Liberal phobia and the cause….

[wulfie68]

I personally don’t feel it right that we should in effect take money from poor and lower middle classes (but of course if somebody gives me money, I will take it). Everybody is giving 1000 $ to Harper, the poor and lower middle classes get very little of it back. Upper middle class and rich get much more than their share. That just isn’t right.

Well, if you feel so bad about it, nothing's stopping you from donating the money you're saving on taxes to your United Way, foodbanks, or other charities...

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Well, if you feel so bad about it, nothing's stopping you from donating the money you're saving on taxes to your United Way, foodbanks, or other charities...

We already donate a fair bit to charities. We also sponsor two little girls in India (through World Vision). The money we provide pays for their food, clothing, education etc. Education (even primary education) is not free in India; the parents have to pay a fee. Also students have to bring their own textbooks and all the supplies. The school provides nothing, not even a desk. In most rural areas, kids sit on the floor, only the teacher has a desk.

But that is not the point. The point is that under Harper (indeed as under any conservative government) there is a flow of wealth from the poor to the rich. That is not right, and cannot be put right by any amount of charity donations.

 

[JLM]

JLM your Liberal phobia is obvious, we are discussing why some people have a profound phobia towards the Liberals, you start the Death penalty thread and you side track to abortion morality. Politics is fun as long as no one threatens any one which is not the case here. So your political algebra above is humorous. Why stop the thread.?:canada:

Don't be silly. For one thing I'm not a political person. For a second Liberals and Conservatives are all the same to me, both could use a lot of improvement. Third, when I vote I generally pick who I think is the best local candidate (hoping against hope that's he's reputable and competent) as I know the leaders aren't.

 

[lone wolf]

That is a private member's bill and doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of passing. It is very rare indeed for a private member's bill to become a law. That is simply conservative talking point, something they use to raise money. Nothing more.

The point of private member's bill is to generate discussion. Then if the idea is worthwhile, one of the two major political parties may take it on board and pass it when they come to power.

But to claim that the bill is as good as passed, is conservative propaganda, nothing more. Something with which to scare the rubes into donating to the Conservative Party.

Did you hear about about the Liberal plan to overhaul OAS? "Liberals call for pension reform" - Ujjal Dosanjh.... (course not. You don't have the ability)

Great Conservative, isn't he?

The only party Canada needs involves a great big boat and a load of party politicians ... and a sea full of sharks.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Don't be silly. For one thing I'm not a political person. For a second Liberals and Conservatives are all the same to me, both could use a lot of improvement. Third, when I vote I generally pick who I think is the best local candidate (hoping against hope that's he's reputable and competent) as I know the leaders aren't.

JLM, all good except one thing, voting for a local guy blinds the prospective, the packs history tells allot about the local guy. The local guy could tell his constituency, I will be your guardian angel, but if the top man of the pack (your guys boss) tells him to be quiet and follow party line. Then you have been cheated.:canada:

 

[CDNBear]

JLM, all good except one thing, voting for a local guy blinds the prospective, the packs history tells allot about the local guy.

I think you place to much power in the PMO.

The local guy could tell his constituency, I will be your guardian angel, but if the top man of the pack (your guys boss) tells him to be quiet and follow party line. Then you have been cheated.:canada:

And there in a nut shell, you have the Canadian political scene...there may actually be hope for you yet.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Did you hear about about the Liberal plan to overhaul OAS? "Liberals call for pension reform" - Ujjal Dosanjh.... (course not. You don't have the ability)

Great Conservative, isn't he?

The only party Canada needs involves a great big boat and a load of party politicians ... and a sea full of sharks.

Good day LW, and then after all politicians are eaten by the sharks, who is going to take care of the peoples business, poker players or mechanics?.:smile:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I think you place to much power in the PMO.

And there in a nut shell, you have the Canadian political scene...there may actually be hope for you yet.

Good day pal, I am hoping,:smile::canada:

 

[CDNBear]

Good day LW, and then after all politicians are eaten by the sharks, who is going to take care of the peoples business, poker players or mechanics?.:smile:

I like farmers for the job. Back when farmers were the dominant force in Canadian politics, shyte just seemed to get done.

 

[lone wolf]

JLM, all good except one thing, voting for a local guy blinds the prospective, the packs history tells allot about the local guy. The local guy could tell his constituency, I will be your guardian angel, but if the top man of the pack (your guys boss) tells him to be quiet and follow party line. Then you have been cheated.:canada:

So, why in Hell have you been nagging over these many pages about how great the gang thinking of party politics is?

 

[CDNBear]

So, why in Hell have you been nagging over these many pages about how great the gang thinking of party politics is?

