Memories of Hanoi Jane

[YukonJack]

What freedoms did you fight to defend? Show me one war in the past 60 years that had anything to do with protecting freedoms. They have all been about exploitation. And you are a sick puppy for even wishing that sort of fate on anybody.

The VietNam war was fought to stop the spread of Communism. Of course, in your world Communism is the ideal system where everybody has equal right to be subservient to the government, all in the name of equality.

If I did enough search, I could find you wishing somebody else DEAD, which is just slightly worse.

 

[Cliffy]

The VietNam war was fought to stop the spread of Communism. Of course, in your world Communism is the ideal system where everybody has equal right to be subservient to the government, all in the name of equality.

If I did enough search, I could find you wishing somebody else DEAD, which is just slightly worse.

Once again, I am an anarchist and have no use for any type of government except the community.

Vietnam was not about stopping the spread of communism. It was about protecting US corporate interests.

 

[YukonJack]

Once again, I am an anarchist and have no use for any type of government except the community.

Vietnam was not about stopping the spread of communism. It was about protecting US corporate interests.

Does that mean that you have no use for any of the services provided by government?

The spread of Communism always threatened the free world, part of which the United States is.

You could not have a prosperous middle class if the corporate interests were not protected.

Of course, one that lives in the bush could not care less about that.

 

[Corduroy]

It's true that the United States fought the Cold War to stop the spread of Communism, but not to promote their own system of government but to secure their political and economic control of the world. Fighting Communism didn't represent fighting for freedom and democracy, it meant fighting against Soviet and indigenous attempts to wrestle global power from the West. The result was not freer nations but in many cases the same oppression and exploitation under another name.

The American-backed regime in Vietnam was a dictatorship that refused to allow elections because it knew the people of Vietnam supported the communists over them. They were oppressive and murderous. And the same can be said of many more Cold War allies of the United States: oppressive and exploitative dictatorships, that subverted the democratic will of their people and slaughtered dissidents in the thousands.

 

[coldstream]

The only picture that comes to my mind of Jane Fonda, was the one of her topless, looking vulnerably into the camera, that hung over my bunk in residence, first year of college.

All the other images from the Vietnam period of whomever are probably best left tucked in the more inaccessable outregions of memory. Most of us would probably be reluctant of be confronted with what we did and how we looked at that time.. at least in public.

 

[earth_as_one]

Does that mean that you have no use for any of the services provided by government?

The spread of Communism always threatened the free world, part of which the United States is.

You could not have a prosperous middle class if the corporate interests were not protected.

Of course, one that lives in the bush could not care less about that.

This moronic post proves that watching FoxNews isn't a substitute for a proper education.

FYI: When a government provides a service, that's socialism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism where all services come from the government.

Examples of social services provided by Canadian governments (federal, provinical and/or municipal) include:

Public Education system
Highways and roads
Medicare, hospitals and ambulances
Canada Pension Plan and disability pensions
Employment insurance
Legal Aid and the entire criminal justice system
Police
Military
Low income support and welfare
Public housing
etc.....

Cutting these government social services and/or privatizing them, would be capitalism.

 

[YukonJack]

This moronic post proves that watching FoxNews isn't a substitute for a proper education.

FYI: When a government provides a service, that's socialism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism where all services come from the government.

Examples of social services provided by Canadian governments (federal, provinical and/or municipal) include:

Public Education system
Highways and roads
Medicare, hospitals and ambulances
Canada Pension Plan and disability pensions
Employment insurance
Legal Aid and the entire criminal justice system
Police
Military
Low income support and welfare
Public housing
etc.....

Cutting these government social services and/or privatizing them, would be capitalism.

I will be much nicer than you and will not call your diatribe 'moronic'.

I had no problem with your list (Heaven knows, I pay plenty for them, even as a retired person, with my confiscatory taxes).

