With the econonmy in the crapper and him worrying about the political situation come January, I don't think I would bother sending him a letter. Nothing will be done about it.
Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport
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With the econonmy in the crapper and him worrying about the political situation come January, I don't think I would bother sending him a letter. Nothing will be done about it.
Yes I want my dime back for the reasons stated above and because even if that were not the case, it is still an archaic institution that should have been replaced by a new system long ago. (Of course, that doesn't exactly distinguish it from much of the rest of the establishment in Canada.)
What is this truth that I have to accept again?
Mismanagement? Come on man, didn't you see the evidence? It was splattered all over the news (and that's saying a lot). Just admit it, it's murder. In the 2nd degree perhaps but still murder, and they got off. It's not like anyone who knows how much clout the RCMP has would expect any different, but that doesn't change what it is.
So in other words, they're all decent blokes but some do not-so-nice things occasionally...
...and then I'm criticized for biased generalizations.
Ever wish sometimes you could have been someplace and participated?
Here we sit in Canada like whipped pups over yet another police murder; yet another atrocity at the hands of our gestapo and yet we have a prime example in Greece of how to say "no more!" - how to stop their murdering injustices.
The police are meant to protect property, so destroy the property. Force them to bend to our will not us to theirs. If the police cannot protect the wealthy elite and their fat @sses then the elite will change the police.
I salute the rioters in Greece. I only wish Canada would grow a pair. We are a nation of marshmallowy pathetic sheep.
People sit back and say "that isn't the way the matter should be handled" but they are wrong. The police use violence and so the only way to change their behaviour is through violence. If another method were possible then they would be using it. Democracies are oppositional and innately violent. If we don't figure that out in this stupid little country of ours we are surely plummeting into tyranny.
Greek Riots Photo Collection.
Here we sit in Canada like whipped pups over yet another police murder; yet another atrocity at the hands of our gestapo and yet we have a prime example in Greece of how to say "no more!" - how to stop their murdering injustices.
The police are meant to protect property, so destroy the property. Force them to bend to our will not us to theirs. If the police cannot protect the wealthy elite and their fat @sses then the elite will change the police.
I salute the rioters in Greece. I only wish Canada would grow a pair. We are a nation of marshmallowy pathetic sheep.
People sit back and say "that isn't the way the matter should be handled" but they are wrong. The police use violence and so the only way to change their behaviour is through violence. If another method were possible then they would be using it. Democracies are oppositional and innately violent. If we don't figure that out in this stupid little country of ours we are surely plummeting into tyranny.
Greek Riots Photo Collection.
"So in other words, they're all decent blokes but some do not-so-nice things occasionally..."- SPOT ON OLD CHAP.
This is a scandal. The RCMP and "crown" types feel they are above the law and whatever they do is arrogantly okay. What a joke.
Now there'll be a useless inquiry costing thousands of dollars.
That Polish man deserves better.
Now there'll be a useless inquiry costing thousands of dollars.
That Polish man deserves better.
Sorry, no. I have to disagree; the ethical deficit in the RCMP goes deeper than a few bad eggs.
Look, why don't you just look into the RCMP's sordid history and see for yourself? I'm not making this up. Beneath the rosy picture, these guys have a nasty rep and it's far from being entirely undeserved. (Just put aside your personal experience--there are decent people everywhere, even in the RCMP--and look at the organization as a whole from a critical viewpoint.)
Absolutely, as do other victims (not all of them dead) of that "arrogance" (and I think that's putting it way too lightly).
As a Canadian it is your responsibility to know the whole story before you start contacting the PM. Obviously you know very little about it.
I spent over 30 years in daily attendence with RCMP members. All - absolutely all you have to say here is simply police hatred and complete trash!
I don't think you are going to win this one I.P., people who have such an intense hatred for any group in an indescriminate manner, usually deep down don't have much love or respect for themselves. Undoubtedly there are cops as BArney describes, like it seems there was at least one bad apple who attended the airport, but to tar all four with the same brush is utterly ridiculous, without knowing more than what we do. I will admit when police investigate themselves there is going to be fair amount of coverup, but that isn't not the cops so much as human nature.
What an absurd line of logic. They were all together, if one went too far then it is the responsibility of the others to stop him and since they did not they are all complicit. All of their jobs are to serve and protect (or so they claim). It is each gestapos stated duty to protect the public; the police failed to protect Dziekanski therefore they failed in their duty and in fact, by letting a fellow Nazi go "too far," murdered him.
Claiming people don't have enough facts is a simpletons dodge. We have the tape and can clearly see what went on. We know the police duty and we know how Dziekanski was acting; we also know what kind of a threat a stapler really poses. we can see the police were large men in body armour and absolutely could have overpowered Dziekanski if they had wished.
That is enough evidence for me. If it isn't enough for you then I must pause in wonder at how you can even turn a computer on.
I am so tired of this "we don't have all the facts" argument. It is a mindless dodge; there can always be more facts but that does not mean there are not enough. There are plenty in this case - more than enough - the police murdered him and let themselves off - that is a fact.
I can see where you are coming from- when we were growing up we were taught that if you were at a crime scene with the perpetrator, then you are just as guilty, but I was thinking more of mindset here. With all the video in the world you can't tell exactly what was in the cop's heads at the time. They were sent out to stop the man's threatening and potentially destructive actions and they accomplished that. I would tend to agree at least one of the cops acted in a vicious fashion or at least was the instigator. But murder/manslaughter, I'm not thoroughly convinced.