I'm willing to wager the answer you get won't be the right answer...:lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Good day LW, and then after all politicians are eaten by the sharks, who is going to take care of the peoples business, poker players or mechanics?.:smile:

People with brains where gang mentality used to be.

 

[JLM]

JLM, all good except one thing, voting for a local guy blinds the prospective, the packs history tells allot about the local guy. The local guy could tell his constituency, I will be your guardian angel, but if the top man of the pack (your guys boss) tells him to be quiet and follow party line. Then you have been cheated.:canada:

I don't see where it makes any difference- all the local candidates will probably be told to toe the party line and one of the local candidates is going to get elected. There is not much use even considering who the leader is, we all know he's bound to be an A$$hole, so personally on the Federal level I don't much care which party gets in but between the four local guys who are going to be toeing the party line, I'd at least vote for the one who I think is the least of the four evils.

 

[AnnaG]

Are you a racist making fun of natives? Not nice...

I am half Anishinaabe ande half Irish, Risus, that makes me human. I can make fun of humans. Not that I was making fun of homo sapiens this time, I was mimicking cavemen. Ug. If you meant was I being a bigot, then the answer is "yes" because I think homo sapiens is a better human than cavemen..

 

[AnnaG]

CB show me were the Conservatives since Confederation are on record to show 57 years between 4 men of rule, and tell me why that hasn’t happened in 147 years .

Longevity does not necessarily precipitate wisdom. Longevity does not necessarily precipitate quality either. Straw man arguments do not precipitate wins in debates.
Soddam Insane ruled Iraq from 1979 till 2003. That's longevity (24 years) and he was so good at it, wasn't he?
Stalin ruled USSR from 1922 till 1953. That's a long time (31 years) and he was such a great guy, right?

 

[AnnaG]

That last paragraph is what creates hardship, in society, the ones who get shoved to the bottom are many, they need food, clothing, they need health care, they need housing, they need jobs. ...................when the poor suffer from these essentials the country or the politicians responsible don’t have much to be proud about, at the end of the day.
And that is hardship, huge operating deficits as well sky high National debt create huge hardship on the majority of the poor while the majority of the Rich ( Corporations ) rape the rewards of exploitation. for sure that is not right.:x

So is that why Martin decided to screw the poor and the middle class by crippling their education and health care for a decade just for the sake of balancing the books for a year?

 

[AnnaG]

Has someone threatened? Maybe you should report it....

My six-year-old grand daughter sat with me while the news was on Friday. In one news item - a recap of the budget speech - McGuinty was speaking on something-or-other. From across the room he was being shouted down - the usual procedure from these respectable examples of responsible society. She asked why they were fighting, whereupon I explained they were Liberals and Conservatives and NDPs. Now, at school that day, they had a policeman in class speaking on bullying and gangs - exactly to which she likened the Legislature.

If a six-year-old can figure it out ... why can't the partyliners?

Because they have these things called filters over their lenses which modify what they see. You might say they wear bifocals, where half the lenses are rosy and the other half are grey, dark, and dismal. So they look at their particular party through the rosy half and anything else through the dark and grey half. lol

 

[AnnaG]

I personally don’t feel it right that we should in effect take money from poor and lower middle classes (but of course if somebody gives me money, I will take it). Everybody is giving 1000 $ to Harper, the poor and lower middle classes get very little of it back. Upper middle class and rich get much more than their share. That just isn’t right.

Well, if you feel so bad about it, nothing's stopping you from donating the money you're saving on taxes to your United Way, foodbanks, or other charities...

Yeah, but it's perfectly ok for Martin to have screwed education, health care, and various other programs while giving his rich buddies nice gifts.

 

[AnnaG]

We already donate a fair bit to charities. We also sponsor two little girls in India (through World Vision). The money we provide pays for their food, clothing, education etc. Education (even primary education) is not free in India; the parents have to pay a fee. Also students have to bring their own textbooks and all the supplies. The school provides nothing, not even a desk. In most rural areas, kids sit on the floor, only the teacher has a desk.

But that is not the point. The point is that under Harper (indeed as under any conservative government) there is a flow of wealth from the poor to the rich. That is not right, and cannot be put right by any amount of charity donations.

Yet Martin did the same as what you describe and you think it's perfectly fine. uke: :tard:

 

[AnnaG]

JLM, all good except one thing, voting for a local guy blinds the prospective, the packs history tells allot about the local guy. The local guy could tell his constituency, I will be your guardian angel, but if the top man of the pack (your guys boss) tells him to be quiet and follow party line. Then you have been cheated.:canada:

That's the problem with a two party, first-past-the-post country which BOTH the Glibs and Cons want to perpetuate.