Possible exceptions:

Our public education system is more like socialist indoctrination system.
Until I have a road from Halifax to Vancouver with no traffic light, our road system sucks.
Legal aid and criminal justice system coddles perps and disses victims. From beginning to end.

And then, you got to 'Low income support and welfare' and 'Public Housing'.

I would hate to think what your 'etc....' might be.

 

[ironsides]

Once again, I am an anarchist and have no use for any type of government except the community.

Vietnam was not about stopping the spread of communism. It was about protecting US corporate interests.

Just what corporate interests did the U.S. have in Vietnam? (in that era stopping the spread of communism was our goal). Ngo Dinh Diem was a dictator no question about it, but he was our dictator. It was a tit for tat war, especially at the beginning. North Vietnam formed and armed the Viet Cong to out the Diem regime, the U.S. then started supplying the South Vietnam military with more and more modern equipment. The whole thing spiraled out of control year after year till the American people pretty much revolted and bought the war to a end. That is the main reason why we are good friends with Vietnam today. (I'll let you guys work that last statement out).

This moronic post proves that watching FoxNews isn't a substitute for a proper education.

FYI: When a government provides a service, that's socialism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism where all services come from the government.

Examples of social services provided by Canadian governments (federal, provinical and/or municipal) include:

Public Education system
Highways and roads
Medicare, hospitals and ambulances
Canada Pension Plan and disability pensions
Employment insurance
Legal Aid and the entire criminal justice system
Police
Military
Low income support and welfare
Public housing
etc.....

Cutting these government social services and/or privatizing them, would be capitalism.

You are not a socialist state, all those social services you provide your people we also provide. Neither of us are socialist states no matter how you word it. We are run by big industry and major corporations. Not state run social programs. You got it, we are capitalists, and that is how we support those programs.

 

[Cliffy]

You might try reading this to learn how the US created the war and why.
The American involvement in Vietnam

 

[petros]

You need to look back to 1945 before there even was a Cold War to fully understand what went on in Vietnam.

 

[Kreskin]

This moronic post proves that watching FoxNews isn't a substitute for a proper education.

FYI: When a government provides a service, that's socialism. Communism is an extreme form of socialism where all services come from the government.

Examples of social services provided by Canadian governments (federal, provinical and/or municipal) include:

Public Education system
Highways and roads
Medicare, hospitals and ambulances
Canada Pension Plan and disability pensions
Employment insurance
Legal Aid and the entire criminal justice system
Police
Military
Low income support and welfare
Public housing
etc.....

Cutting these government social services and/or privatizing them, would be capitalism.

Most of that stuff is privatized to a reasonable extent. All doctors are privatized. They run their own shops, write off expenses, put earnings into limited companies, and choose when to declare dividends etc.

The RCMP is a rent-a-cop system. No community has to have it, it is contracted like a private company.

CPP is like a big mutual fund. You only get paid if you personally invest in it, like any other income-based investment.

Employment insurance is insurance.

Private contractors work on roads and highways. Government doesn't run it's own departments because it likes to. When services can be contracted out cheaper they do.

 

[Colpy]

You might try reading this to learn how the US created the war and why.
The American involvement in Vietnam

Good post Cliffy, and accurate, if somewhat one-sided......until it got to Kerry. I really don't care what Kerry thought. So I stopped there.

There is little doubt that Ho was a friend to the USA during and after WWII.....and so enthusiastic about America that he copied their founding documents for his own.

But America wanted a calm, happy Europe, and so when faced with what they saw as a choice between Ho and France.....they choose wrongly. And proceeded wrongly for the next 30 years.

Which does not change one iota the fact that Jane was traitorous scum, deserving of very harsh punishment.

 

[The Old Medic]

Jane Fonda should have been tried for treason. I would not pay a penny to see her perform in anything. I lost too many buddies in Nam, and i treated way too many guys wounded there. That bitch should have been shot a long time ago.

