Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport

Ron in Regina

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Source: Suspension for Taser abuse

Suspension for Taser abuse

Cop docked 90 hours for using weapon on two sleeping men


Steve Lillebuen, The Edmonton Journal

Published: Friday, November 28
A veteran Edmonton police officer who used a Taser on two sleeping men has been handed a 90-hour suspension in a strongly worded indictment on abuse of the controversial weapon.

Const. Jeffrey Resler pleaded guilty to using his Taser seconds after entering a Cromdale Hotel room in 2003, but he blamed his misconduct on stress caused by a bitter divorce.

In a written internal disciplinary decision released this week, Supt. Mark Logar ruled the officer had no authority to arrest or detain the two men.

"Tasers are to be used only in exceptional and truly necessary circumstances," he wrote. "Members of the service expect this and the citizens of Edmonton have every right to demand it. There is therefore every need to impose a penalty that firmly denounces the improper use of the Taser."

In a joint submission, defence lawyer Alex Pringle and the presenting officer had argued for a 60-hour suspension, but that was lengthened by an additional 30 hours in the decision.

On Nov. 27, 2003, Resler joined three other officers in responding to an armed robbery call at the Cromdale Hotel.

They were met at the hotel by a man who said he had been accosted by a native man armed with a knife and asking for money.

The hotel manager couldn't confirm whether the suspect was still hiding in the hotel, but the officers decided to search the second floor.

In one room, a man was found hiding. He didn't respond to police and tried to grab something from under a blanket, so Resler deployed the Taser. No misconduct was alleged in that incident.

But in a second hotel room minutes later, Resler spotted three men -- none of whom matched the suspect description. He deployed the Taser on two of the sleeping men, identified as Patrick Marshall and Robert Stewart. "He was too quick to reach for his Taser," Logar wrote. "Why indeed should (these two men) suffer physical pain because of Const. Resler's divorce?"

During his disciplinary hearing, several officers testified that Resler has excelled at work in the robbery section since the Taser incident.

He had no prior disciplinary decisions against him at the time and the ruling pointed out that the misconduct appears to have been an isolated incident on his police record.

A 12-year veteran, Resler was experienced in the Tactical Section when his marriage fell apart and he requested to be transferred back to patrol, his defence lawyer said. Two days later, he was sent to the Cromdale Hotel for the robbery call.

Presenting officer Derek Cranna withdrew four of six charges on the first day of Resler's disciplinary hearing. No reason was given. Resler pleaded guilty to the remaining two charges.

In 2006, Resler was acquitted in provincial court on assault charges from the same incident. Judge Robert Philp ruled that the testimony of several witnesses was "at times contradictory, confusing and unclear."

The Edmonton Police Service changed its use of force policy that year to clarify that officers can no longer use Tasers on people who are sleeping.

slillebuen@thejournal.canwest.com


This is good news for those people that sleep in the City of Edmonton. Not a
charge of "Assault with a 'Less Than' (?) Lethal Weapon" or any of the six
charges against this Officer (acquitted on two, four others dropped) stuck.
That sounds about right and fair to the two SLEEPING guys. This is Justice?
 

barney

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NO! You are still wrong. For one thing - not all of them used a taser on him. I don't know what you think goes on inside the RCMP but it's not what you seem to think. I spent years watching many members being turned in for the simple act of shop lifting to worse degrees such as selling drugs. No one denies that the death of this man was a horrible event. No one - not one single member of the police present there expected or planned for his death.
Tell me something - you are driving down an icy road. You are even taking care to be driving slow due to the icy conditions. Someone's child or pet runs out in front of you. You hit the binders but the child or pet gets hit regardless and they die. You did not leave home with the intent to kill. You did not leave home with the intent to maim. A horrible event occurred. Should you be charged with murder or manslaughter? How would you feel after it was all over with? I know how my husband felt after years of attending those kind of accidents and more. None of this was intentional and you people have to lighten up.

...:angry3:

If that's what you think of me then fine, but you haven't given me any indication that you know more about what goes on in the RCMP than me except that you've been witness to some of the effects their internal policing at work.

