Khadr - Pleads Guilty to Terror Charges

[mentalfloss]

I really have no idea of the extent of Omar's guilt or innocence, but at this juncture that is not the point. The point is he was kept in limbo for 8 years in less than favourable conditions without being charged or brought to trial. Obviously the evidence to charge him was pretty shaky. :smile:

Even if it wasn't though, he would still be serving two sentences. I wonder if cap would fight to get the NATO douchebags who were collecting fingers for sport back here asap for a fair trial. Maybe we should let them stay in Kandahar for 8 years while they work out that 'legal grey area', heh.

 

[captain morgan]

It will be interesting to see what lengths our government of the day goes to ensure that sentiment remains untested once he's repatriated.

It was Khadr's defense that lobbied furiously to attempt to have that info thrown-out using your argument... Any supression (or sealing) of that info will definitely been done through Khadr's Canadian legal representation. With any luck, the freedom to info act will supercede the legal move to seal those documents and the public will get the direct info made available to them.

What will be truly interesting will be the public sentiment that is associated with that knowledge.

Even if it wasn't though, he would still be serving two sentences. I wonder if cap would fight to get the NATO douchebags who were collecting fingers for sport back here asap for a fair trial. Maybe we should let them stay in Kandahar for 8 years while they work out that 'legal grey area', heh.

Al'Q and the Taliban did have their own trial process... Didn't you see them?.. They held their summary trial via an internet feed and sawed the heads-off of the convicts for the world to see... Oh, and let's not forget that any captured soldier was dragged to death behind a truck throughout the streets of the city.

... And you bleeding-hearts bitch about poor wee Omar not getting his beauty sleep in Gitmo.

 

[geiseric]

I don't think the Canadian courts will be too anxious to legitimize any decision made in a legal grey area. Like I said, when the time comes our government of the day, whoever it is, will be in no hurry to force Kadhr's lawyers to press any more issues than they have to.

 

[mentalfloss]

Al'Q and the Taliban did have their own trial process... Didn't you see them?.. They held their summary trial via an internet feed and sawed the heads-off of the convicts for the world to see...

Link?

 

[captain morgan]

The Canadian courts and politicians are in a no-lose situation. They can, and have, absolved themselves from any responsibility related to Khadr; they can, and will, hide behind the fact that it was the American military system that bears any perceived fault. They are in the envious position to press this issue all the way to the moon if they want without any real direct repercussions.

In my opinion, we as Canadians owe the US military a round of drinks and a huge thank you for bringing to light exactly what kind of a monster Khadr really is.

Link?

Got one to prove otherwise?

 

[ironsides]

He didn't commit the crime in Canada, does anyone think he would be coming home at all if what he did was against Singapore or the Afghani's wanted tried him. He is very lucky and maybe released to Canada in a year (under the terms of the court).

 

[JLM]

Even if it's bullsh*t?

 

[captain morgan]

Even if it's bullsh*t?

Nice to see that in your infinite wisdom that you've seen fit to pass judgement.

Thanks Mr. Judge, Jury and Executioner

 

[JLM]

Nice to see that in your infinite wisdom that you've seen fit to pass judgement.

Thanks Mr. Judge, Jury and Executioner

Geez you can be thick, you are the one who is passing judgment. I've made it abundantly clear that I don't know the extent of his innocense or guilt (any more than you do), you are just ignorant enough to get sucked in by the media. :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

Geez you can be thick, you are the one who is passing judgment. I've made it abundantly clear that I don't know the extent of his innocense or guilt (any more than you do),

Careful casting stones.... All you've done in this thread is provide excuses for Khadr based an assumption of torture. The only source of that allegation is from Khadr and his lawyers. How is it that this is more than enough proof for you to condemn the US military, but when the US authorities deny those allegations, you guffaw and insist they are lying.

You weren't there and it's in khadr's best interests to lie.. It's in his lawyer's best interests tol believe those lies and not seek any kind of confirmation.

You don't like Americans or their military?.. Fine, but spare me bullsh*t. Believing an known and self-admitted terrorist that kills randomly and lies at every turn just because you have an imagined problem with the US authorities is sad and pathetic.

Mind you, it will be fun to watch folks like you twist and spin reality when the facts about Khadr are released... Maybe you might change your tune when it's someone that you know that gets victimized by a person like Khadr.

you are just ignorant enough to get sucked in by the media. :smile:

You are an old fool JLM

 

[taxslave]

You got the picture. Anyone who has been locked up, tortured (Bush himself admitted torture wasn't beyond the realm of possibility) and water boarded for 8 years isn't thinking straight anyway. He should be released NOW under strict conditions. :smile:

Sure but not in Canada. We should not have to pay for his rehabilitation assuming that is even possible.

