Liberal phobia and the cause….

L Gilbert

Winterized
Nov 30, 2006
23,738
107
63
70
50 acres in Kootenays BC
the-brights.net

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
When does being proactive cross over into police-statism? Gettin' close!

Well, that depends upon the situation. It may make sense to be proactive during the holiday season and carry out random checks, to curb drunk driving. But to carry out random checks al the time would be carrying things too far.
 

bobnoorduyn

Council Member
Nov 26, 2008
2,262
28
48
Mountain Veiw County


??? :-? ???

Yup, that's good enough for me, for now. I just don't have the time or energy to get into it further. BTW, my youngest is in your fair city for training, she now remembers why she missed Saskatchewan, I never forgot.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
And ironically it was the Liberal who a few think can't do much wrong that brought in the idiotic gun control.............Now THAT is harrassment.

Gun control is by no means idiotic, JLM. There is strict gun control in all the developed countries except USA (and Switzerland). Some of them have stricter gun control than Canada (e.g. Great Britain or Australia).

Ready availability of guns is an Americanism, a hold over from the Wild West, shoot from the hip mentality.

USA is virtually alone among developed countries in having no gun control, in many places, it is easier to buy a gun that to buy a loaf of bread. USA also has one of the highest crime rates in the developed world. I think the two are connected.

Even in Canada, I think gun ownership is much higher in the West, and crime is also much higher in the West, compared to Ontario and Quebec. Coquitlam is the murder capital of Canada (or at least it used to be, I don't know which is the murder capital now, but you may be sure it is in the west).

I for one am glad that Liberals gave us gun control. I am totally opposed to the conservative shoot from the hip, shoot first, ask questions later mentality.
 

bobnoorduyn

Council Member
Nov 26, 2008
2,262
28
48
Mountain Veiw County
I don't care how you explain it nor who agrees with you, there are both left-wing and right-wing authoritarians. There are both right-wing and left-wing libertarians, too.

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Left-wing politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, wikipedia, I trust them. You know that Maurice Strong wants control of Wikipedia don't you? Google him, he's a scary guy, former president of Power Corp, the guy who helped Paul Martin buy CSL, the king maker of Canadian politics and now in the UN. The left loves to confuse us for their own gain. Don't be fooled.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
Religious right, in the context you use, is an oxymoron. It is just another label, and an obfuscating one at that. They are also left on the political spectrum.

By your definition, bob (and may be an academic definition given in some book). But that is not how left and right is characterized these days.

Indeed, religious left is totally different from religious right. The favorite issues of religious right are abortion, homosexuality, contraception, Creationism, pornography, death penalty, privatized medicine etc.

The favorite issues of religious left (and there is a religious left, just that it doesn’t make as much a nuisance of itself as religious right does) are poverty, social justice, minority rights, environmentalism, global warming etc.

The term religious left has a totally different meaning from religious right.
 

bobnoorduyn

Council Member
Nov 26, 2008
2,262
28
48
Mountain Veiw County
Yup.
I'm trying to imagine Bob explaining how G Dumbya was a leftie. He was sure as hell authoritarian.

Because the charts are shyte, they over complicate things. It is far too simple, but people are paid huge amounts of money to obfuscate the truth. Get with it, we are consantantly being lied to. No wonder we are in the state we are in, no one can see the truth.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
Science fiction is mind candy, and libertarian is a label. For lack of a better term, libertarianism may best be demonstrated in Switzerland. It does not mean "no governement control", but liberty, freedom, but still having laws with which all must abide, including government.

Libertarianism means minimal government intervention. Libertarians don’t mind some intervention, such as defense, justice system, monetary system etc. (as opposed to Propertarians, who are opposed to all government intervention).

As to Switzerland, I think what they have more resembles direct democracy, rather than a Libertarian government. If fact, their recent referendum, where they banned the use of minarets on mosques, positively smacks of authoritarianism, rather than Libertarianism. A Libertarian government would not care whether Muslims used minarets in their mosques or not.

No, I can’t accept that Switzerland is a Libertarian government. It is more direct democracy.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
Science fiction is mind candy, and libertarian is a label. For lack of a better term, libertarianism may best be demonstrated in Switzerland. It does not mean "no governement control", but liberty, freedom, but still having laws with which all must abide, including government.

I don't see anything wrong with occasional candy, bob.
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
27,494
7,397
113
B.C.
Certainly in your mind .
Most people don't give much of a second thought though.
IMHO
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
25,685
9,262
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
Liberal phobia and the cause….

Even in Canada, I think gun ownership is much higher in the West, and crime is also much higher in the West, compared to Ontario and Quebec. Coquitlam is the murder capital of Canada (or at least it used to be, I don't know which is the murder capital now, but you may be sure it is in the west).


Hmmm....how 'bout Crimes committed with Guns. Who's higher? The East or the West?
 

countryboy

Traditionally Progressive
Nov 30, 2009
3,686
39
48
BC
USA is virtually alone among developed countries in having no gun control, in many places, it is easier to buy a gun that to buy a loaf of bread. USA also has one of the highest crime rates in the developed world. I think the two are connected.

Just out of curiosity, in how many cities or towns is it easier to buy a gun that to buy a loaf of bread? Do you have names? I just want to know in case I might be visiting one of the places...it would be nice to know if I have to "pack my own loaf."

Even in Canada, I think gun ownership is much higher in the West, and crime is also much higher in the West, compared to Ontario and Quebec. Coquitlam is the murder capital of Canada (or at least it used to be, I don't know which is the murder capital now, but you may be sure it is in the west). I for one am glad that Liberals gave us gun control.
Why would you be concerned? If all the guns are in the Wild West, and you're in the East (or Central part of Canada), there should be no danger to you. Are you saying you are concerned about the well-being of Westerners?


I am totally opposed to the conservative shoot from the hip, shoot first, ask questions later mentality.

I note the lower case "c" on "conservative" so I assume you mean me, along with a few others. I'll have you know that if one generally shoots from the hip (depending on the distance from the target, of course), the chances of hitting the target will be greatly decreased. "Ask questions later" is also "off the mark", if you'll excuse the pun. A good conservative would always inquire as to the political affiliation of the intended victim before making the decision to pull the trigger, just in case he/she happens to be of the "right" persuasion.

If this sounds like I'm making a parody of your statement, you're right. I figured one good turn deserves another. Besides, I like to help put smiles on faces any time I can, even though I'm a conservative type.