The RCMP has legitimate internal functions but most of what we see is just that. The not-so-nice stuff happens outside of the public domain. This happens in many organizations, particularly those of armed authority. This should not be new to anyone.

So you're comparing an unavoidable car accident with a situation that could have been dealt with in many different ways, most of them not resulting in death? Unless you are a fanatically loyal employee of an insurance company, please do better.

In the case of the accident you would not be charged with anything. Why? Because it wasn't your fault (regardless of what your insurance company might say). The four RCMP were not only at fault, but acted in a deliberately hostile manner towards the victim.

Lighten up? These LAW ENFORCERS (i.e. the only people in our society outside of the military and private security authorized to use armed force and also stand for the law that governs our country) killed a man in hardly accidental circumstances and it's one in a long list of nasty acts by members of the RCMP. They got off with barely a slap on the wrist. Not an issue to be taken lightly.

By the way, my criticism of the RCMP and my view of the four officers are two separate things: the only connection is the mentality that dominates in that organization.


And JLM, you say you're never going to win me over? You can't seriously believe that I'm such a push-over that I'm going to be convinced by a few short comments that almost systematically ignore everything I say, while telling me that I'm full of it.
 

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As a Canadian it is your responsibility to know the whole story before you start contacting the PM. Obviously you know very little about it.

islandpacific

As a Polish Canadian Citizen I watched(on a film) 4 cops brutally murder an inoscent ,defenseless man .Is there more to the story islandpacific ,if so please share it with me.
I would not feel good about myself if I just let it go,agree ,with the "punishment " that the cops have received .I guess we are different "citizens" ..mister.
 

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Had I been on the scene at the time it's very possible that I would have intervened once I saw what was about to happen (short of being tasered myself of course). If I'd been a cop on the scene I would have theatened lethal force on those guys after the first taser shot. This was not some minor mistake, these guys were bad-asses and they let this Pole have it to the point of killing him. It's as simple as that.

If you were a cop on the scene you would have threatened lethal force on them? Right.
 

Ron in Regina

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No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report

NO! You are still wrong. For one thing - not all of them used a taser on him. I don't know what you think goes on inside the RCMP but it's not what you seem to think. I spent years watching many members being turned in for the simple act of shop lifting to worse degrees such as selling drugs. No one denies that the death of this man was a horrible event. No one - not one single member of the police present there expected or planned for his death.
Tell me something - you are driving down an icy road. You are even taking care to be driving slow due to the icy conditions. Someone's child or pet runs out in front of you. You hit the binders but the child or pet gets hit regardless and they die. You did not leave home with the intent to kill. You did not leave home with the intent to maim. A horrible event occurred. Should you be charged with murder or manslaughter? How would you feel after it was all over with? I know how my husband felt after years of attending those kind of accidents and more. None of this was intentional and you people have to lighten up.


I agree with you. Not all of them used a Taser on this now dead man. The RCMP Officer that nealt on this man's
head and neck while he was being Taser'd, didn't Tazer him. The The RCMP Officer that nealt on this man's Chest
while he was being Tazer'd, didn't Taser him. The RCMP Officer that stood back and did nothing while watching his
co-workers murder this guy wasn't Tasering the Victim. After the RCMP Officers realized they'd killed this man, none
of them Tasered this guy any further while they stood around not attempting to revive the guy they'd just killed.

The senario presented about the slippery road doesn't quite fit the equivilant situation. This would fit much closer.

You're driving down an icy road. You're even taking care to be driving slow due to the icy conditions. Someone's
child or pet runs out in front of you. Luckily you're left handed and already have the drivers window down so as not
to impead the deployment of your Taser. You hit the binders and stop but the child or pet still crossed your path. You
did not leave home with the intent to kill. You did not leave home with the intent to maim. You Taser the child or pet
still, while your Buddy's from the back seat jump out and onto her/him/it, nealing on her/his/its head & neck & chest.
Your Buddy from the passenger seat watchs this all go down in the event that you need back-up. You Taser this child
or pet three more times while your buddies are on her/his/its neck and chest. This child or pet dies. Your Buddy from
the passenger seat does nothing to stop this assult and death. You and your Buddies stand around with your thumbs
up your collective backsides doing nothing to revive this child or pet until the EMT's arrive and pronouce her/him/it
deceased. Should you be charged with murder or manslaughter? How would you feel after it was all over with?

