Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

[CDNBear]

I understand that First Nations people have treaty "rights" that I don't have. I accept it as part of the price for peace with First Nations people. Maintaining these additional rights and freedoms is fair and just. Taking away these fights and freedoms would be like breaking our word.

Sure, go ahead, try and shift the conversation to 'rights and freedoms', because you think you can absolve yourself of complicity in crime, and living off the avails of crime....

Not living up to the contracts, is breaking your word.

The invasion of traditional lands, that were contractually protect, is breaking your word.

Removing our form of government and installing your own, and impeding our self determination, is a crime against humanity.

Living on land without fear of violence, or reprisal, just because a longer amount of time and injustice has transpired, doesn't negate the fact that you are a hypocrite.

400 years from now, Israel and Palestine, may have the same situation.

My point is that CB is stretching reality if he thinks he can argue that current First Nation rights and freedoms are less or equal to current Palestinian rights and freedoms.

That isn't what I said.

I said both suffer, differently.

But I don't mind entertaining your silly dishonest attempt further...

Your justification of why it's OK for you to stay here, is no different than the silly notion Gawd left it to us.

You can try and use the right to hunt, fish and harvest wood unimpeded, while the areas we hunt, fish and harvest wood are being destroyed in the name of progress. To justify your hypocrisy further, but you just look foolish, while you further prove my observation, of your moral relativism and hypocrisy, to be absolutely true.

 

[Goober]

I understand that First Nations people have treaty "rights" that I don't have. I accept it as part of the price for peace with First Nations people. Maintaining these additional rights and freedoms is fair and just. Taking away these fights and freedoms would be like breaking our word.

My point is that CB is stretching reality if he thinks he can argue that current First Nation rights and freedoms are less or equal to current Palestinian rights and freedoms.

Stretching reality- You have the gumption to make such an allegation. I have to go to the bathroom as that post is making my bowels move.

Update- It was just foul air- like your post had -

 

[earth_as_one]

Of course they don't suffer the same way.

But they suffer nonetheless, both in different ways.

You will never understand it, or openly admit it, because then you would be forced to admit, you have more in common with Israel, than will let you sleep at night.

I sometimes wish I had the governments support, and that of other interested governments, to use violence to harass squatters, on stolen land.

Sure, go ahead, try and shift the conversation to 'rights and freedoms', because you think you can absolve yourself of complicity in crime, and living off the avails of crime....

Not living up to the contracts, is breaking your word.

The invasion of traditional lands, that were contractually protect, is breaking your word.

Removing our form of government and installing your own, and impeding our self determination, is a crime against humanity.

Living on land without fear of violence, or reprisal, just because a longer amount of time and injustice has transpired, doesn't negate the fact that you are a hypocrite.

400 years from now, Israel and Palestine, may have the same situation.

That isn't what I said.

I said both suffer, differently.

But I don't mind entertaining your silly dishonest attempt further...

Your justification of why it's OK for you to stay here, is no different than the silly notion Gawd left it to us.

You can try and use the right to hunt, fish and harvest wood unimpeded, while the areas we hunt, fish and harvest wood are being destroyed in the name of progress. To justify your hypocrisy further, but you just look foolish, while you further prove my observation, of your moral relativism and hypocrisy, to be absolutely true.

Some good points, if you could get past your irrelevant off topic opinions regarding me.

I agree with you that I have more in common with the Israeli experience, since my ancestors immigrated to a colonized land. But I was born here. Canada is my home and native land. I don't discriminate against groups of people and instead judge individuals by their actions.

I grew up knowing only the European version of Canada's history. But I know better now and I was shocked when I finally learned the truth. But I had nothing to do with the injustices, the oppression or crimes against humanity suffered by First Nation ancestors. I support real compensation and a sincere apology for these crimes against humanity.

I agree that First Nations people have more in common with the Palestinian experience. Canada's First Nations ancestors experienced many forms of oppression and injustice as a direct consequence of colonialism: ethnic cleansing, genocide, discrimination, abduction of children, physical/sexual abuse/murder, cultural assimilation, discrimination, and many other injustices....

Today in Canada, we've moved beyond the worst phases of colonialism and now we have peace. First Nation people still do not not enjoy a truly just or fair peace yet, but its certainly better than it was 50 years ago and certainly much better than 100 years ago. First Nations people no longer experience ethnic cleansing, genocide or forced assimilation... The Residential School system of atrocities and horror ended over 50 years ago.

