Liberal phobia and the cause….

AnnaG

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For that to work, most wealthy people must agree to donate the money, an impossible task. A much better solution is to get rid fo the perpetrator, namely the Conservative government.
oooaaah! We is good. They is bad. ooooaaah! Just like an extremist Muslim, we are good, they are infidels.:roll: Seems to me G Dumbya had the same either/or viewpoint, too. "If'n you isn't mah fren, you is muh inimy".
 

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oooaaah! We is good. They is bad. ooooaaah! Just like an extremist Muslim, we are good, they are infidels.:roll: Seems to me G Dumbya had the same either/or viewpoint, too. "If'n you isn't mah fren, you is muh inimy".
Most libs are like that they will rant against the Conservative government wy of taxing but when it comes to them they all say this.....:lol:
YouTube - I'm Entitled To My Entitlements - David Dingwall
 

AnnaG

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Harper government is taking from the poor and giving to the rich. In my opinion that is wrong, though that is the classic conservative philosophy.
Wrong again, as usual.
Classical conservative philosophy according to the Encyclopedia Britannica:
"Political attitude or ideology denoting a preference for institutions and practices that have evolved historically and are thus manifestations of continuity and stability."
Basically, "What always worked before will continue to work in the future." There's no classical philosophy of any kind in Canada any more.

"A bird that always flies in the fog is called a ' dingbat'." - Archie Bunker
 
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SirJosephPorter

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But it's not wrong for you personally to take that money and keep it, knowing where it comes from.
As you have said.

What I do with my money is my business. In a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme, the initial suckers actually make money. The swindler takes from more and more people, gives some of it to a few and pockets the rest (which is exactly what Harper is doing). But when the Ponzi fraud is discovered, you don’t demand that the initial participants, who have actually benefited from the Ponzi scheme, return the money. You blame the Ponzi swindler, cease his assets and try to compensate the victims.

Or suppose somebody wins the lottery. A reporter does an investigative article, in that she uncovers that many poor people went without food (or in USA, went without medical care) and bought the lottery tickets. People suffered hardships and bought the tickets. You don’t demand that the lottery winner return the money or donate it to charity.

The money I get by legitimate means is mine to do as I choose.
 

AnnaG

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No it is not. Transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich is always wrong. And that transfer is going on in a big way under Harper.
So it's wrong if Harper does it, but it wasn't wrong for Martin or Chretien to do it. uhuh :roll:
 

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"No it is not. Transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich is always wrong."

EUREKA- That is the stupidest statement for this week so far. The poor don't have wealth.
 

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"Europe is doing fine, ironsides. So is Canada."

You should quit talking out of both sides of your mouth and decide which way you want it. I would suggest going by what you said originally Harper should be praised and lauded for the fine economic shape we are in. When it suits you we are doing fine and when it otherwise suits you Harper has us drowned in debt that will take 20 generations of our descendends 3000 years to pay. Which way is it S.J.? Are we like Germany or are we like Greece? Make up your mind.
 

AnnaG

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"No it is not. Transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich is always wrong."

EUREKA- That is the stupidest statement for this week so far. The poor don't have wealth.
lmao Good point.
 

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Liberalism is bankrupting States like it is doing to countries in Europe. Liberalism is like a creeping fungus on life that steals from you with out any benefit other than to itself.

California, New York and other states are showing many of the same signs of debt overload that recently took Greece to the brink -- budgets that will not balance, accounting that masks debt, the use of derivatives to plug holes, and armies of retired public workers who are counting on benefits that are proving harder and harder to pay.

And states are responding in sometimes desperate ways, raising concerns that they, too, could face a debt crisis.
New Hampshire was recently ordered by its State Supreme Court to put back $110 million that it took from a medical malpractice insurance pool to balance its budget. Colorado tried, so far unsuccessfully, to grab a $500 million surplus from Pinnacol Assurance, a state workers' compensation insurer that was privatized in 2002. It wanted the money for its university system and seems likely to get a lesser amount, perhaps $200 million.

state-debt-woes-grow-too-big-to-camouflage: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

“Liberalism is bankrupting States like it is doing to countries in Europe. Liberalism is like a creeping fungus on life that steals from you with out any benefit other than to itself.
California, New York and other states are showing many of the same signs of debt overload that recently took Greece to the brink -- “

CRAP.........................................................BIG CRAP........................................


Good day Ironside, before you start throwing rocks on Liberalism, understand one thing. California is on the ROCKS because of the Conservatives, Arnold is a Republican followed Bushes arithmetic, and brought the Golden State of America Californian to a state of bankrupts, Like Bush did to the entire country. New York Juliany was a Conservative ( RIPUBLICAN ) and left a finacial mess behind as well....