 

[JLM]

Sure but not in Canada. We should not have to pay for his rehabilitation assuming that is even possible.

I'm of two minds about that. When other people have got in "hot water" abroad, it's our policy to jump to their aid. I'd be quite content when they commit offenses in another country to see them suffer the consequences meted out but apparently that is not the policy. :smile:

 

[geiseric]

The Canadian courts and politicians are in a no-lose situation. They can, and have, absolved themselves from any responsibility related to Khadr; they can, and will, hide behind the fact that it was the American military system that bears any perceived fault...

Canadian Federal Court has already ruled that Canada was complicit in Kadhr's torture and the effects of that breach had not been spent. Also,the Supreme Court has already ruled his Charter rights have been violated. I'd hardly can that absolution.

 

[Goober]

Careful casting stones.... All you've done in this thread is provide excuses for Khadr based an assumption of torture. The only source of that allegation is from Khadr and his lawyers. How is it that this is more than enough proof for you to condemn the US military, but when the US authorities deny those allegations, you guffaw and insist they are lying.

You weren't there and it's in khadr's best interests to lie.. It's in his lawyer's best interests tol believe those lies and not seek any kind of confirmation.

You don't like Americans or their military?.. Fine, but spare me bullsh*t. Believing an known and self-admitted terrorist that kills randomly and lies at every turn just because you have an imagined problem with the US authorities is sad and pathetic.

Mind you, it will be fun to watch folks like you twist and spin reality when the facts about Khadr are released... Maybe you might change your tune when it's someone that you know that gets victimized by a person like Khadr.






You are an old fool JLM

CM - Do you have a clear idea of how the Father ruled the family -Take a kid and preach, punish and reward for Jihad - What do you think you end up with - One fuked up kid.

As to the US -They are not always the most credible when making claims of No Torture - Would you agree or disagree?

 

[captain morgan]

Canadian Federal Court has already ruled that Canada was complicit in Kadhr's torture and the effects of that breach had not been spent. Also,the Supreme Court has already ruled his Charter rights have been violated. I'd hardly can that absolution.

The Canadian federal court will/would also rule that Canada has no ability to determine American policy. It's all well and good that the courts declare that Khadr got a crappy deal, but that was the result of another gvt, not Canada.

Canada is absolved of anything that happened to Khadr. But on that note, Khadr is able to sue the American military is he so chooses...

 

[Goober]

The Canadian federal court will/would also rule that Canada has no ability to determine American policy. It's all well and good that the courts declare that Khadr got a crappy deal, but that was the result of another gvt, not Canada.

Canada is absolved of anything that happened to Khadr. But on that note, Khadr is able to sue the American military is he so chooses...

Remember the fellow who was sent by the US to a foreign govt and tortured etc - His case was denied becasue the U Govt brings in Classified Evidence - cannot tell anyone and the case is tossed by US courts.

 

[geiseric]

The Canadian federal court will/would also rule that Canada has no ability to determine American policy. It's all well and good that the courts declare that Khadr got a crappy deal, but that was the result of another gvt, not Canada.

Canada is absolved of anything that happened to Khadr. But on that note, Khadr is able to sue the American military is he so chooses...

They ruled CANADA was COMPLICIT in torture. CSIS, to be precise. That's us and that's actionable.

 

[DaSleeper]

Citizens of convenience...............Bah! Takers...... all of them!

 

[captain morgan]

Remember the fellow who was sent by the US to a foreign govt and tortured etc - His case was denied becasue the U Govt brings in Classified Evidence - cannot tell anyone and the case is tossed by US courts.

I do recall that event. Unfortunately his name escapes me... In terms of Khadr, I would expect that the US gvt will not even hear Khadr's case, but only time will tell.

They ruled CANADA was COMPLICIT in torture. CSIS, to be precise. That's us and that's actionable.

Either Eaglesmack or Ironsides provided a link to an article that explained why Khadr's confession was acceptable to the courts. The gist is that teh court found that there was no evidence that supported Khadr's claims of torture. In fact, there was a suggestion that these claims were authored by his legal defense team. Expect the Canadian gvt to rely on that ruling.

In the end, Khadr admitted to certain crimes and it will be a very tough sell for a lawyer to convince any court that Khadr should be compensated because he was denied his chance to lie in court.

If push comes to shove, pictures like this will submarine any consideration that the courts might offer.

 

[JLM]

Probably, but not half the one you are. You've committed to your opinion of Omar, I haven't. :smile: