Judge orders Toronto Mayor Rob Ford out of office

[CDNBear]

He handled a number of issues badly= The Judge nailed it with his sense of entitlements...

I think the Judge misread him.

Ford has never really come off as entitled. Obstinate and fully assured of his innocence maybe.

... then his brother saying it was all about helping kids. It was not...

That is where it started.

Then it turned into him defending himself in Council.

I don't know much about municipal law, but I have to question any legislation that removes the ability to plead ones case before those that will pass judgment.

That kind of takes the wind out of due process.

He was guilty- could have avoided it- choose to be bullheaded and stubborn.

He was found guilty of conflict of interest, not being able to deal with the crap flung at him professionally and being a thorn in the side of the pigs at the City Hall trough.

Ruby and Magder were simply doing what all the little piggies wanted.

 

[Goober]

I think the Judge misread him.

Ford has never really come off as entitled. Obstinate and fully assured of his innocence maybe.

That is where it started.

Then it turned into him defending himself in Council.

I don't know much about municipal law, but I have to question any legislation that removes the ability to plead ones case before those that will pass judgment.

That kind of takes the wind out of due process.

He was found guilty of conflict of interest, not being able to deal with the crap flung at him professionally and being a thorn in the side of the pigs at the City Hall trough.

Ruby and Magder were simply doing what all the little piggies wanted.

I agree as many have also stated this is a very blunt law- any transgressions /violations result in removal from office.

 

[DaSleeper]

I agree as many have also stated this is a very blunt law- any transgressions /violations result in removal from office.

Even the judge.....if you read the complete ruling, thought that bylaw didn't make sense.

 

[Goober]

Even the judge.....if you read the complete ruling, thought that bylaw didn't make sense.

I am aware of his comments- this law needs to be changed- Did Ford break the law- yes- what level was it- minor. Did it deserve or rate removal from office- no.

 

[CDNBear]

I agree as many have also stated this is a very blunt law- any transgressions /violations result in removal from office.

I can't say I disagree with that, a double edged sword as it were.

 

[Goober]

I can't say I disagree with that, a double edged sword as it were.

I wonder how many prov politicians have been charged under this law.

 

[DaSleeper]

While I understand how he could have fallen in the trap set for him by detractors, and the way the MSM has been against him from the Star;-) <cough> I mean start...He should have been prepared for it........
It seems after all that if they vote him out...the electorate will get what they deserve:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

I wonder how many prov politicians have been charged under this law.

Don't know.

While I understand how he could have fallen in the trap set for him by detractors, and the way the MSM has been against him from the Star;-) <cough> I mean start...

LOL, how true, but it's no excuse for being an embarrassment.

 

[taxslave]

The left would have a collective stroke. :lol:

SO what's the problem?

 

[Locutus]

Like wow man.

A whopping 5 people rallying against Rob Ford : News : SunNews Video Gallery


The rest must be the twitterites. :lol:

and...


Christie Blatchford: Controversy grows over why judge took ‘nuclear’ option in Rob Ford ruling


Controversy grows over why judge took

 

[Tonington]

Unless you read it as.... the present term ends when he gets removed from office....then any election after that is a new term.

The Ontario legislation I linked to earlier, clearly defines a term as a four year period that commences on December 1 in the year of a regular election. That is to say that a term is not defined at all by the office being held by anyone.

A by-election is by definition not a regular election. If someone is elected in a by-election they have to run again when the regular elections are held. It's not a new term.

 

[CDNBear]

Controversy grows over why judge took

The MCIA as interpreted by Judge Hackland deems as a potential breach, punishable by mandatory removal, even an attempt to defend oneself at council. “Explaining one’s conduct, seeking to justify it, even hiring a lawyer to defend one’s conduct before council, all of these actions could result in removal.” That is absurd, the lawyer says, and almost certainly contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and its free expression guarantees.

I don't know much about municipal law, but I have to question any legislation that removes the ability to plead ones case before those that will pass judgment.

That kind of takes the wind out of due process.

Ford will appeal, and likely win.

 

[Ron in Regina]

So...if the City of Toronto has this by-election...& someone new becomes the Mayor,
and then Rob Ford appeals the Judges decision....and wins the appeal...then what?

Would the by-election then become a seven million dollar boondoggle that's become
null & void, or would that force a new second by-election, or something else?

Would he still be out for the remainder of his current term and the new person stays
in, or would the new person be out and Ford slots back in, or some sort'a weird
co-Mayor type situation?

 

[SLM]

So...if the City of Toronto has this by-election...& someone new becomes the Mayor,
and then Rob Ford appeals the Judges decision....and wins the appeal...then what?

Would the by-election then become a seven million dollar boondoggle that's become
null & void, or would that force a new second by-election, or something else?

Would he still be out for the remainder of his current term and the new person stays
in, or would the new person be out and Ford slots back in, or some sort'a weird
co-Mayor type situation?

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. It's going to cost people money. Lots and lots of money.

That's politics in Canada for you.

 

[Goober]

The MCIA as interpreted by Judge Hackland deems as a potential breach, punishable by mandatory removal, even an attempt to defend oneself at council. “Explaining one’s conduct, seeking to justify it, even hiring a lawyer to defend one’s conduct before council, all of these actions could result in removal.” That is absurd, the lawyer says, and almost certainly contrary to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and its free expression guarantees.

Not sure if this was raised yet
Could the judge have suspended the sentence - stayed the charges- conditional discharge?

If not then the Judge could have rules it was a Charter violation as the sentence was to severe? Yes- No

But that would have sent all prov / muni conflict laws into a twilight zone if he did. Would that be correct?

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: Ford finds out sometimes good SH*T does happen!

You said " He can run again if he wants. For that reason you can bet council won't call an election, which I believe is an option for them. Pussies." I thought you were presuming...

I try to end each day a little wiser than I was at the beginning of the day. You?

It's possible.

Ford got a huge approval rating from the election results, dare I say mandate?

Unfortunately he handled the backlash from the left, poorly. It looks bad on his and his ilk's ability to lead.

Yeah lots of NDP in Toronto, she'd have a lot of support from people who would "do it for Jack".

 

[damngrumpy]

Actually in the last couple of days they were actually debating that if the conflict of interest
decision stands, Ford could not run in the next election that too is up in the air.
Ain't politics great?
Ford admitted he should not have said what he said about staying on, this was not helpful
but then it should remember that most of what Ford has said is not helpful. He is a total
buffoon and he will likely lose the election anyway people are getting fed up.

 

[JLM]

Actually in the last couple of days they were actually debating that if the conflict of interest
decision stands, Ford could not run in the next election that too is up in the air.
Ain't politics great?
Ford admitted he should not have said what he said about staying on, this was not helpful
but then it should remember that most of what Ford has said is not helpful. He is a total
buffoon and he will likely lose the election anyway people are getting fed up.

It's just unbelieveable that in a city of a couple of million people he's the best they could come up with.

 

[Goober]

It's just unbelieveable that in a city of a couple of million people he's the best they could come up with.

Then you should have seen Miller- Slick - real slick- And loved to spend. That meant more taxes- Sweet deals for the Cities unions- The taxpayer was the gravy train.

 

[JLM]

Then you should have seen Miller- Slick - real slick- And loved to spend. That meant more taxes- Sweet deals for the Cities unions- The taxpayer was the gravy train.

Nah, not too interested in Miller, but I am interested in the mentality of the electorate!