If this wasn't intentional, it was pretty callous without concern for the safety of their victim...further demonstrated by
the complete non-effort to revive this man. The RCMP tried to hide this tape from the world, but the world got to
see it (and got to put the lies they where being told by the RCMP into context) anyway. The video tape didn't lie.
The issue of credibility comes up for some reason? The RCMP find themselves not guilty and these officers have
no charges to face, even after the world has watched this video tape so they can't further lie their way out of this.
Now the issue of credibility of the RCMP has come up again. I'm sure there are some GREAT RCMP
Officiers,but these four aren't in that category, and neither are those in the RCMP that lied and tried to cover this
up until the video tape hit YouTube. This time, this assult was caught on tape. We should all lighten up...

YouTube - RCMP lie about circumstances surrounding taser death
 

barney

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If you were a cop on the scene you would have threatened lethal force on them? Right.

It was a way of expressing the illegitimacy of the RCMP officers' actions. But yeah, I would've unholstered for that. Sure, I would probably have at least part of the force against me in court as well as the RCMP but so what? The guy would be alive wouldn't he? Do the right thing and **** the consequences. The motto of a good cop. As a cop (and even as a citizen for that matter), I would have been within my rights to do so if I believed the man's life was in danger, which it very clearly was. (And as a cop I would be very familiar with the effects of tasers on victims in that state, and also know full well that that the RCMP officers definitely weren't following procedure in a situation like that--the last thing you do is antagonize. The stance was hostile, provoking and a clear threat to the man's safety. Behaviour that is undeniably typical of cops looking for an excuse to use force.)
 

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Tasers Are An Outrage We Must Resist
'Daniel Sylvester can't forget the night the police fired 50,000 volts of electricity into his skull. The 46-year-old grandfather owns his own security business, and he was recently walking down the street when a police van screeched up to him.
He didn't know what they wanted, but obeyed when they told him to approach slowly. "I then had this incredible jolt of pain on the back of my head," he explains. The electricity made him spasm; as he fell to the ground, he felt his teeth scatter on the tarmac and his bowels open. "Then they shot me again in the head. I can't describe the pain."
The police then saw he was not the person they were looking for, said he was free to go, and drove off.'
Johann Hari: Tasers are an outrage we must resist - Letters, Opinion - The Independent
 

VanIsle

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Movies you say................ Fact I say........



Christy Clark - The Official Website » RCMP’s Bush investigation requires impartial inquiry

I have heard of other similar stories, but none that have made news such as this.. Of course the police usually do not discuss using their guns in this fashion..

It may not be policy, but hey, since when do people follow all rules when fighting for their lives ?
Okay - you wanted me to refer to this post. I was taken back that you would make reference to Christy Clark's post. She should know that the police do not investigate themselves and it certainly seems to be the popular opinion on these pages. Some oaf on here basically calling them the equivalent of the SS! For all of you that want to know the truth behind who investigates the RCMP (and it's NOT the RCMP themselves) here - this is for you:
About Us

The CPC is an independent agency, created by Parliament, to ensure that complaints made by the public about the conduct of members of the RCMP are examined fairly and impartially.
The CPC is not part of the RCMP.
CPC reports make findings and recommendations aimed at correcting and preventing recurring policing problems.
The CPC's goal is to promote excellence in policing through accountability.
CPC Statement

Vision

Excellence in policing through accountability.
Mission

To provide civilian oversight of RCMP members' conduct in performing their policing duties so as to hold the RCMP accountable to the public.
Mandate

  • To receive complaints from the public about the conduct of RCMP members
  • To conduct reviews when complainants are not satisfied with the RCMP's handling of their complaints
  • To hold hearings and carry out investigations
  • To report findings and make recommendations
BCPC: I'm sorry. Upon second reading of your post, other than your ref. to Clark I seem to have mis-understood you. I gather that like myself you are not defending the weapon and not condemning those who used it. Am I right in this?
 

