Marijuana legalization bill

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
16,649
998
113
76
Eagle Creek
I agree with you on that point, but then we'll spend it all and then some on lung cancer treatment and all kinds of other things.


You appear to have this fixation on the smoking part of using marijuana which is one of the least pleasurable, IMO, ways of getting high especially when there are so many other and some very yummy ways of partaking.
 

White_Unifier

Senate Member
Feb 21, 2017
7,300
2
36
You appear to have this fixation on the smoking part of using marijuana which is one of the least pleasurable, IMO, ways of getting high especially when there are so many other and some very yummy ways of partaking.

I guess it comes down to a matter of choice. An eater doesn't force his cannabis onto others. A smoker imposes it on everyone.
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
It'll make more money legalizing it than trying to continue busting people for simple possession.

Yeah, I don't think there's any way around it. No use having laws that can't be enforced and with so much serious crime these days it makes absolutely no sense to be busting pot smokers. Back about 1967 possession of one joint would put you in the slammer for 6 months. What a waste of taxpayers money that little charade was!
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
I agree with you on that point, but then we'll spend it all and then some on lung cancer treatment and all kinds of other things.
There has never been a case of lung cancer from pot smoking, in fact, pot fights cancer, although smoking it is least effective way to use pot.
 

Danbones

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 23, 2015
24,505
2,198
113
It is a good thing, JLM. Putting people in jail for smoking a joint was stupid, costly and unnecessary from the get go. The police can now concentrate their stretched resources on the opioid problem - something that is a much bigger threat than pot ever was or ever will be considering the ever increasing rate of deaths from the former.

Yes some doctors need to be in jail as do the regulatory agencies that allowed this profitable epidemic to be created.

CDC Ignored Warning About Opioid Guidelines

A consulting company hired by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned the agency last year that many doctors had stopped prescribing opioid pain medication and that chronic pain patients felt “slighted and shamed” by the CDC’s opioid guidelines.

“Some doctors are following these guidelines as strict law rather than recommendation, and these physicians have completely stopped prescribing opioids,” PRR warned in a report to CDC in August 2016, five months after the CDC released its guidelines.

“Pain patients who have relied on these drugs for years are now left with little to no pain management options. Chronic pain is already stigmatized. Now chronic pain patients face the stigma of addiction, even when they are using opioids responsibly for pain management.”
https://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2017/9/5/cdc-ignored-warnings-about-opioid-guidelines

Prescription opioids fail rigorous new test for chronic pain
https://www.statnews.com/2018/03/06/prescription-opioids-chronic-pain/

The CDC Opioid Guidelines Violate Standards Of Science Research
https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/03/25/cdc-opioid-guidelines-violate-standards-science-research-11050

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has had historical credibility with the medical community, generally making judicious use of evidence for public health benefit. That is why it is disconcerting to read its recommendations [1] on opioids for chronic pain and accompanying descriptions in the media. With these new recommendations concerning the use of opioids, the CDC has taken available data and developed a narrative that H.L. Mencken would generally have described as “neat, plausible, and wrong.” [2]

The narrative is as follows: People in chronic, severe pain are readily provided unproven opioids in ever-increasing doses, get easily addicted and die of overdose either from the opioids prescribed to them or from a switch to lethal heroin.

Neat? Yes. Plausible? Yes. Wrong? Unfortunately, yes.

Patients with chronic, severe pain in 2016 have often tried available first-line options of physical therapy, behavioral treatment, NSAIDs, acetaminophen, anticonvulsants, tricyclic antidepressants, etc. prior to beginning an opioid medication. Indeed, the general outcome for many patients in pain is ever-increasing hardship in finding skilled prescribers who are willing to provide such treatment. [3–6]
https://medium.com/@stmartin/neat-p...endations-for-chronic-opioid-use-5c9d9d319f71

...and yet, on the other hand... pills are as good as money on the streets around here, and many old folks supplement their income by getting these prescriptions and the selling the pills to dealers, who supplement their income by selling to addicts who can't keep their spiralling DOCTOR initiated PILL addictions under control.

Initially the guidelines were based on Hospital staff controlled opiate use, NOT patient controlled opiate use, which is pretty much guaranteed to accelerate out of hand. THAT is what cause the billion dollar opiate epidemic.


