Khadr to get 10.5 million payment for treason.

[pgs]

Guilt does nay matter, goodale sez khadr earned the $10mil because his charter rights were violated, I had no idea our charter protected us even if we take up arms against us in support of an enemy.
Hafta ponder the political spin if he had blown a canuck imbedded with u.s. troops to smitherines. Libs are expert at selling outhouse aromas as lavender but I feel rewarding a canuck for killing a canuck would challenge even trudough n' his hacks. Treason in canuckstan pays really well n' I'm sure the khadr clan appreciates our support.

His mother and sister are collecting welfare in Quebec , I am sure they have no reason to stop taking this free money .

 

[JLM]

but you seem to be more interested in holding onto your deficient interpretation of the term and go on about how it can be interpreted differently based on ones feelings. .

Au contraire! Interpreted based on the actual outcome of real cases! Did you not read the account of Ivan Henry that I posted? Or does that one not count for anything, how about David Milgaard? Are you one of the many who are just going to repeat the same old mistakes over and over?

His mother and sister are collecting welfare in Quebec , I am sure they have no reason to stop taking this free money .

Are his mother and sister collecting welfare in Quebec connected to any part of Omar's history?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The reasons I'm "failing" is because I've run into a couple of thick skulls, I'm guessing. I'm sure Ivan Henry could explain it to you guys much better than I can!

Hey, Bone head...............I guess you have first hand knowledge of what imbecility is like.

Sure do. That's how I recognized it in you.

 

[Decapoda]

Au contraire! Interpreted based on the actual outcome of real cases! Did you not read the account of Ivan Henry that I posted? Or does that one not count for anything, how about David Milgaard? Are you one of the many who are just going to repeat the same old mistakes over and over.

Give it up. Continuing to vigorously defend a false premise with unrelated anecdotes does not substantiate your misdirected point one iota. You obviously cannot possibly comprehend the point let alone offer anything in the way of a coherent counter argument.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Give it up. Continuing to vigorously defend a false premise with unrelated anecdotes does not substantiate your misdirected point one iota. You obviously cannot possibly comprehend the point let alone offer anything in the way of a coherent counter argument.

You gotta admit, demanding absolute, ironclad proof'd reduce the prison population.

To zero.

Might make things in society a mite hairy, but there's upsides to everything.

 

[Decapoda]

The reasons I'm "failing"....

Good for you, the first step toward moving forward positively is to admit what you've been doing isn't working.

 

[JLM]

Give it up. Continuing to vigorously defend a false premise with unrelated anecdotes does not substantiate your misdirected point one iota. You obviously cannot possibly comprehend the point let alone offer anything in the way of a coherent counter argument.

Your problem is you are intent on discounting real cases! Go talk to David Milgaard and Ivan Henry.

 

[Mowich]

Guilt does nay matter, goodale sez khadr earned the $10mil because his charter rights were violated, I had no idea our charter protected us even if we take up arms against us in support of an enemy.
Hafta ponder the political spin if he had blown a canuck imbedded with u.s. troops to smitherines. Libs are expert at selling outhouse aromas as lavender but I feel rewarding a canuck for killing a canuck would challenge even trudough n' his hacks. Treason in canuckstan pays really well n' I'm sure the khadr clan appreciates our support.

Khadr's Charter Rights kicked in when he was imprisoned in GTMO. Canada had a duty of care to step in immediately and have him transferred back to Canada. They failed in that duty and are accountable for that failure. It had nothing to do with what may or may not have happened on a battle field.

 

[JLM]

Khadr's Charter Rights kicked in when he was imprisoned in GTMO. Canada had a duty of care to step in immediately and have him transferred back to Canada. They failed in that duty and are accountable for that failure. It had nothing to do with what may or may not have happened on a battle field.

Well, that is right, War is war, people die, it's not really acceptable but you can't go blaming soldiers!

 

[captain morgan]

Au contraire! Interpreted based on the actual outcome of real cases! Did you not read the account of Ivan Henry that I posted? Or does that one not count for anything, how about David Milgaard? Are you one of the many who are just going to repeat the same old mistakes over and over?

Do you apply that identical standard of proof to all criminal cases?

Child sexual abuse, drug related violence, rape?

Give that some thought before you invoke the David Milgaard defense so liberally

Are his mother and sister collecting welfare in Quebec connected to any part of Omar's history?

It is symptomatic of the parasitical arrangement that Canada has with all kinds of folks that use the system to their advantage.

Case in point, Khadr's mother should really have been tried on charges related to not providing a standard of care to her child... Instead, the net effects of this rotten bastard's upbringing is being levied on the average tax payer.

.. A question to ponder here; how is it that Omar's brothers and sisters didn't get involved in the same manner as Omar?... They were raised by the same useless pieces of skin that Omar was, yet, they didn't star in their own episodes Afghanistan Bundt cake Confidential.

Khadr's Charter Rights kicked in when he was imprisoned in GTMO. Canada had a duty of care to step in immediately and have him transferred back to Canada. They failed in that duty and are accountable for that failure. It had nothing to do with what may or may not have happened on a battle field.

Unless Canada was prepared to invade Gitmo and/or Washington, the onus of responsibility would have rested on the authority that was in power at that time and that location.

For that matter, if we are all about jurisdiction here, why was Khadr not tried for his crimes in the nation wherein the violation occurred?

... On that note, Canada not approving of their system is in no way justification to deny Afghanistan the first kick at the cat in terms of any (deemed) crime that happened within their borders

That's not a shot against you more so than just a manner of applying an alternate perspective on the existing situation.

