Liberal phobia and the cause….

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JLM said:
Sorry, didn't want to cause hard feelings. I just feel as I stated, that if the cops stop me to check for being impaired I have no problem with it. As it is it's been over 10 years since I've been stopped by a cop for anything, so I just don't see them as practicing public harassment, and with the number of idiots I observe every day on the road, for the roads to be safe there has to be closer scrutiny than there is right now. Unless a person's driving or vehicle condition catches the attention of the cops I doubt if they would stop anyone just for the sake of doing so. The one exception may be criminals known to them.
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Don't they stop people during the "holiday season?" (I can't say Christmas or we'll get off track)...Like the R.I.D.E. program or whatever it's called...
 
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bobnoorduyn said:
Well, there is no such thing as total freedom. If there is no government we are left to fend for ourselves and provide our own protection, so we aren't really free. What I feel is ideal is a balance. The forces in play today want so much control on our lives that we lose more freedom than safety is worth. The impaired driving issue is just a vehicle for the totalitarians to gain control. The gun control is a way for the state to get into your home, and a way to ensure the subservience of the populace. Arms control has always led to tyranny, it is used as a means to an end. The use of random searches allows for fishing expeditions, drinking and driving is only an excuse. Studies show that the majority of accidents involving drinking and driving, (80%) have the driver with a BAC of over 1.2, and 50% of those are over twice the legal limit. Statistics are manipulated such that even alcohol in the vehicle is listed as "alcohol as a factor". That is why we now have a legal limit of .05 in NS even though the rate of accidents involving drivers in that range are near zero. But still, we allow the state to suspend licenses, impound vehicles, and possibly now go on fishing expeditions. There are real problems out there, but harrassing everyone will not make it go away, it only gives the stae more power and makes it look like they are solving the problem, just like gun control.
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And ironically it was the Liberal who a few think can't do much wrong that brought in the idiotic gun control.............Now THAT is harrassment.
 
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countryboy said:
Posts #541 and #544 are like a breath of fresh air in Spring. Very timely, considering we're in the first day of Daylight Saving TIme.

Good work, guys - common sense, logic, realism, and good writin' all rolled into 2 posts this morning. Thank you for some excellent reading on a Sunday morning.
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I agree with your review of those two posts....no partisanship:smile:

Too many people are absolute partisans....I call them sheeple...(on both side) while it is the free non partisan voters who usually decide who is gonna run the country.
 
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BTw I like that video that Bob posted earlier...I saw it posted by Bear in another forum....and Commented that Glen Beck had been preaching that concept of a Republic at least for the last year to deaf ears on the left but you have to look past his bad acting and bells and whistles to get the message and watch the show leaving your bias behind.....
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
Quite so, Bar. That is what I have been saying all along. Obama is too conservative for Canada. If he ran in Canada, he would have to run as the leader of the Conservative Party and I would vote against him.
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rofl So if there was a god who was all powerful and could turn Canada into a virtual heaven on Earth and perfect in every way, you would not vote for it if it called itself a Conservative? Party hack. Talk about irrational bias. Incredible but extremely funny.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
That may be true in some abstract sense, bob. But that is not how it works in practice. What you are describing as far right is really Libertarianism (no government involvement of any kind), that is not conservatism.
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Yep. Right-wingers support political or social or economic petrification - things are better left unchanged. Libertarianism is the polar opposite of authoritarianism and there can be lefty authoritarianism as well as rightie authoritarianism.

Conservatives want fully as much government control as liberals do, only they want it in different areas. The areas that liberals would regulate (behavior of the corporations, minimum wage, welfare for the poor, education for everybody etc.), conservatives don't want government involvement there. The areas that liberals would leave alone (abortion, contraception, divorce, homosexuality, pornography etc.), conservatives want government control in those areas. Liberals want to regulate the boardroom, conservatives want to regulate the bedroom.

So theoretical definitions and how it works in practice are two totally different things.
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I think you are confusing Progressive Conservatism with conservatism.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
Not in my opinion JLM, but in the opinion of a great majority of Canadians. He was voted the best PM ever, you know. Also, according to the last poll taken he was liked by about 70% of Canadians.
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You have a link to the poll? And were they voicing their opinion about Turdeau the PM or Turdeau the man? And the general public have a tendency to forget a lot of mistakes PMs make. A lot of the public probably don't even know all the pros and cons of PMs. You want accuracy, look for a poll amongst economists, historians, poli-sci professors or people of that nature.
 
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bobnoorduyn said:
No, what I described as far right is closer to anarchy, libertarianism is a centrist government. And it does and has worked in practice, we just haven't seen it in so long we can't recognise it........
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Sorry, Bob. Libertarianism is approaching anarchism. Authoritarianism is the opposite aspect on the map. Left wing and right wing at opposites and they are different from libertarians and authoritarians. We can have a left-wing authoritarian, such as Stalin or a right-wing authoritarian like Franco. We can also have left-wing libertarians and right wing libertarians.
Try the quiz here, it might help clarify things for you.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
When has Libertarianism worked in practice? I can’t think of a single Libertarian government.........
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The original USA was pretty libertarian. Their founding fathers were against the authoratarianism of big gov't. Individual freedom was an ideal back then.
The Swiss government is pretty libertarian. People there pretty much do as they like because it is the people there that manage the gov't, not the other way around like in North America..
 
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Liberal phobia and the cause….

L Gilbert said:
Try the quiz here, it might help clarify things for you.
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I closest to the Dalai Lama, & the Orange. 8O





:lol::lol::lol:
 
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Ron in Regina said:
I closest to the Dalai Lama, & the Orange. 8O





:lol::lol::lol:
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I'm "graphically-challenged" (slow dial-up), but if you take your red dot and move it just over to the other side of the centre line and up just a hair, that's where I ended up. According to the chart, I don't come close to anyone famous so now my self-esteem is damaged. :lol:

Edit: I just realized my dot landed squarely on "bananas" so I'm really devastated now. :-|
 
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