Man gets 6 years for homophobic, debilitating attack

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There are instances where it is a hate crime, and others where it is not. If you are pounding
on someone and tell others it is because the person is faggot, then I think the person who
committed the crime, has in fact convicted himself. sometimes people end up in a fight
where it is more about education that hatred. Say you have some fool who is drinking beer
off peoples tables, or they keep bumping a provoking another person to the point where it is
no longer possible to ignore. Or for someone to be getting hit and then deciding to defend
themselves. If they beat the other person, rather severely I don't classify that as violence I
call it education.
There is no excuse or reason to beat someone up because of race, gender, religion or just
because you can. I think we could throw in all kinds of other rules too, was it a hate crime
or bullying? Either way for the crime itself, six years is far too light. Remember the person
will get out in less than six years. Maybe for hate crimes, actually proven we could double
or triple them with no time off, no time served and no parole of any kind, make them do the max.

Good post Damngrumpy- I think in a case like this the length of the sentence should be determined by other factors besides the offense convicted of.................if the perpetrator had a record, especially including assaults, I think your assessment is right but if he was a first time offender and previously of good character, I think it would be more productive to "volunteer" him to ten years of Saturdays and Sundays working at an orphanage or old folks home.
 

shadowshiv

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Disgusting. Six years is far too little for this arsehole who basically destroyed the rest of this man's life.

Not much I can add to this. Truer words have never been spoken.

That is one thing I wish would change in Canada. We need stricter sentencing here.
 

YukonJack

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Praxius asked for proof after accusing me of making things up in his post #22. Admittedly, gays attacking, hurting and killing straight people is fewer in number and further apart in frequency, but let us not forget that gays are only about 10% of the population. However, that does not make gays any more decent and hate-free than straights. Also, remember the case of the shoe-shine boy in Toronto.

Anyways, here is the case I was referring to:

Murder of Jesse Dirkhising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

JLM

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Praxius asked for proof after accusing me of making things up in his post #22. Admittedly, gays attacking, hurting and killing straight people is fewer in number and further apart in frequency, but let us not forget that gays are only about 10% of the population. However, that does not make gays any more decent and hate-free than straights. Also, remember the case of the shoe-shine boy in Toronto.

Anyways, here is the case I was referring to:

Murder of Jesse Dirkhising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe J. Edgar Hoover may have been gay.
 

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Six years won't change what's left of this cretin's mind - regardless of his jailhouse encounters.

Often people find an object or profile of another human to hate and defile for reasons residing in their past while growing along with their fulminating ugly outlook on other people who don't match up to their criteria.

Without trying to sound too "fortunate" I had a rough time when my husband died and my neighbors at that time were three gay males who lived together in a beautiful house they designed - it is a showplace - and we loved visiting them as a couple. Of all the friends I have the three neighbors became very special to me and while I have moved father away, they are still constant friends - cheering up a rainy weekend afternoon with
snacks for football or whatever the seasonal sport is - they never push for information and all of them have a unique ability to psyche out "how a person is feeling" - and I firmly believe it is because as homosexuals trying to find their own way in our world, they needed to develop a few extras in perception of others.

They are all best friends - two of them were originally lovers but after living together for a bit decided it wasn't the best - the platonic friendship was - and among the three they have created a heaven in their home.

To be honest I detest visiting their place because I compare it to my slapdash "convenience" way of living with the last thought given to decor except as to its comfort.

Violence against gays is a sad testament and robs people of knowing what a special friend they have
barred from their lives.
 

Unforgiven

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Praxius asked for proof after accusing me of making things up in his post #22. Admittedly, gays attacking, hurting and killing straight people is fewer in number and further apart in frequency, but let us not forget that gays are only about 10% of the population. However, that does not make gays any more decent and hate-free than straights. Also, remember the case of the shoe-shine boy in Toronto.

Anyways, here is the case I was referring to:

Murder of Jesse Dirkhising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So what you are trying to say is that you really and honestly, deep down, don't understand the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia? I can understand how there really isn't any difference between a gay person hating someone and a straight person hating someone, but you have consistently made it clear in what you have posted that you simply don't know the difference. For your own sake and as a courtesy to those around you, please educate yourself so that you understand the subject matter and not embarrass yourself and others further that you already have.
 

YukonJack

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So what you are trying to say is that you really and honestly, deep down, don't understand the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia? I can understand how there really isn't any difference between a gay person hating someone and a straight person hating someone, but you have consistently made it clear in what you have posted that you simply don't know the difference. For your own sake and as a courtesy to those around you, please educate yourself so that you understand the subject matter and not embarrass yourself and others further that you already have.

Not at all. The article I quoted (and I am sure you never bothered to read) clearly stated that the two perps were "PARTNERS". In my single days I was 'partner' with other males, for sharing costs, but NEVER for abusing and killing kids. These two were, without a doubt HOMOSEXUALS who did not shy away from a bit of pedophilia.

Your post indicates that in your opinion (probably a FACT in your mind) that gays can not be haters, can not be killers, can not be pedophiles. You sanctimoniously lecture me about the difference. Pray tell, what is the difference between gays torturing and killing a boy and hetero-sexuals torturing and killing a boy.

Well, perhaps the honesty. At least the straight offenders never made a secret about their feelings, while the gay killers of an innocent straight boy knew that they could rely on the support by politically correct liberals.

"For your own sake and as a courtesy to those around you, please educate yourself so that you understand the subject matter and not embarrass yourself and others further that you already have."

Do your own words sound familiar to you??
 

