Khadr - Pleads Guilty to Terror Charges

[wulfie68]

You just don't get it do you? A child who commits a heinous crime serves no more than 7 years in Canada. Also Omar's confession is questionable as it was done after long years of duress. We know that Bush had no problem with a little torture for prisoners of war. You should get ALL the facts before getting too gung ho to "string him up". :smile:

Actually a child can be tried as an adult for some crimes in Canada, subject to the will of the courts, and murder is one where prosecutors will attempt to have it bumped up, depending on the circumstances. If Khadr was a 15 yr old gang banger who killed a cop in any Canadian city, don't tell me the citizenry wouldn't be up in arms, demanding he be tried as an adult and spending decades, if not the rest of his life, in prison. It amazes me the way some people let their anti-American biggotry show through in the way they address Khadr's crime, almost condoning it because the victim was an American soldier.

And while there is evidence to suggest the US may have allowed/condoned torture (whether it was through outsourcing to the Afghanis or utilizing techniques like water boarding), we don't have any evidence that Khadr was subjected to these techniques aside from the allegations by his lawyers, which I'm not inclined to take at face value.

 

[captain morgan]

You just don't get it do you? A child who commits a heinous crime serves no more than 7 years in Canada. Also Omar's confession is questionable as it was done after long years of duress. We know that Bush had no problem with a little torture for prisoners of war. You should get ALL the facts before getting too gung ho to "string him up". :smile:

I get it just fine JLM.

You want to give Khadr every possible break in making assumptions that are favorable to him and swing to the opposite extreme in assuming the worst possibility regarding the Americans.

Further, Khadr didn't commit the crime in Canada, did he?

I notice that you've shied away from discussing any potential of Khadr doing his time in Afghanistan, it's clear as to the "why" on that, but suffice to say, it has to do with your desire for him not to be punished by the society that represents the victim or the society wherein the crime was committed.

Lastly, your position absolutely needs to rely on an unproveable assumption of "torture". Again, you are willing to bend over backwards to believe Khadr yet are without any flexibility to believe that there may be a chance that he is embellishing or outright lying.

So, spare me the rhetoric about "getting the facts". You certainly have no interest in doing so and are motivated to pass judgement based on "a feeling".

 

[gerryh]

This would all be fine and dandy if the soldiers that were on scene had t changed their testimony concerning who threw the grenade. Last word was that the grenade was thrown by someone else that had been killed in the firefight and that Kadhr was found hiding/cowering behind rubble shot twice in the back.

 

[geiseric]

...And while there is evidence to suggest the US may have allowed/condoned torture (whether it was through outsourcing to the Afghanis or utilizing techniques like water boarding), we don't have any evidence that Khadr was subjected to these techniques aside from the allegations by his lawyers, which I'm not inclined to take at face value.

oh as if

three monkeys works both ways so keep that in mind when the time comes and it's someone you LIKE on the record

 

[wulfie68]

oh as if

three monkeys works both ways so keep that in mind when the time comes and it's someone you LIKE on the record

No, simply due process applies to ALL allegations. If there is no evidence, you cannot prove guilt.

 

[geiseric]

Fruit of the poison tree. Its a fresh trial. Other than a coerced confession there IS no evidence.

 

[JLM]

I get it just fine JLM.

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I don't think so, you obviously believe he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt- I don't. :smile:

 

[captain morgan]

This would all be fine and dandy if the soldiers that were on scene had t changed their testimony concerning who threw the grenade. Last word was that the grenade was thrown by someone else that had been killed in the firefight and that Kadhr was found hiding/cowering behind rubble shot twice in the back.

But Khadr changing his story after he's shown the videos is just fine and dandy, eh?

I don't think so, you obviously believe he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt- I don't. :smile:

What you've communicated is that you WANT to believe Khadr despite of anything to the contrary... Hell, Khadr fessed-up to his actions. All it took was to show him the videos that he starred in, and like magic, he confesses.

 

[geiseric]

If Canada was honouring its own commitments to the way it treats child soldiers anything Kadhr had or has to say about the incident is irrelevant.

 

[captain morgan]

Fruit of the poison tree. Its a fresh trial. Other than a coerced confession there IS no evidence.

The only thing that is poisoned here is Khadr.

 

[mentalfloss]

If Canada was honouring its own commitments to the way it treats child soldiers anything Kadhr had or has to say about the incident is irrelevant.

Pretty much.

 

[geiseric]

The only thing that is poisoned here is Khadr.

whatever floats your boat

 

[JLM]

But Khadr changing his story after he's shown the videos is just fine and dandy, eh?




