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Memories of Hanoi Jane
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I'm sorry Gerry... but where did I say that to you?
And I am sure they are carrying a whole bunch of products that say "Made in Vietnam". Vietnam Vets don't seem to care these days and they are probably a big part of US tourists that go there.
The laugh and right is for your dancing answer. It's what I expect from a former soldier. It's what I get from Bear and RCS. I wouldn't expect anything else from you.
A war is not the soldiers fault, they were just following orders, it wasn't the publics fault, they didn't all vote for those in power. It wasn't the politicians fault, they were just doing what the electorate wanted them to do, and based their decisions on the best possible information they had at the time.
In other words, nothing is ever anybody's fault.
Correction... former Marine.
A war is not a soldier's (sailor, Marine, etc) fault. He goes where he is told.
It IS a nations "fault" if they elect a government that does screwed up things domestically and internationally.
So again... where did I say that to you, or would you like to continue your dance?
Yeah... you might want to sleep on that tonight.
In most cases it is civilians who start and direct the object of the war. Two soldiers standing out in a cold field have nothing against each other and nothing to do till the civilian direct the government what they want. Look who starts wars, groups of old men who start the war and leave the fighting fot thr younger lads.
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Most countries that we are at war wit treat POW's horribly. Yet we can't even keep them a at wake for a long period.
Horrifying tales of torture, execution in North Korea - smh.com.auhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/world/asia/28seoul.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/world/asia/28seoul.html
N. Korea Prison Torture Described - NYTimes.comhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/world/asia/28seoul.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/world/asia/28seoul.html
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As you know, Gh likes to bag on the States, a lot. In so doing he lumps every American in one big pot. RCS and I have tried to explain that not all Americans are the same, nor do they all follow lock step with the gov'ts policies.Correction... former Marine.
A war is not a soldier's (sailor, Marine, etc) fault. He goes where he is told.
It IS a nations "fault" if they elect a government that does screwed up things domestically and internationally.
So again... where did I say that to you, or would you like to continue your dance?
Yeah... you might want to sleep on that tonight.
He's now trying to twist that, into something that has never been said.
Correction... former Marine.
A war is not a soldier's (sailor, Marine, etc) fault. He goes where he is told.
It IS a nations "fault" if they elect a government that does screwed up things domestically and internationally.
So again... where did I say that to you, or would you like to continue your dance?
Yeah... you might want to sleep on that tonight.
Now, I have no intention of digging through the last 4 or 5 years, at least, of posts concerning america and the Iraq war and the Vietnamese war, to point out ALL the instances where I have been told that the american people were not responsible for those wars or what happened there. This flies in the face of what you are saying now.
Considering you have not been around that much this last year, I will let this slide. I have toned down my "rhetoric" considerably concerning the u.s. as of late.
Your finally statement does not follow reality, as I have pointed out to both you and RCS. The republicans enjoyed a significant increase in the first mid terms after Bush's initial election and then Bush was elected to a second term after his government went into Iraq, obviously the american people were more than happy with the direction their politicians were taking them.
Cool. I'm glad to here that.
I think the general populace was still hurting from 9/11. Not to mention the faulty intel from Germany on WMD in Iraq.
My point as always, is that lumping the whole of the US into one big pile is erroneous.
Yes, when the US went into Veitnam they had marginal public support. But as the media war went on. That support dwindled.
Unfortunately, once war is started, you just can't turn it off, because the populace changes its mind.
I don't buy the "faulty intel" excuse at all, and considering Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 and was one of the few secular states in that region.......................9/11 excuse is a non starter.
Hmmmm...... seems like a pretty good argument against war.
I agree, which is why the US should have stayed out of Iraq. But those are just our opinions. Mines based on the fact that, hind sight is 20/20 and I know the Saddam had no real ties to Al Qaeda, and the WMD, was someones fairytale. Easily swallowed by a bruised nation.
For you maybe. But it was very real for Americans.
To be honest, I can think of a litany of reasons to not go to war. Yet only one to go to war.
I know what information I was getting from different news sources on the build up towards the Iraqi invasion. No where did I hear or see hard convincing evidence. The american people, I assume, would have the same access to the same information I had. But then again, I was told, at that time, I was a dupe for the tinfoil hatters, a traitor to my nation and western values. An apologist. A coward.
But you weren't the target. So I would imagine you'd have a different perspective. Sometimes when emotions are running high, people don't make the best decisions.
Not by me.
Perhaps you have been told that... but it wasn't by me. I know MANY of the US Liberals that have said it is not the US civillian populations fault with regards to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan during the Bush years. US Liberals and the far left here always said...
"He's not my president."
... when there is a Republican in office.
What I said indeed flies in the face of what you falsely accused me of saying.
Our elected government are representatives of the people who put them in office. I'm not one of those immature people that would say Bush is not my President then or Obama is not my President now. Just like my rock solid Massachusetts Democrat Liberal State Government, chock full of corruption, nepotism, who do nothing but raise taxes and pass restrictive laws because there are no checks and balances. I don't vote for them, but they are surely my elected reps and the Governor is my governor.
We get what we deserve for good or bad.
I was under the impression that pretty much anyone who was capable of thought understood at the time that the WMD and Al Qaeda stories were utter BS, and that the reason the US went to Iraq was to get rid of Saddam, under whatever pretence they could flog on the world stage.
Well, there are those that are saying that the american public was duped by their administration. There are those that say that the american administration was duped by their intelligence organizations. It's called pass the buck.