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manslaughter. It wasn't pre-meditated

Good thing the RCMP was investigating the RCMP. Could the outcome not have been any more predictable?
You showed a post to a member of the RCMP and he laughed! I think not. I think with a comment like you have just made you would not have any RCMP friends to be showing it to. Just in case you get mixed up again - here is the address for the Complaints Commission that actually investigates the RCMP. The RCMP do not investigate themselves.
Welcome Page - Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP | Page d'accueil - Commission des plaintes publiques contre la GRC It's called The Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP.
 

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BCPC: I'm sorry. Upon second reading of your post, other than your ref. to Clark I seem to have mis-understood you. I gather that like myself you are not defending the weapon and not condemning those who used it. Am I right in this?

First I would like to say I was discussing in that post a subject totally different in that I was being asked to qualify using a Gun in any other way by Colpy then shooting someone. I used as reference the incident given by Christy Clark as evidence as I was tired of having my remark questioned. Colpy finally accepted the fact it could happen..

Second I don't believe that Taser ( the Manufacturer ) is being honest in having given all the facts about their devices.. That is my opinion and I think I am allowed to believe that until something else gives me reason to change. That is always a possibility as I keep an open mind.

Third I did say someone could abuse a Taser just as someone could abuse any other device.. RCMP Officers are not the only people who carry Tasers..

SkyTrain transit police to get Tasers

And for God sake stop assuming people hate all police officers because one incident happened.. My Godfather was a decorated Police Officer I respected but I do not bring it up everyday. I have several family member in sereral forces in Eastern Canada that I respect and grew up with that are members as well as an old coworker and friend that worked at YVR as an RCMP Officer. My biggest fear is that he was one of the officers but I am not sure if he was still posted there when all this happened... Personally I am tired of this incident and feel sad for the family and officers..

My last comment on this topic and one that will never change is that I have always taught my children to respect ANY police office and that they should look up to them. I have a high respect for them as well and have never had any issues. I would say that I have seen a few that needed to have some retraining on power trip management. That said it has never tainted my view of any force..
 

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Mounties obstructed efforts to save Dziekanski: firefighter

Mounties obstructed efforts to save Dziekanski: firefighter

A Richmond firefighter says RCMP officers acted unprofessionally and obstructed their attempts to save Robert Dziekanski, the Polish immigrant who died after being stunned with a Taser several times at Vancouver International Airport.

Capt. Kirby Graeme told the Braidwood inquiry into the death of Dziekanski that firefighters were at the airport within six minutes of getting a call on Oct. 14, 2007.

When they got inside the terminal, an RCMP officer told the firefighters they had stunned Dziekanski with a Taser three times, Graeme testified on Tuesday at the Vancouver probe.

The four Mounties involved were standing several metres away from where Dziekanski was lying on the ground and didn't appear to be monitoring or helping him, he said.

Graeme said he asked a Mountie to remove Dziekanski's handcuffs so firefighters could help him, but the officer refused because Dziekanski had been violent.

"The first thing I did after I had asked him what happened … I said we need to take off the handcuffs so we can properly assess the patient … and the Mountie replied, 'He has been violent we are not going to take the cuffs off.'"

Given Dziekanski's condition, he should have been uncuffed and on his back to clear his airways and begin CPR, Graeme said.

The officers only removed the handcuffs after the BC Ambulance Service arrived, he testified. By the time paramedics began chest compressions, it was too late to save Dziekanski, he said.

And one of these officers got into an accident while drinking and driving and killed a motorcyclist?

Hang their asses until they're dead! If you can't do your damn jobs and have no respect for anything other then your own authority, then you shouldn't be in that position of authority in the first place.... and very serious consequences should apply.

They should have known what was needed to be done and they sat back like dumbasses and let him die.

Pathetic