What you've communicated is that you WANT to believe Khadr despite of anything to the contrary... Hell, Khadr fessed-up to his actions. All it took was to show him the videos that he starred in, and like magic, he confesses.

Yeah, that would be a fair assumption as any decent person would. :smile:

If Canada was honouring its own commitments to the way it treats child soldiers anything Kadhr had or has to say about the incident is irrelevant.

That is true. :smile:

 

[geiseric]

Yeah, that would be a fair assumption as any decent person would. :smile:

Unfortunately, Kadhr's story changed because of the plea agreement, not the video. From what I've heard all the video proves is something blew up. Unless he's talking about the videos of the questioning in which case, again, fruit of the poisoned tree.

 

[JLM]

Unfortunately, Kadhr's story changed because of the plea agreement, not the video. From what I've heard all the video proves is something blew up. Unless he's talking about the videos of the questioning in which case, again, fruit of the poisoned tree.

You got the picture. Anyone who has been locked up, tortured (Bush himself admitted torture wasn't beyond the realm of possibility) and water boarded for 8 years isn't thinking straight anyway. He should be released NOW under strict conditions. :smile:

 

[geiseric]

Personally I'd recommend shoving a GPS transmitter up his ass, stapling a webcam to his forehead and creating www.where'somar.com so it's probably a good thing it's not up to me.

 

[captain morgan]

Unfortunately, Kadhr's story changed because of the plea agreement, not the video. From what I've heard all the video proves is something blew up. Unless he's talking about the videos of the questioning in which case, again, fruit of the poisoned tree.

You got it backwards, but it makes no difference in the grand scheme... As far as your thoughts on "the poisoned tree", his lawyers (all of 'em) tried to use that ploy and it was tossed out every time.

Your poisoned tree theory is a wet dream.

You got the picture. Anyone who has been locked up, tortured (Bush himself admitted torture wasn't beyond the realm of possibility) and water boarded for 8 years isn't thinking straight anyway. He should be released NOW under strict conditions. :smile:

Here's some pics of your boy JLM... Saw them at Charles Adler's website: I'm certain it will bring a tear to your eye for this poor wee misunderstood boy.

Poor Omar

It's hard for me to feel sorry for this guy. Canada has spent way, way too much on him and his whole family. I'm sure 8 years in Gitmo hasn’t turned him around.​

These are NOT very pleasant pictures, but...​

Notice the pair of hands he is carrying that have been chopped off a living person.​

Poor Omar Khadr?​

The next time you watch the news and are treated to how poor Omar Khadr was just a child in Afghanistan, held against his will, forced to do the terrorists bidding then "tortured" at Guantanamo…

Remember​

Remember the pictures the bleeding hearts in the media won’t show you...

Notice the AK47 behind him.

Young Omar happily and intently arming land mines.
Remember this -- those who want him saved and brought back to Canada !!!!









Our poor Omar taking trophies home.
And remember the victim and reason why there is a trial.
Sgt Christopher James Speer.


A medic who was helping care for the injured on the battlefield.

Very little is ever said about him. Pray for his wife, Tabitha, who will be attending Khadr’s trial.​

 

[JLM]

I really have no idea of the extent of Omar's guilt or innocence, but at this juncture that is not the point. The point is he was kept in limbo for 8 years in less than favourable conditions without being charged or brought to trial. Obviously the evidence to charge him was pretty shaky. :smile:

 

[geiseric]

You got it backwards, but it makes no difference in the grand scheme... As far as your thoughts on "the poisoned tree", his lawyers (all of 'em) tried to use that ploy and it was tossed out every time.

Your poisoned tree theory is a wet dream...

It will be interesting to see what lengths our government of the day goes to ensure that sentiment remains untested once he's repatriated.

 

[captain morgan]

I really have no idea of the extent of Omar's guilt or innocence, but at this juncture that is not the point.

This is exactly the point.

Running away from it will result in people having only an emotional, gut feeling upon which to base an opinion.

The point is he was kept in limbo for 8 years in less than favourable conditions without being charged or brought to trial. Obviously the evidence to charge him was pretty shaky. :smile:

Khadr was suspended in a legal gray area. Like it or not, he was sequestered in Gitmo because he would not be subject to American laws/rights. The reason that Gitmo exists was not to try these people, it is to attempt to unravel the structure of these terrorist organizations... Is it right?.. Clearly it is not, however based on the practices of Omar's terrorist organization, Omar's ONLY value lied in his knowledge of Al Queda and the Taliban.

As far as the evidence is concerned, look again at the pics that I posted and you tell me if there isn't the basis for an argument that Khadr wasn't deeply involved.