Kelly McParland: How decades of Liberal indifference created Danielle Smith

Ron in Regina

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Apparently, they're going to "dredge" the strait (I forget the name of it) so that it can accommodate larger tankers. How much is THAT going to cost?
From what I understand currently, with the existing depth of that straight in southern BC, the big tankers can only be partly loaded due to the depth of that channel. It’s this or nothing.
 

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Apparently, they're going to "dredge" the strait (I forget the name of it) so that it can accommodate larger tankers. How much is THAT going to cost?
I think what you are referring to is dredging in Burard Inlet to the WestCoast Transmission terminal. Currently the large tankers(can't remember the name) can only take 80% of capacity because of water depth East of Lions Gate Bridge. This has been kicked around for at least a decade. Not connected to the proposed Delta Port terminal, which is going to cause a shitstorm from the same oil spittter groups that oppose the Northern route(Pr. Rupert) In this, they have some valid points. All marine traffic for Vancouver and Puget Sound must go through the same narrow, crowded, and environmentally sensitive route. There is also the rather glaring tax grab involved. The lower mainland is largely NDPee territory, and each municipality, regional district, indian reserve gets to collect a bundle of tax money from the pipeline.
 

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Wouldn't there also be a risk of undermining the footing of the historical Lionsgate bridge? Like say if they hit bedrock and had to blast, who knows what might happen next or as time passes.
I mean how many times in history have we noticed that they dismiss people's concerns because of 'the science'?
And when things go awry that's when we find out the science was paid for by those that could make money off of the proposition.
 

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I think what you are referring to is dredging in Burard Inlet to the WestCoast Transmission terminal. Currently the large tankers(can't remember the name) can only take 80% of capacity because of water depth East of Lions Gate Bridge. This has been kicked around for at least a decade. Not connected to the proposed Delta Port terminal, which is going to cause a shitstorm from the same oil spittter groups that oppose the Northern route(Pr. Rupert) In this, they have some valid points. All marine traffic for Vancouver and Puget Sound must go through the same narrow, crowded, and environmentally sensitive route. There is also the rather glaring tax grab involved. The lower mainland is largely NDPee territory, and each municipality, regional district, indian reserve gets to collect a bundle of tax money from the pipeline.
Robert’s Bank would cause a shitstorm from Native and environmental groups throughout B.C. and Canada . Think of the Fraser River salmon .
 
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Ron in Regina

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I think what you are referring to is dredging in Burard Inlet to the WestCoast Transmission terminal. Currently the large tankers(can't remember the name) can only take 80% of capacity because of water depth East of Lions Gate Bridge. This has been kicked around for at least a decade. Not connected to the proposed Delta Port terminal, which is going to cause a shitstorm from the same oil spittter groups that oppose the Northern route(Pr. Rupert) In this, they have some valid points.
Apparently the port of Prince Rupert just happens to be the third deepest in the world.
The Port of Prince Rupert (located in British Columbia, Canada) ranks as the 25th busiest container port in North America. Within Canada, it is the third busiest (behind Vancouver and Montreal).
Apparently, they're going to "dredge" the strait (I forget the name of it) so that it can accommodate larger tankers. How much is THAT going to cost?
Wanna hear weirder? I asked Google AI if America oil tankers can transit the area that bans oil takers on that portion of the B.C. coast that bans Alberta (and in turn Saskatchewan) oil and oil pipelines from tidewater?
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The announcement between Ottawa and Alberta came hours after B.C. struck a deal on a multibillion-dollar federal commitment for infrastructure projects in the province and no change to the federal “Canadian import/export” tanker ban off B.C.’s North Coast.

Ms. Smith said that after studying northern and southern route options, her government determined that a pipeline from the Alberta town of Bruderheim to a deep-water port terminal on B.C.’s southwest coast offered “the fastest, most cost-effective path to expanding Canada’s energy exports”….& the only choice not banned for “Canadian” oil for import/export on the west coast of Canada.

“Mr. Carney said the federal government will now refer the West Coast pipeline project proposal to its Major Projects Office, with consultations to begin immediately with Indigenous communities, provinces and territories. He said the government expects the decision on whether it will be a project of national interest will be made by Oct. 1. ”
Under the deal with Alberta, Carney’s government has committed to working towards designating Smith’s pipeline proposal as a project in the “national interest” by October 2026, with the stated goal of providing it with the conditions necessary to begin construction by September 2027, assuming it’s not all just hot air, smoke & mirrors, and lip service.
An Alberta-Ottawa memorandum of understanding that laid the groundwork for the pipeline plan, signed in November, said Ottawa “may” consider adjusting a prohibition on tankers loading and unloading oil along the northern B.C. coast, & then the B.C.-Ottawa MOU was signed the day of the Alberta announcement.
 