Well, that is right, War is war, people die, it's not really acceptable but you can't go blaming soldiers!

.... Yet, you are absolving Khadr of all of the responsibilities that are shouldered by real soldiers.

You can't have it both ways

 

[JLM]

Do you apply that identical standard of proof to all criminal cases?

Child sexual abuse, drug related violence, rape?

Give that some thought before you invoke the David Milgaard defense so liberally.

That wasn't the point of my post. I was just trying to point out to his Nibs, that just because you are judged guilty isn't 100% proof that you are in fact guilty. There's a lot of holes in Omar's case. Let's not make another mistake like was made with Henry and Milgaard. How many cases like these and Stephen Truscott do we need before people smarten up?

 

[captain morgan]

That wasn't the point of my post. I was just trying to point out to his Nibs, that just because you are judged guilty isn't 100% proof that you are in fact guilty.

I do get the message that you are conveying and do understand the general message... On that, we do agree, however, i do not see the parallels of Milgaard's scenario as being comparable with Khadr.. That's what I am making my stand on.

There's a lot of holes in Omar's case. Let's not make another mistake like was made with Henry and Milgaard. How many cases like these and Stephen Truscott do we need before people smarten up?

Khadr is the mistake in this circumstance... As a kid, he was tainted by the philosophy and the actions that his retarded family instilled in him but that is not any excuse whatsoever that absolves him of his actions.

I don't take any pride in saying this; but as a person, Omar Khadr is likely broken beyond any hope of repair and i don't buy for one moment that he has changed in any meaningful fashion such that if he was outside of Canada and in a place like Syria or Afhganistan, he would be involved in the same activities today.

The notion that Canada's gvt or legal system would take the stand that they have actually, physically sickens me

 

[JLM]

How so?

When you've been getting tortured and water boarded for 10 years the veracity of what you will say to make it stop is quite questionable. It's not rocket science and the average kindergarten student could understand it.

I do get the message that you are conveying and do understand the general message... On that, we do agree, however, i do not see the parallels of Milgaard's scenario as being comparable with Khadr.. That's what I am making my stand on.

Your totally correct the two cases are entirely different with no parallels as to the commission of guilt, but there is a parallel as far as the reliability of witnesses and juries are concerned.

 

[captain morgan]

When you've been getting tortured and water boarded for 10 years the veracity of what you will say to make it stop is quite questionable. It's not rocket science and the average kindergarten student could understand it.

Using your own metric for proof, you can not prove, beyond a shadow of doubt that Khadr was tortured and waterboarded for 10 years.

You want it both ways except whe it doesn't support your position

Your totally correct the two cases are entirely different with no parallels as to the commission of guilt, but there is a parallel as far as the reliability of witnesses and juries are concerned.

That can work for or against Khadr (or anyone).... You had better be prepared for the possibility of a decision that you don't agree with

 

[DaSleeper]

This is an outrage.


Khadr apology, payout is an insult to all the Canadian vets who fought for our right to torture imprisoned children

By: Andrew Scheer, Leader of the Official Opposition

Today, I was outraged to hear that the Trudeau government has agreed to pay $10.5 million and issue an apology to admitted terrorist Omar Khadr. This decision is a slap in the face to all of our men and women in uniform who defend our proud Canadian values of depriving any human rights to a fifteen-year-old child soldier.

Canada wouldn’t be Canada if its soldiers didn’t fight for its government to be complicit while its ally flaunted international laws by forcing prisoners to wear sensory deprivation gear for weeks while attack dogs leapt at their chests.

Do you think Canadian soldiers fought bravely during World War II to liberate Europe from tyranny and torture from the state? Or did you think the sacrifices made by Canadian peacekeepers throughout the world were to protect people from abusive governments and non-state actors? No, not at all. Quite the opposite. They were defending Canada’s value of extra-judicial military tribunals on people deemed to be a terrorist and suspending habeas corpus and due process rights.

From Vimy Ridge to Kandahar, Canadian soldiers have valiantly fought and fallen so that a teenager with severe injuries could be denied medical treatment. To quote John McCrae’s In Flanders Fields:

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high
If ye don’t go along with the United States use of an illegal prison because you’re too scared to stand up to them,
we shall not sleep.

And let’s also not forget that 158 Canadian soldiers died in Afghanistan to defend my right to exploit their deaths for political purposes.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/0...ets-fought-right-torture-imprisoned-children/

Coming your way soon........


A quote from the "Onion".....

 

[Walter]

This idiocy will backfire on Turdoh and his Liberal party.
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[captain morgan]

Trudeau will see no upside on this action, except maybe from the fanatical, ISIS supporting demographic.

Way to go tater tot

 

[JLM]

Using your own metric for proof, you can not prove, beyond a shadow of doubt that Khadr was tortured and waterboarded for 10 years.

You're absolutely correct, there is a possibility he IS a terrorist and wasn't tortured or water boarded. All I say is you can't fully accept ANY possibility except to err on side of caution. I'd rather give him every possibility and then if he f**ks up, back in the slammer.

 

[captain morgan]

Considering the accusations made against him, in addition to his admitting to partaking in terrorist-related activities, I would make the argument that the side of caution in this case is to protect the general public and incarcerate buddy.

 

[Danbones]

Yeah, and what how about obomba and his several thousand drone murders based on profiling?
oh Ok... he gets to go to the golf club.

If the US/nato ever gets illegally invaded, gawd forbid anyone might defend themselves in anyway.

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