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Praxius asked for proof after accusing me of making things up in his post #22. Admittedly, gays attacking, hurting and killing straight people is fewer in number and further apart in frequency, but let us not forget that gays are only about 10% of the population. However, that does not make gays any more decent and hate-free than straights. Also, remember the case of the shoe-shine boy in Toronto.

Anyways, here is the case I was referring to:

Murder of Jesse Dirkhising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh I never once claimed they'd never happen or never happened..... anything is possible, I personally never encountered any cases. But your above linked example and whatever you're talking about towards the shoe-shine boy in Toronto...... both are references to children/minors, hence those are examples more of pedophilia then homosexuality..... kind of like priests and little boys and/or little girls..... which these type of cases occur with criminals who are or are not homosexual...... the minor's sexual orientation in either case most likely had very little to do with the victims orientation, but more towards their age.... thus they do not exactly relate to the topic at hand.

Now if you have a case where it's based around a gay adult attacking a straight adult simply because the victim was straight.... then I could see a relation and valid argument.

But until then.
 

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Like Prax said, you might have a case if/when/where it happens that a gay beats someone up just for their sexual orientation. And I'm certain it has happened at some point, but, it hasn't been often enough or problematic enough for the straight community, to justify seperate legislation, which makes it a bit odd that it's the topic rather than the occurence at hand.
 

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Like Prax said, you might have a case if/when/where it happens that a gay beats someone up just for their sexual orientation. And I'm certain it has happened at some point, but, it hasn't been often enough or problematic enough for the straight community, to justify seperate legislation, which makes it a bit odd that it's the topic rather than the occurence at hand.

Hence my reference to J. Edgar Hoover- if only figuratively. :lol:
 

Unforgiven

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Not at all. The article I quoted (and I am sure you never bothered to read) clearly stated that the two perps were "PARTNERS".

Well have it your way.

Go back and read the article. The police referred to them as lovers not partners. The press took that as a confirmation and returned to that idea a number of times. They were never asked nor admitted this was the case.
Of course conservatives jumped on it, which is likely the reason the unsubstantiated claims of homosexuality were so brazenly attributed to this case, not for the sake and humanity of the loss of this poor kid, but as an indirect attack on homosexuals as a whole. Much like what you want to happen here. Now, who do you suppose should go read the article you posted?

In my single days I was 'partner' with other males, for sharing costs, but NEVER for abusing and killing kids. These two were, without a doubt HOMOSEXUALS who did not shy away from a bit of pedophilia.

There is a common word used for that association. Most call them room mates. So you had room mates to share costs when you were single. Or are you trying to say you had a monogamous relationship with another guy in part to share costs? Because there is a difference between "Partner" in the context you refer to the two pedophiles to killed Jesse Dirkhising and "Room mates" in the context I referred to. Clearly there was a lot of doubt about the context of the alleged relationship they had in the media.

Your post indicates that in your opinion (probably a FACT in your mind) that gays can not be haters, can not be killers, can not be pedophiles. You sanctimoniously lecture me about the difference. Pray tell, what is the difference between gays torturing and killing a boy and hetero-sexuals torturing and killing a boy.

Have others mentioned your apparent lack of reading comprehension to you?

Here is what I said.

Unforgiven: I can understand how there really isn't any difference between a gay person hating someone and a straight person hating someone

The fact is being gay doesn't make you a pedophile any more than being straight does. A pedophile is someone who has a sexual attraction to children. It's about having power over children because they are innocent and naive. The difference between the two cases which has obviously avoided your limited reason is that Jesse Dirkhising was lured and became the plaything of two pedophiles which resulted in his death, while in the case of Matthew Shepard two men who simply loathed anyone who happened to be homosexual, killed Matthew Shepard for being homosexual. Not because of some random selection out of a group of people. A specific act based solely on the fact that they knew he was gay.

It's the difference between someone going postal and shooting someone at random and going postal and shooting someone because she is a woman.

Well, perhaps the honesty. At least the straight offenders never made a secret about their feelings, while the gay killers of an innocent straight boy knew that they could rely on the support by politically correct liberals.

Like pride in killing someone because you're a bigot is at all worthy of praise.

"For your own sake and as a courtesy to those around you, please educate yourself so that you understand the subject matter and not embarrass yourself and others further that you already have."

Do your own words sound familiar to you??

They still stand. That you can't even quote correctly from your own link would make most reasonable people reflect on what they are saying here. I'm sure you will have yet another snappy reply on deck fast than the shake of a lambs tail.
 

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YukonJack

We are all what we are born if we choose to be honest and forthright.

Defense regarding your preference in life is wasted on those who posit the same garbage over and over knowing they enjoy the seemingly "intellectul" battle.

It's like arguing about the color of one's hair. Predators are from all sexual
preferences - and some even select animals for want of another victim.

Those sub-humans who destroy the young in our world for whatever twisted reason they act out aren't worth our time or concern - it is too bad they aren't removed from all of society and sequestered on an island far away from our innocent children.
 

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When one argues that "lovers" (as referring to two males) is less indicative of them being homosexuals than the word "partners", one knows that one lost the argument.
 

Unforgiven

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When one argues that "lovers" (as referring to two males) is less indicative of them being homosexuals than the word "partners", one knows that one lost the argument.

I've lost the argument? Do you even have a basis for that or is it just the sting of pride grasping at straws in your futile effort to redeem yourself. Just because some cop calls to guys lovers in an off hand way doesn't define them any more than you assuming **** wins an argument. That you work this hard to smear the GLBT community by making out that pedophilia is homosexuality, is what not only loses the argument but also puts you in the a position of looking terribly foolish.