Man dies after Taser shock by police at Vancouver airport
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just so I'm clear, you who are disappointed that the RCMP members involved in this death are not being charged: what would you have them charged with? murder?
I feel the same way you do about the vast majority of police- well intended people trying to do a good job under adverse conditions and strangled by technicalities in the law. One of the police involved in this taser tragedy was later found to be impaired in a traffic accident causing a fatality. To say the least you do have to wonder about this guy.
Oh and no credibility needed: the RCMP are well known throughout Canada to be scum by those who have had the misfortune of dealing with them.
Unfortunately, many Canadians have not had the pleasure and thus fail to understand what kind of fascistic human garbage their taxes are going to employ.
And I'm not going to bother siting reasons for this because they're not even worth the time. If people care to know, find out yourselves--after all, you're paying these people.
And no this is not my f-ing opinion. This is just one of the darker sides of Canadian reality.
Unfortunately, many Canadians have not had the pleasure and thus fail to understand what kind of fascistic human garbage their taxes are going to employ.
And I'm not going to bother siting reasons for this because they're not even worth the time. If people care to know, find out yourselves--after all, you're paying these people.
And no this is not my f-ing opinion. This is just one of the darker sides of Canadian reality.
Please refrain from the language. While you may not agree with how this turned out, wishing that someone "took out" the officers is not the way to describe your displeasure on the ruling.
Oh, one more thing. My late uncle was an RCMP officer and calling him scum and a facist piece of garbage is very insulting to me. While you may not like what happened in the airport(and they should have been punished), not all RCMP officers can be painted with the same brush.
Island pacific; I know some things all too well, and I question a lot of things too. It's not my wish to hang the police members either, the problems go a lot further up the totem pole than these four guys, but still, following orders is no excuse for doing the wrong thing.
The RCMP, or local police ARE the airport security. With all due respect to the Corps of Commissionares, (who are the only security at smaller locations), they are mainly retired police or military, and are relegated to traffic control or manning entrances to restricted areas. BTW the security screeners are not airport security, in case you were thinking of them, and they are posted at the entrance, not the exit, near were Robert Dziekanski was.
You have a closer relationship to law enforcement than I do, though a few of the younger generation of my relatives are now entering the business. There are some systemic problems within the various forces, and they flow from the top. These are the same problems that plague every large organisation, it is just that law enforcement can and does use force, sometimes lethal force, and that makes the news.
If people could learn from this tragedy at least another one could be avoided, but I don't see that happening. Too many people either will not take initiative or responsibility. Especially now in the post 9/11 hysteria era, people close ranks and take the "its not my job", "I'm not authorised", "everyone is suspect", "call the authorities", attitude. Once the authorities are called, there is no wiggle room, as Mr. Dziekanski found out.
Questioning too much is a career killer, I've done it tactfully enough, but pushing against the lethargy and inertia of government or large organisations with little result does wear you down.
As we want "criminals" to pay a higher and higher price for their misdoings, innocent people will get caught in the cross fire. I agree that a Taser ( Stun Gun ) is a lethal as a baton or regular gun misused. Reality is that given too much power any person will abuse a instrument handed to then if told it is not "dangerous". The fact that Taser Corporation may not be telling the whole truth as a business case to sell more Stun Guns makes them as responsible as all others. Those who did not test properly the device, hand over documentation and those who use the tool without reporting it. Abuse of these items is the concern of all citizens and should be. Yesterday it was someone nobody really knew, tomorrow it maybe your family ( son, daughter, father, mother ) who is the victim.. The police can put you in jail for harming yourself but in turn can harm or kill you with a tool they presently know is dangerous. You would think they would use discretion in this device and perhaps qualify it further before putting it back into operation.
Good decision. I read the report. Lots of police haters here. The police should not have been charged. The taser was not the cause of death - as usual. But most Canadians are such wimps that when a police officer uses force they whimper and whine and cry police brutality. Very simple. He brought his own death upon himself. The police are in no way to blame. If he was in any other country he would have been shot dead. Stop being such cry babies!
Shouldn't that be 'regular gun used properly'?
If the electric model is considered non-lethal why can't everybody pack 1 (not concealed, it would have to be visible just so you couldn't provoke somebody to take a swing at you just so you could 'defend' yourself.)?
I think it's nuts to have the same outfit doing the investigation that the perps belonged to in the first place. Let me rob a bank and then hire me to do the investigation about the robbery.
Why was the word of one of the accused taken for granted about only having tasered the guy once, while there was ignored witness testimony saying he tasered 4 times?
Why was the word of one of the accused taken for granted about only having tasered the guy once, while there was ignored witness testimony saying he tasered 4 times?
I agree, but who? Maybe with all the digital cameras being packed around these days, a lot of the problem cases will get sorted out. Short of the Pope, it would be hard to find anyone suitable, and then that probably wouldn't even work given all the activity going on in the Catholic run schools.
Here we digress, Barney, I've dealt with them several times on different issues- always found them to be concerned and understanding even when the problem was beyond their scope.
Complete nonsense!
Watch the video for God's sake. Four big Mounties wrestled the guy to the floor and one of them kneeled on his neck, and that is probably what killed him, though the taser likely didn't help. This was a guy who was for ten hours, virtually incommunicado in a foreign country by himself in a security room. The police assaulted this guy and the guy died as a result. Who else is to blame? Shot dead? He wasn't even armed.
The report reflecting the decision said he was armed.....he picked up a stapler!!!!!
Okay, fine.
How many times did they taser him? Was it 5?????
One of the officers alledgedly was heard asking "Can I taser him?" before they were even in sight of the man.
FOUR cops. Gimme a break. I guess being a Nervous Nellie is part of the requirement for the PC RCMP nowadays......
This entire thing is ludicrous........