Liberal phobia and the cause….
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We have established that you indeed are a conservative, JLM. You finally admitted that in one of your posts (though it was like pulling teeth to get that admission out of you). I believe you said something like 'conservative way is the right way'. Like many conservatives here, you seem to be ashamed of the label .Now me, I am a liberal and I don’t mind shouting it from the rooftop.
GST cut is more tax cut for the rich than for anybody else. The rich man who wants to buy a 200,000 $ Rolls saves 2000 $ if there is a 1% GST cut. The single mother on welfare saves squat, since most of her income is spent on the necessities of life and there is no GST on those.
Quite so, bob. I think the NW Clause is what makes the Charter such a great document, the best document of its kind in the world. While enumerating the basic rights, making them sacrosanct (it is practically impossible to amend the Charter), it clearly establishes the superiority of the elected Parliament over the appointed Supreme Court.
And that is as it should be. At the same time, the NW Clause must be used sparingly, only in emergency (and only if there is a broad consensus in the country for its use). When a PM uses the NW clause, he is abrogating part of the constitution. He in effect says that notwithstanding what the constitution says, the law will be such and such in defiance of the constitution.
So NW is a nuclear option, and must be used only in emergencies. And the PMs are clearly aware of this; the NW Clause has never been used federally. Nevertheless, it is an essential Clause and it is what makes our Charter great.
You're quite right - we have different tastes in humour, for sure. I used to sit around with my Asian buddies - in Asia - (Japanese, Chinese, and Korean) and we'd all recite our favourite jokes about each other. I'm sure you would have been horrified. In fact, we'd do it in 2 or 3 languages, and making humour "stick" in a foreign language is a real challenge in most cases. Usually it doesn't translate directly or well, so telling jokes in multiple languages is great linguistic exercise.
It was a lot of fun for us, and we all agreed that they're just a bunch of words. Some maintain that it's a bit of a "culture study" when you get into the local humour and prejudices. However, one has to be flexible, caring of others, understanding of human nature, and fast on their feet to be able to function in an environment like that. You never know when the "politically correct" types might be lurking in the wings, waiting to pounce and spoil an otherwise perfectly good time.
Anyway, the next day, we'd all be back at work, getting along just fine, never having lost respect for each other at any time.
If anything, surfacing prejudices through humour can go a long way toward eliminating racial prejudices, in my opinion. Taking a particular trait to an extreme and making light of it is obvious satire to many people. Then there are those who are just waiting for an excuse to scream about political incorrectness, racial prejudice, and all the rest of it. In some cases, they cause more problems than they solve.
Russell Peters (the Canadian-born comedian) has carved out a pretty fine career making fun of various cultures and I think he probably does more good in one concert than much of the legislation that has ever been written.
That's just my opinion, of course. I know you disagree, but hey, we're all different. That's what makes the world an interesting and "colorful" place.
And to relate this point to the thread topic, it is the extreme politically-correct liberal types that react in shock and horror to such goings-on are the ones that are responsible for "Liberalphobia", in my opinion. They're just not doing anyone much good at all.
Bull****! Anyone half a sniff of business sense knows you buy a Rolls under your business entity, put your business card on the dash as "advertising", park it in a rental garage, use your depreciation credits then sell it to yourself 4 years later.
Me, my wife and my daughter all drive brand new 4 year old vehicles.
Who is it indebted? I don't know, to China maybe. And the debt is the result of deficits mainly run by Trudeau, Mulroney and Harper.
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Yes, that would make sense. Many Liberals share that particular trait, especially when things aren't going their way. When those noise levels begin to peak at the usual screeching levels, the phobia kicks in for us thoughtful, more reserved, well-mannered, caring, considerate, conservative types. :lol:
Sorry countryboy, but telling racist, sexist, homophobic jokes may be your idea of humour, it isn’t mine. When I want to laugh I prefer to laugh with somebody rather than laugh at somebody.
To make fun of a person (other than a politician or somebody in public life) shows to me the narrowness of mind and extreme prejudice.
I don't care who the puppet at the time was.
It's easy to jump up and say "China" isn't it?
How much was debt to Bank of Canada before the debt was sold to the domestic banks?
How much is the debt to domestic banks like Royal?
For instance how much money has Royal Bank created out of thin air then lend out as student loans that millions of Canadians are paying compunding interest on and taxpayers are paying capital and compounding interest on those who offset and defaulted on their loans?
Do you think I can name another 10,000 or so similar deals where domestic banks are loaning our Govt money at compounding interest when we could use the Bank of Canada and create the money ourselves and pay ourselves interest?
Sadly I can.
And surprisingly, many cosnervatives are ashamed of the label. Now, you proclaim yourself to be a conservative, fair enough. And your post here clearly exhibits your political partisanship.
But there are many Harper acolytes here who are ashamed to call themselves conservative, I will never understand why.
Yes, I know. For some of us, it shows the exact opposite. I will concede that it does take a lot of worldly experience and people skills to see the bigger picture.
I see you sneaked "sexist" and "homophobic" in there, but I caught it. Nice try. It's little tricks like that which only add to the L/phobia issue.
Nor will I. Hell, when you have a skilled, intelligent performer like that running the country, you should be proud of it. It's possible the acolytes are being low-key in order to avoid the verbal wrath of Liberal fanatics. Oops, there goes that phobia thing again.
We do agree on something, though you do go a bit overboard on some points. It is not a great document, the Supreme Court does believe they have dominion over us and our elected representatives are so loathe to use the Nw clause that it almost makes it inneffectual. The only time the NW clause has been used is in the case of language laws in Quebec. My belief is that it should be used far more often.
Quite so, countryboy. If you are a conservative, shout it from the rooftop, be proud of what you are. If Harper indeed is your Messiah, don't be ashamed to say so. But for some reason, many conservatives here claim to be unbiased. And they support Harper each and every time, without fail.
Good point. And I think more and more of them are supressing their "acloyte-ness" in public, which should result in a major surprise during the next election. I can hardly wait!
(By the way, I don't think he's my Messiah...I just think he's doing a pretty good job, given the conditions, and that he is a good, level-headed PM)
That is where we disagree. The right wing of the Conservative Party feels the way you do. Randy White proclaimed this view in an interview and it cost Harper his first election.
In my opinion, NW Clause should be used only in an emergency and only if at least two parties (preferably three) in the House of Commons agree (and if there is a broad support for it in the country). The Constitution is not just some piece of paper which the PM may ignore at his whim; invoke the NW Clause whenever he feels like it. That will make the Charter useless.
In principle, a PM could bring back slavery and then override the Supreme Court with NW Clause. While I think NW Clause is a very good idea, I also think that it is best left unused.