"What an absurd line of logic."- Not the most diplomatic way to engage in a debate- there's a possibility your mind works in the same manner you are accusing the cops of.
Hatred is generally incurred by the act of murder (and/or torture).
If they don't like being hated they should stop torturing and killing people.
It's really a simple problem with a simple solution.
Why do you think I can so clearly see what they were doing? I don't need to guess at their mindset. I know what it was.
There is no difference in mindset between a cop and a criminal except they seek power from different sides of the fence and even their methods are the same but the police use different justification; their goal, however, is the exact same: respect and power.
Your great mind is being wasted. Surely by now someone of great legal stature would have seen fit to appoint you as chief prosecutor, judge and jury.
No charges for RCMP in airport Tasering: Report
Source: Some Edmonton police abandoning Tasers
While testifying as a witness in a disciplinary hearing for two other officers, Const. Mike Wasylyshen said he has stopped carrying a Taser because of past criticisms.
In April 2004, Wasylyshen helped arrest a suspect after a lengthy car chase. While two other officers face disciplinary charges for using their Tasers that night, Wasylyshen chose not to use his.
"I had some bad luck with a Taser incident in 2002, to be honest," the officer said when asked why he didn't draw the Taser he had that night. "Using it would have been practical, it would have been justified. I just didn't utilize it. It would be a hassle for me to use it."
Wasylyshen said he has since turned in his Taser and has not requested another one.
In October 2002, Wasylyshen used a Taser to wake up Randy Fryingpan, 16, who was passed out in a car. The incident was heavily criticized and a judge later threw out a charge against Fryingpan.
If you want to read the rest of the story, I've provided a link at the top...
"I had some bad luck with a Taser incident in 2002, to be honest," Unreal...
Source: Some Edmonton police abandoning Tasers
While testifying as a witness in a disciplinary hearing for two other officers, Const. Mike Wasylyshen said he has stopped carrying a Taser because of past criticisms.
In April 2004, Wasylyshen helped arrest a suspect after a lengthy car chase. While two other officers face disciplinary charges for using their Tasers that night, Wasylyshen chose not to use his.
"I had some bad luck with a Taser incident in 2002, to be honest," the officer said when asked why he didn't draw the Taser he had that night. "Using it would have been practical, it would have been justified. I just didn't utilize it. It would be a hassle for me to use it."
Wasylyshen said he has since turned in his Taser and has not requested another one.
In October 2002, Wasylyshen used a Taser to wake up Randy Fryingpan, 16, who was passed out in a car. The incident was heavily criticized and a judge later threw out a charge against Fryingpan.
If you want to read the rest of the story, I've provided a link at the top...
"I had some bad luck with a Taser incident in 2002, to be honest," Unreal...
Hey I gave you the benefit of the doubt (ok with some big reservations). You could at least show me the same courtesy.
Reporters entrenched with soldiers often become biased in favour of the soldiers because they see only the individuals, who are just doing their job and not the larger operation itself, which may very well be ethically questionable. Why do you assume that you are above bias? I certainly am not, but I also don't make accusations out of the blue--at least give me the benefit of the doubt that my dislike of the RCMP does not arise from some personal bad experience with them but rather is based on some knowledge of that particular organization and others like it.
Ok my first statement was pretty vicious but I was already in a pretty bad mood when I wrote it. That still doesn't mean that it is some emotinal babble not worthy of consideration.
The death of that man was humiliating for me as a Canadian and deeply saddening when one empathizes with the mother's situation.
Had I been on the scene at the time it's very possible that I would have intervened once I saw what was about to happen (short of being tasered myself of course). If I'd been a cop on the scene I would have theatened lethal force on those guys after the first taser shot. This was not some minor mistake, these guys were bad-asses and they let this Pole have it to the point of killing him. It's as simple as that.
The RCMP is no friend to the immigrant so the mentality that spurred their aggressive behaviour definitely follows the norm.
IMO you're being way too soft on them and you're unwillingness to even consider that the RCMP is not the saintly organization it appears to be is disconcerting, given your ability to be critical on other issues.
And by the way, I was being discriminate: I saw my error and apologized for my generalization. I freely admit that there are many...er...at least a good number of people (I won't kid myself) in the RCMP who are decent.
As for the four _____ at the airport (see I'm even willing to censor myself for the sake of your delicate eyes): I saw the video and recognized that sort of behaviour (yes in all four of them) as being similar to other malicious behaviour on the part of law enforcement personnel with intent to do harm. Sure one may have been more murderous than another but considering how this justice system (with the eager help of the RCMP) frequently and indiscriminately destroys people's lives without taking into account their individual situations, I could really give a ____ about individual differences between cops in this case. I've seen decent people who just happen to be cops do their jobs in similar situations and it's nothing like what I saw in the video.
NO! You are still wrong. For one thing - not all of them used a taser on him. I don't know what you think goes on inside the RCMP but it's not what you seem to think. I spent years watching many members being turned in for the simple act of shop lifting to worse degrees such as selling drugs. No one denies that the death of this man was a horrible event. No one - not one single member of the police present there expected or planned for his death.
Tell me something - you are driving down an icy road. You are even taking care to be driving slow due to the icy conditions. Someone's child or pet runs out in front of you. You hit the binders but the child or pet gets hit regardless and they die. You did not leave home with the intent to kill. You did not leave home with the intent to maim. A horrible event occurred. Should you be charged with murder or manslaughter? How would you feel after it was all over with? I know how my husband felt after years of attending those kind of accidents and more. None of this was intentional and you people have to lighten up.