 

[gerryh]

The VietNam war was fought to stop the spread of Communism. Of course, in your world Communism is the ideal system where everybody has equal right to be subservient to the government, all in the name of equality.

If I did enough search, I could find you wishing somebody else DEAD, which is just slightly worse.

ROFLMFAO, to stop the spread of communism eh. Americans lost that one, don't remember the world being over run by communism afterwards.

 

[YukonJack]

ROFLMFAO, to stop the spread of communism eh. Americans lost that one, don't remember the world being over run by communism afterwards.

VietNam was, and so was Cambodia. Pol Pot and 'killing fields' ring a bell?

 

[gerryh]

VietNam was, and so was Cambodia. Pol Pot and 'killing fields' ring a bell?

and what did the americans have to do with Pol Pot. They didn't stop him, and again I say, the world was not over run by communism when the Vietnam war was lost.

 

[earth_as_one]

I will be much nicer than you and will not call your diatribe 'moronic'.

I had no problem with your list (Heaven knows, I pay plenty for them, even as a retired person, with my confiscatory taxes).

Possible exceptions:

Our public education system is more like socialist indoctrination system.
Until I have a road from Halifax to Vancouver with no traffic light, our road system sucks.
Legal aid and criminal justice system coddles perps and disses victims. From beginning to end.

And then, you got to 'Low income support and welfare' and 'Public Housing'.

I would hate to think what your 'etc....' might be.

I apologize. My comment was insulting. But your post indicates that you don't know much about socialism and communism.

Just what corporate interests did the U.S. have in Vietnam? (in that era stopping the spread of communism was our goal). Ngo Dinh Diem was a dictator no question about it, but he was our dictator. It was a tit for tat war, especially at the beginning. North Vietnam formed and armed the Viet Cong to out the Diem regime, the U.S. then started supplying the South Vietnam military with more and more modern equipment. The whole thing spiraled out of control year after year till the American people pretty much revolted and bought the war to a end. That is the main reason why we are good friends with Vietnam today. (I'll let you guys work that last statement out).



You are not a socialist state, all those social services you provide your people we also provide. Neither of us are socialist states no matter how you word it. We are run by big industry and major corporations. Not state run social programs. You got it, we are capitalists, and that is how we support those programs.

The US has the military might to impose its will on others, but that doesn't make those actions just or fair. 9/11 is an example of how imposing your dictators and tyrants on others tends to make people angry and resentful.

A private military for the benefit of an individual or corporation is a form of capitalism. A national military for the benefit of "society" is a form socialism.

I agree that large corporations and wealthy powerful people control both Canada and the US. The problem is that without sufficient regulation, the average person gets screwed by poor wages, working conditions, pollution.... The average person should have a problem with getting screwed, but somehow we've become convinced that reducing the amount of taxes paid by wealthy people benefits everyone, when it only benefits the wealthy individuals.

Hasn't anyone else noticed that as the wealthy people who control large corporations and government get wealthier, the average person is getting poorer?

The amount of overall wealth has actually increased, but its become increasingly concentrated in the hands of fewer people. As this trend continues, eventually people will realize that they have nothing to loose in the current system, since the wealthy own everything.

 

[Corduroy]

Jane Fonda should have been tried for treason. I would not pay a penny to see her perform in anything. I lost too many buddies in Nam, and i treated way too many guys wounded there. That bitch should have been shot a long time ago.

Not a lot of people responsible for your buddies dying in Vietnam are still alive. But you can still go after McNamara and Kissinger. They did a lot more to get your friends killed than Jane Fonda ever did.

VietNam was, and so was Cambodia. Pol Pot and 'killing fields' ring a bell?

and what did the americans have to do with Pol Pot. They didn't stop him

Vietnam stopped him.

 

[gerryh]

Vietnam stopped him.

I prefer to have jackie boy dig a large hole before burying him

 

[lone wolf]

Wasn't Hanoi Hilton mostly aircrew - Air Force - officers - commissioned (and most likely NOT draftees)