___Agree ,let,s start......
________The "pathetic" describes the silence and in action of the public .
Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport
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Followed their training??? They should have been giving the guy CPR, they have the training....Might have saved the guy's life and they did nothing.:roll:
Unfortunately you have an unfortunate position. You need some counciling. PM me and we can discuss your problems.
They did what they were trained to do. Peoples focus should be the RCMP training standards and why they are what they are. For example, why did they need to taser him in the first place. Why were they trained to do that.
They were trained to drive drunk and kill a guy too?
Im pretty sure that drunk driving is a felony. Why do we have Felons for cops again?
Remember those ads with the nice officers on TV telling us how Drunk Driving isn't an accident? how it kills moms and children in minivans? the nice graphic images?
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Cannuck
What fu.... training......4 policeman can't take care of one tired pax.and have to use Taser gun ? Give m a break ,The guy wasn't Killer Kowalski or something So you are also saying Cannuck that the rcmp are trained how to drink ,drive and kill , right ?
Cannuck , you are a mental case just like a majority in 'Cannuck Land' .(didn't say all)
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That really doesn't have anything to do with this case. Are you taking lessons from Praxius on how to confuse issues.
They probably could but they are not trained to do so. Whether you folks can accept it or not, these officers acted within their scope of training. I'm not saying they acted properly. I'm not saying they couldn't have done better. I'm saying their training is the issue, not their conduct. If you are interested, there are very good reasons they were trained to taser this individual.
The Issues are never confused, they are all one in the same and are always connected.
But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Any monkey should know that shooting someone multiple times with electrical charges can cause problems with people's health, esspecially with the heart.... when someone stops breathing and not responsive, usually someone who's got a clue knows you should probably step in and help the guy to breath and get their heart going again...... and these officers should be and I believe ARE trained in CPR and the sort.... how many accidents do you think they come accross on the roads each month? (Sometimes ones created by themselves)
Usually they're the first on a scene and therefore need to know the basics..... to tell the medic they won't remove the cuffs because they guy was "Violent" shows they just didn't give a sh*t, or they never paid attention to their training..... AKA: didn't give a sh*t.
The guy wasn't breathing and his heart stopped.... do you think he was suddenly going to become violent between the time they revive him and the time he dies?
What do you think they would have done if the did not have a Taser ,would they use a real gun ? ....think about it ;would 4 armed policemen shoot an unarmed man . You know what ? That's just what they did ;these cowards shot an unarmed man .
And you complain about me smoking "Doobies?"
What the hell is wrong with you? Of course they're trained to do so.... what the hell do you think they did before the Taser was invented? Cripes almighty.
Do you even know what their scope of training was?
They didn't and their asses should be fired, they should move into a tin trailer home in a crappy trailer park, drink lots of rum, reflect apon the stupid things they done in their lives and then shoot themselves below the ribs and above the stomach.
Then when the police arrive at the tailer home from a shots fired call, they can fiddle around doing nothing, talk amongst themselves for 5 seconds, then taser his ass several times and walk away to leave him to die..... he had a gun afterall and it's not in their training to do anything else besides that. :roll:
The taser is supposed to be used as a last resort before using a firearm on a suspect..... are you telling me he was so angry and violent that they were close to the point of shooting this unarmed individual who was just frustrated and never even took a swing at anybody?
He chucked a chair at a door.... big whoop...
And considering the actions of some of these officers in other situations on and off the job, I think their conduct is directly in question here.
They weren't.
I agree training standards are lax, and the use of Tasers needs to be restricted. As I have said ad naseum, Tasers need to be considered lethal force to be deployed only when "you or another person is in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm", the same standard applied to firearms.
While this is not the practise, neither are officers "trained" to deploy the taser at a whim.......that was their choice.....they had others....maintain distance, talk to the guy, try to find someone that spoke Polish, or even use pepper spray.......
Unfortunately, it is true that officers are now trained that "NOTHING matters except that you go home unharmed at the end of the shift". This culture has been dominant in police circles for decades now, and it is unacceptable. Occassionally, these guys should be expected to step up to the plate and take a risk, even if it does mean the remote possibility of breaking a nail.
These guys need to be fired, and probably charged with criminal negligence.
Idiots, they have done the reputation of the RCMP great damage.
Almost as much damage as the RCMP have done themselves by keeping them on.
Mounties obstructed efforts to save Dziekanski: firefighter
Hasn't it already been determined that these Officers would not be charged, reprimanded,
or punished in any way....and thus the reason that they where able to testify as witnesses
at this Hearing?
Hasn't it already been determined that these Officers would not be charged, reprimanded,
or punished in any way....and thus the reason that they where able to testify as witnesses
at this Hearing?
Yup, that doesn't make it right though.
Our court systems have become a joke with so many deals being made to get lesser punishments in just about every situation, if any at all, and it needs to stop.
It's no longer about seeking justice, it's about covering everybody's ass as best they can.
Oooooooooh Ooooooooooh this could get messy, especially if one fire fighter has more credibility than four cops.
Nothing.
Pepper spray, billy club, revolver or they may have jumped him...but we are not talking about what they would do before the taser was invented now are we?
Yes. That's why I brought it up.
Nope. The taser is to be used to get a situation that is "out of control", "under control"
Mounties obstructed efforts to save Dziekanski: firefighter
I guess this comes back to, was this guy beyond the abilities of these four Officers
to control him without Tazering him three times, subsequently killing him? Dziekanski
DID have a stapler in his hand so he was armed and dangerous. I wonder if anyone
has kept statistics as to just how many Law Enforcement Officers are killed in the line
of duty every year with hand staplers? I'd assume it's a very small number....8O
I guess this comes back to, was this guy beyond the abilities of these four Officers
to control him without Tazering him three times, subsequently killing him? Dziekanski
DID have a stapler in his hand so he was armed and dangerous. I wonder if anyone
has kept statistics as to just how many Law Enforcement Officers are killed in the line
of duty every year with hand staplers? I'd assume it's a very small number....8O
It's not that the training standards are lax. It is that the hiring standards are lax. The RCMP are forced to hire people today that would never have been considered 30 years ago. Obviously, training "standards" have to be "standardized". 30 years ago a cop would have pulled out his billy club, ordered the guy down to the ground. If he didn't comply he would get smacked. Today, and because of the legal requirements to hire 90 pound weaklings into the RCMP, cops are taught to get out of control situations under control asap. Police have tasered drunk drivers trying to run away (contradicting Praxius assertion that it is a last resort before shooting). I was at a recent Disaster Services table top exercise when an RCMP officer informed everyone that she would taser anybody that refused to leave their home when ordered to evacuate because "they were putting people at risk by staying".
The bureaucrats have forced the RCMP (as well as others) to lower hiring standards due to human rights concerns. This lower standard has caused the RCMP to alter their training to accommodate these people. Don't blame the officers. Don't blame the RCMP. Blame political correctness.
Yes we are, since both go hand in hand in regards to what should have been done.... just because the taser was invented, doesn't mean it's an excuse to abandon all other procedures and methods of maintaining control, esspecially when the situation has no warrent for the taser to be used as nobody is in any danger.
No it is not, you clearly have no clue of what you're talking about, yet again.
The Taser is only supposed to be used as a last resort prior to using a firearm in hostile or otherwise dangerous situations where there is risk of injury or death to the officer(s) or population. The explination you provided is about as general and accurate as a 16th century cannon.
It's not a friggin toy to zap people like a hand buzzer whenever you feel like it..... and if police think it is, then they should be fired..... and if you think it is, then I hope you never get into a position of authority in law where you'd be given one.