As for Greece, the same thing took place there the Greek people made the most serious electoral mistake in their Life’s by voting a Conservative Government identical stupid economic principals like (Mulroney) for two terms, a bunch of right wing idiot nut bars who lied to them Like Harpers did to Canadians in the past 4 years , “ no deficits “ and they did the opposite, sink the country into a debt that send Greece looking for help, in the European Union and the US.

Liberalism was not the cause but rather stupid Conservatism Arithmetic and lying political tactics in an effort to hold on to uninitiated power.

If you want to talk social benefit, the Liberals are on record protecting the Canadian common man, by introducing four key mechanisms in Canada to protect human rights: the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act, the Canadian Human Rights Commission, and provincial human rights laws and legislation.
Also Prime Minister, Pearson's minority government introduced universal health care, student loans, the Canada Pension Plan, the Order of Canada, and the current Canadian flag.
You see Iroside Liberalism is not a fungus, it is a sound political way taking care of the common man. . So admitting you are wrong is a good start.
 

CDNBear

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CRAP.........................................................BIG CRAP........................................
Now, now Soc Puppet, you don't want to have to apologise again do you?

If you want to talk social benefit, the Liberals are on record protecting the Canadian common man, by introducing four key mechanisms in Canada to protect human rights: the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the Canadian Human Rights Act, the Canadian Human Rights Commission, and provincial human rights laws and legislation.


Those protect very few Soc Puppet. In fact a fair and resoned case has been made, that the latter have infringed on the rights of the "common man".

Not to mention that the LPoC, which is not a fair example of Liberalism, feel that the "common man" isn't capable of thinking for himself. Hence the LPoC not being the bastion of the "common man".

YouTube - Beer and Popcorn Liberal Scott Reid

Also Prime Minister, Pearson's minority government introduced universal health care, student loans, the Canada Pension Plan, the Order of Canada, and the current Canadian flag.
Yep, and he was the last true Liberal PM this country ever saw.
You see Iroside Liberalism is not a fungus, it is a sound political way taking care of the common man. SYou see Iroside Liberalism is not a fungus, it is a sound political way taking care of the common man.
I wasn't worth saying the first time, let alone repeating twice more. And yes, Liberalism is good for the common man, but the LPoC isn't.

So admitting you are wrong is a good start.o admitting you are wrong is a good start.
Yes Soc Puppet, keep repeating that to yourself until you get it.
 

AnnaG

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Good day Ironside, before you start throwing rocks on Liberalism, understand one thing. California is on the ROCKS because of the Conservatives, Arnold is a Republican
Excuse me?


Inquiring minds are asking "Why Is California Broke?" It's a good question. Please consider ...



  • California has the 3rd highest state income tax in the nation: 9.55% tax bracket at $47,055 and 10.55% at $1,000,000 - Tax Foundation 2010 State Business Tax Climate Table 2
  • California has the highest state sales tax rate in the nation by far at 8.25%. Indiana is next highest at 7%. Table 15
  • California corporate income tax rate is 17th worst in the nation with a rate of 8.84%. - However, of the non graduated states, only Pennsylvania at 9.99%, Rhode Island at 9.0%, and the District of Columbia at 9.98% are higher. One size fits all (and a very high one at that) is exceptionally hard on small businesses. Table 8 and Table 2
  • California ranks 13th best in property taxes. However proposition 13 causes massive distortions for new buyers. Table 2
  • California has the fourth highest capital gains tax 9.55%. - Capital Gains Tax Rates By State
  • California has the highest gasoline tax as of January 2010, averaging 65 cents/gallon. The national average is 47.4% - API Motor Fuel Taxes
  • California has one of the highest state vehicle license car taxes, 1.15% per year on value of vehicle, up from 0.65% in 2008. [expired link]

So where's the money going?