Pharmaceutical Founder Arrested In Alleged Nationwide Opioid Scheme

On the same day President Trump declared the opioid epidemic a public health emergency, the co-founder of a prominent opioid medication manufacturer has been arrested on fraud and racketeering charges. John Kapoor, former CEO of Insys Therapeutics, has been charged with conspiring to push the company's signature drug for unacceptable uses through a series of bribes and kickbacks.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...-arrested-in-alleged-nationwide-opioid-scheme
 
Last edited:

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
28,553
8,150
113
B.C.
It is a good thing, JLM. Putting people in jail for smoking a joint was stupid, costly and unnecessary from the get go. The police can now concentrate their stretched resources on the opioid problem - something that is a much bigger threat than pot ever was or ever will be considering the ever increasing rate of deaths from the former.
Yes but they are rolling out new impaired driving rules which are going to fill the courts and create a lot more people who are ineligible to travel .
 

Torch light

House Member
Dec 4, 2017
3,584
170
63
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Evidently, it is a very bad thing.

How can they legalize the drug that causes abnormal psychological reaction and leads to addiction?

It is worse than the alcohol, which is forbidden in both the Torah (the Old Testament) and the Quran.

Certainly, those who drink alcohol and don't mind .. may not object to this cannabis legalization.

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#The_Drinking_of_Wine_
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#The_Drinking_of_Wine_

Such forbidding includes alcohol and every drug causing drunkenness and addiction.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC



Toronto the day they legalize pot
 

JLM

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 27, 2008
75,301
548
113
Vernon, B.C.
It is a good thing, JLM. Putting people in jail for smoking a joint was stupid, costly and unnecessary from the get go. The police can now concentrate their stretched resources on the opioid problem - something that is a much bigger threat than pot ever was or ever will be considering the ever increasing rate of deaths from the former.

I fully agree with that aspect, Mowich as I recently stated in another post. Hopefully it will all work out and no one will be hurt. I'm mostly concerned about it affecting those whose brains are still in the formative stage. I question throwing it wide open to 19 year olds, although I admit it may be the only way to make them responsible.
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
28,553
8,150
113
B.C.
I fully agree with that aspect, Mowich as I recently stated in another post. Hopefully it will all work out and no one will be hurt. I'm mostly concerned about it affecting those whose brains are still in the formative stage. I question throwing it wide open to 19 year olds, although I admit it may be the only way to make them responsible.
You don’t think it is widely available and being used by teenagers now ? Do you think anything will change?
 

Hoid

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 15, 2017
20,408
4
36
towns/cities/district all over Vancouver Island are having votes on disallowing pot growing/selling in their jurisdictions.

Its going to take a long time to work this thing out.
 

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
16,649
998
113
76
Eagle Creek
Yes but they are rolling out new impaired driving rules which are going to fill the courts and create a lot more people who are ineligible to travel .


I have no problem with policing people who are stoned and driving, pgs. Having done that myself many moons ago, I found that instead of going the legal speed limit, I was actually many kilometers below it and still felt like I was flying along the highway. Learned my lesson then.
 

Mowich

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 25, 2005
16,649
998
113
76
Eagle Creek
towns/cities/district all over Vancouver Island are having votes on disallowing pot growing/selling in their jurisdictions.

Its going to take a long time to work this thing out.


Doesn't matter a whit what governments do or don't do. Those that are growing at home now will just keep cultivating. It may prevent others from growing their own, but I seriously doubt that. How are you going to police every single home?
 

petros

The Central Scrutinizer
Nov 21, 2008
117,619
14,359
113
Low Earth Orbit
I have no problem with policing people who are stoned and driving, pgs. Having done that myself many moons ago, I found that instead of going the legal speed limit, I was actually many kilometers below it and still felt like I was flying along the highway. Learned my lesson then.

On the other hand how much does it lower road rage and aggressive offensive driving?
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
Doesn't matter a whit what governments do or don't do. Those that are growing at home now will just keep cultivating. It may prevent others from growing their own, but I seriously doubt that. How are you going to police every single home?
Everybody should grow even if they don't use it. The prohibition was stupid and destructive. If everybody grew, there is no way they could do anything about it. It's a feakin' weed.
 

White_Unifier

Senate Member
Feb 21, 2017
7,300
2
36
Everybody should grow even if they don't use it. The prohibition was stupid and destructive. If everybody grew, there is no way they could do anything about it. It's a feakin' weed.

Should I grow some opium poppies too?