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Taxslave2

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Robert’s Bank would cause a shitstorm from Native and environmental groups throughout B.C. and Canada . Think of the Fraser River salmon .
This is the reason it was picked. Carnage can say he did all he could to help Alberta but the people of Canada are dead set against it. The taxpayers lose again.
 

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Wouldn't there also be a risk of undermining the footing of the historical Lionsgate bridge? Like say if they hit bedrock and had to blast, who knows what might happen next or as time passes.
I mean how many times in history have we noticed that they dismiss people's concerns because of 'the science'?
And when things go awry that's when we find out the science was paid for by those that could make money off of the proposition.
Won't be any blasting happening there. Vancouver's water supply runs under the inlet in that area and they are about to put a new pipe in there.
 

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I doubt if it will be considered in the national interest. Carney is using EBY to ensure that it won't be & the FN will object. Carney has stated that nothing will go thru w/o the approval of FN and the provinces.
 

Ron in Regina

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I doubt if it will be considered in the national interest. Carney is using EBY to ensure that it won't be & the FN will object. Carney has stated that nothing will go thru w/o the approval of FN and the provinces.
Because navigating Indigenous rights and the federal Duty to Consult is highly complex, projects that lack local consent often face years of Federal Court challenges and blockades. In recent proposals—such as the federal-Alberta West Coast Oil Pipeline project—governments are increasingly attempting to navigate opposition by offering substantial equity ownership and financial partnerships directly to Indigenous communities.🤞

Supreme Court of Canada rulings have repeatedly affirmed that while the Crown must consult with Indigenous groups regarding potential impacts to their rights and title, this legal duty does not (in theory) grant First Nations an outright veto over resource development.

Designating a pipeline as being in the "national interest" is determined by the federal Cabinet, often following extensive reviews by regulatory bodies like the Canada Energy Regulator (CER) and the Impact Assessment Agency. Cabinet will weigh economic benefits, environmental assessments, and the adequacy of Indigenous consultation before making a final determination.🙄

Alberta formally submitted its proposed West Coast Oil Pipeline Project to the federal Major Projects Office as a “proposed👀” Project of National Interest under the Building Canada Act. The proposal contemplates a new pipeline running from Bruderheim, Alberta to Roberts Bank in Delta, British Columbia, generally following the existing Trans Mountain corridor.

Canada and British Columbia entered into the Canada-British Columbia Prosperity Agreement hours before Alberta’s pipeline proposal, under which British Columbia agreed to participate in the routing and permitting of a new interprovincial pipeline, while Canada committed to maintaining the North Coast tanker ban, supporting Indigenous equity participation, establishing an environmental liability framework and undertaking consultation with First Nations.

The next punchline is October 1 I believe.
 

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Because navigating Indigenous rights and the federal Duty to Consult is highly complex, projects that lack local consent often face years of Federal Court challenges and blockades. In recent proposals—such as the federal-Alberta West Coast Oil Pipeline project—governments are increasingly attempting to navigate opposition by offering substantial equity ownership and financial partnerships directly to Indigenous communities.🤞

Supreme Court of Canada rulings have repeatedly affirmed that while the Crown must consult with Indigenous groups regarding potential impacts to their rights and title, this legal duty does not (in theory) grant First Nations an outright veto over resource development.

Designating a pipeline as being in the "national interest" is determined by the federal Cabinet, often following extensive reviews by regulatory bodies like the Canada Energy Regulator (CER) and the Impact Assessment Agency. Cabinet will weigh economic benefits, environmental assessments, and the adequacy of Indigenous consultation before making a final determination.🙄

Alberta formally submitted its proposed West Coast Oil Pipeline Project to the federal Major Projects Office as a “proposed👀” Project of National Interest under the Building Canada Act. The proposal contemplates a new pipeline running from Bruderheim, Alberta to Roberts Bank in Delta, British Columbia, generally following the existing Trans Mountain corridor.

Canada and British Columbia entered into the Canada-British Columbia Prosperity Agreement hours before Alberta’s pipeline proposal, under which British Columbia agreed to participate in the routing and permitting of a new interprovincial pipeline, while Canada committed to maintaining the North Coast tanker ban, supporting Indigenous equity participation, establishing an environmental liability framework and undertaking consultation with First Nations.

The next punchline is October 1 I believe.
Oooh, I can't wait!