  • 1 in 5 in LA County receiving public aid, nearly 2.2 million people as of February 2009. 20% in Los Angeles County receive public aid
  • California has 12% of the nation’s population, but 36% of the country’s TANF (“Temporary” Assistance for Needy Families) welfare recipients – more than the next 8 states combined. Unlike other states, this “temporary” assistance becomes much more permanent in CA. July, 2009 California has more recipients in key welfare category than next eight states combined.
  • California prison guards highest paid in the nation. The maximum pay of California's prison guards is nearly 40 percent higher than that of the highest-paid guards in 10 other states and the federal government, according to a study by the California Department of Personnel Administration. Cal-Taxletter
  • California teachers easily the highest paid in the nation. National Education Association
  • California now has the lowest bond ratings of any state, two steps above junk. The new rating affects about $72 billion of general obligation and lease-supported bonds. July 15 California bond rating cut again
  • California ranks 44th worst in “2008 lawsuit climate.” Institute For Legal Reform
  • California, a destitute state, still gives away college education at fire sale prices. California community college tuition is by far the lowest in the nation. Nationwide, the average community college tuition is 4.5 times higher than California CC’s. This ridiculously low tuition devalues education to students – resulting in a 30+% drop rate for class completion. Moreover, 2/3 of California CC students pay no tuition at all – filling out a simple unverified “hardship” form that exempts them from any tuition payment, or receiving grants and tax credits for their full tuition. [Expired Link]
  • California offers thousands of absolutely free adult continuing education classes. In San Diego, over 1,400 classes for everything from baking pastries to ballroom dancing are offered totally at taxpayer expense. San Diego Continuing Education
  • California residential electricity costs 13.81 cents per kilowatthour. The national average is 6.99-8.49. US Department of Energy
  • It costs 38% more to build solar panels in California than in Tennessee – which is why European corporations have invested $2.3 billion in two Tennessee manufacturing plants to build solar panels for our state. March 5, 2009 More Solar Companies Producing Elsewhere to Sell to California

The above lists reformatted and reordered from a list compiled by Richard Rider, Chairman, San Diego Tax Fighters
Most of those reasons have nothing to do with conservatism or Republicanism and a lot to do with social liberalism. And it started before SHortzpecker got in.

I could probably take apart the rest of your fallacious arguments, but I don't feel like it.
In Canada Turdeau started the habit of big debt.
 

CDNBear

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Excuse me?


Most of those reasons have nothing to do with conservatism or Republicanism and a lot to do with social liberalism. And it started before SHortzpecker got in.

I could probably take apart the rest of your fallacious arguments, but I don't feel like it.
In Canada Turdeau started the habit of big debt.
There's a reason it's called the left coast.

Of course that's lost on people like the Soc Puppet.
 

ironsides

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Europe is doing fine, ironsides. So is Canada. You give example of Greece. But what about Germany, France, Britain? Are they drowning in debt like Greece? Greece is a small country of 11 million population and as such forms a small part of Europe. Most of the European countries, while having debt (many of them smaller debt than USA) are far from drowning in debt or are on the brink.

Greece makes international news because it is a separate country. However you gave example of New York or California. Both are much bigger than Greece and have problem similar to Greece. They do not make international news because they are part of USA and not independent countries.

So you are magnifying problem faced by Greece all out of proportion and thereby implying that Europe is in trouble. Nothing of the sort. Most of European countries are doing just fine.

For that matter, what about Canada? According to Teabaggers, Canada would be at least a fully Socialist country, if not a fully Communist country. Socialist or Communist Canada is doing much better than USA.

It is not the liberals who are ruining USA; it is the Americans who are ruining USA.

You know SJP, there are very few people on this site who cannot get themselves a drink of water without looking for some self gratification and acceptance by others. Europe and Canada are not doing fine. Canada maybe doing a little better than most, but are still tied to what ever happens here in the U.S. I will grant you that Canada has a fairly safe banking system, but it is not that safe to be immune to whatever happens here in the U.S..
As for Europe, they will be in extreme trouble unless they also start make the cutbacks that Greece is facing. The free ride is over for the liberals, even Obama is starting to understand it a little. List of 10 countries in major debt: Austria, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland, Ireland, Netherlands, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.

http://www.aneki.com/countries.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_External_Debts_in_Europe&table=fb176&places=*&unit=*&order=desc&dependency=independent&number=5&cntdn=y&r=-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19&c=europe&measures=Country--External Debt (US Dollars)&units=*--$&decimals=*--*&file=europe_external_debt

You ought to stop trying to deflect others faults to the U.S., we know our debt and will take care of it. You may not like all our policies, but you have accepted enough. Now as to your expertise about how we function and policies, it takes more than a few years as a college student to learn that. By the way, we are pretty much bigger in population than all of Europe (Russia excluded), so all of European countries (Russia excluded) are pretty small also.


I was just referring to Europe, and there they are right behind the U.S. all in a row,

Top Countries with the Highest External Debts 2010. Pretty close to now's figures.

http://www.aneki.com/countries.php?t=Countries_with_the_Highest_External_Debts_in_Europe&table=fb176&places=*=*&order=desc&decimals=&dependency=independent&number=all&cntdn=asc&r=-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19&c=&measures=Country--External&file=
 
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