returned to the United States in 1967.[14][18] However, he missed the Marine Corps and returned to Vietnam in 1969, where he took command of a platoon of snipers.[10]
 

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Actually cliffy enjoys all the benefits without the distraction of having to work for them. That is why the rest of us pay so much in taxes.

So he's their little boy toy.
That's probably the only way he could ever get layed.

Out of pity. And being a good boy.
 

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Saw the movie. Wasnt that great. Eastwood has definitely done better, even as a director. War movie-wise Letters from Iwo Jima was much better.
 

darkbeaver

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Actually cliffy enjoys all the benefits without the distraction of having to work for them. That is why the rest of us pay so much in taxes.

But that is your job tax payer. If you had gone to school you would know your place, cliffy don't pay taxes cuz he's made it bitch. Me either, well a bit when they threaten me, but not before and never all. You will be paying for my funeral.


Being a good soldier in a just war is not inconsistent with being a Christian.. unless you are a Quaker, i guess.

Just war. Just a minute. Here's the justification. A detailed report written two years ago. Cost ten million, returns look good though. Not bad for a couple of weeks disruption. All war is error.
 

Locutus

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ooops sorry Loc.

hey, I always make up some weird-assed goofy name for threads that could be otherwise be easily condensed and summarized so people knew what they were opening beforehand. happens all the time. and it's not a competition. (unless your name is mentally flossed).
 

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. . .and it's not a competition. (unless your name is . . . . ).
Not one to be pointing fingers but you might want to reference the beginning of the exchange, . . . just sayin, . . . if Pinocchio is behind you and you suddenly jump for no apparent reason . . .
 

Cannuck

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what a bunch of dumb feminist bleeding harts we have become.

Without soldiers to defend our rights to be dumb feminist bleeding harts, dumb feminist bleeding harts would not even exist.

Our country can exists because we have the military strength to repelle & counter attack.

Blah, blah, blah...it doesn't really refute what mikey has said now does it? In this particular instance, I agree with Mikey. That doesn't mean sniping isn't an effective tool. Of course, Moore didn't actually comment on that aspect of it.
 

MHz

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Dryguched is a term only found at sniper school. Should I expand on that, it would be the first time that was ever needed for what's it's worth.
 

taxslave

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The alternative to snipers if being a soon to be dead fool by rushing out into a hail of oncoming bullets.

Coward is the guy that joins the armed forces for the money and free education and then jams out when the time comes to go into a hot zone.
 

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Blah, blah, blah...it doesn't really refute what mikey has said now does it? In this particular instance, I agree with Mikey. That doesn't mean sniping isn't an effective tool. Of course, Moore didn't actually comment on that aspect of it.

You agree with Mikey because neither you nor he have a clue what you are talking about.

Especially in World War Two, from where the "coward" accusation originated, the life span of a sniper in combat was not good. The problem was that snipers were so effective that they attracted counter-measures aimed specifically at them, which could (and often did) include being hunted by enemy snipers, and attracting machine gun, artillery, tank and mortar fire. All intended for one guy.

Snipers are not, were not cowards.

I suggest you read Lone Survivor and Marine Sniper, along with American Sniper.

BTW, Canadians wrote the book on sniping, and taught the USMC how it was done back in the day of Carlos Hathcock.
 

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Re: Seth Rogen Shoots Down American Sniper

1/19/15 Went to the movie theater in Capitola and watched American Sniper directed by Clint Eastwood based on the autobiography of Chris Kyle. The movie gave me much to consider. While the story seems simple, the truth is that there is layer after layer of moral issues placed upon each other to create a series of contradictions in the life of the protaganist, his family, his unit, the insurgency in Iraq, in America, and in Iraq. In this sense the movie operated just like a medieval passion play.

We see a gifted young idealist deeply affected by the events of 9/11. We see a man torn by his duty to his comrades and his duty to his family. We see a tormented soul finally finding release and redemption. All within the context of a deeply unpopular war which the nation as a whole simply ignores. Brilliant direction, acting, screenplay and cinematography.

BS! The US military is and has always been the aggressor and/or provocateur of every conflict they have engaged in since WW11. There is no defending of anything going on. You silly conservative types, I fart in your general direction.

The US wasn't the aggressor in the Korean War. That was was triggered by the DPRK's invasion of the ROK in June of 1950.