I recognize that First Nation people continue to suffer the long term consequences of these historical injustices... poverty, substance abuse, disconnection between generations... But at least First Nation people enjoy peace, full Canadian citizenship and legal protection against racial discrimination like other Canadians. Plus First Nation people enjoy special treaty rights to the land and its resources, exemptions from taxes, education and health benefits and many other advantages other Canadian lack. Essentially First Nations people have more rights and Freedoms than other Canadians... and I am OK with this preferential treatment of First Nation people in partial compensation for historical injustices suffered by First Nation people. Canada still owes much to the First Nation people, not only because Canada exists on the former lands of First Nations, but also because of First Nation contributions to our democratic systems and defense of Canada. First Nation culture and languages is an integral part of Canada's identity and I fully support repairing as much of the damage from cultural assimilation as possible...

I am confident that Canada's First Nation people will continue to contribute to Canada in a positive way and I hope that in my lifetime I will see a First Nation person become the Prime Minister of Canada... certainly an appointment of a First Nation elder to the Governor General's Office is long over due.

The Palestinian experience since the late 1940's continues to be as bad as the worst historical experiences of First Nations. Palestinians have no recognized rights or freedoms... not even fundamental ones, let alone special ones like First Nation people enjoy today. Just like First Nation ancestors, Palestinians fight against injustice and oppression. They suffer home demolitions and other forms of colonial ethnic cleansing. Just like the Beothuk, Palestinians are abducted, tortured and murdered with impunity. Just like First Nation ancestors, they face religious and race based discrimination.

So why do you support the continued Palestinian oppression and injustice again? Have you forgotten First Nation history? You certainly seem to have not learned from it.

 

[CDNBear]

Some good points, if you could get past your irrelevant off topic opinions regarding me.

You have injected yourself into the discussion.

I agree with you that I have more in common with the Israeli experience, since my ancestors immigrated to a colonized land. But I was born here. Canada is my home and native land. I don't discriminate against groups of people and instead judge individuals by their actions.

Your presence here is discrimination.

You legitimize the current system of oppression and violation of fundamental human rights.

But I had nothing to do with the injustices, the oppression or crimes against humanity suffered by First Nation ancestors.

True, but you now live comfortably because of it. You are the continuation of the criminal act.

First Nations ancestors experienced many forms of oppression and injustice as a direct consequence of colonialism: ethnic cleansing, genocide, discrimination, abduction of children, physical/sexual abuse/murder, cultural assimilation, discrimination, and many other injustices....

Experienced?

Today, educational funding is less than non native schools. Instead of beating our culture out of us. They'll ensure we're just to stupid to understand it, and/or succeed in life.

The fundamental human right of self determination is denied.

The contracts are being breached.

Our traditional lands are being expropriated.

Today in Canada, we've moved beyond the worst phases of colonialism and now we have peace.

Moral relativism at its best.

We don't have peace, we have relative peace (Oka, Caledonia), and I see a future with greater unrest.

But at least First Nation people enjoy peace, full Canadian citizenship and legal protection against racial discrimination like other Canadians.

Just like Palestinians that immigrate to Israel.

Plus First Nation people enjoy special treaty rights to the land and its resources, exemptions from taxes, education and health benefits and many other advantages other Canadian lack.

So that makes the continued violation of our basic human right, and our oppression, our lands being decimated, and the outright theft of our funds OK?

Essentially First Nations people have more rights and Freedoms than other Canadians... and I am OK with this preferential treatment of First Nation people in partial compensation for historical injustices suffered by First Nation people.

Of course you are. The facade helps you sleep at night.

Canada still owes much to the First Nation people...

Oh, so you admit you still owe us, yet here you are defending your living on stolen land and so on.

Moral relativism and hypocrisy at its best.

The Palestinian experience since the late 1940's continues to be as bad as the worst historical experiences of First Nations.

70+ years in, compared to 400+ years along.

Are you really that daft?

Palestinians have no recognized rights or freedoms...

That's Hamas's problem/fault, not Israel's.

So why do you support the continued Palestinian oppression and injustice again?

I don't. You have a serious comprehension problem.

Have you forgotten First Nation history?

LOL, no, I'm objective. That would likely confuse the hell out of you.

You certainly seem to have not learned from it.

Actually, what I learned from it is, when you make up stuff, exaggerate or fail to be honest and objective, you fail the cause.

You do Palestine a disservice. Like the MWS, MNN, and other idiot First Nations groups, do us a disservice.

 

[Goober]

I don't have that opinion. My opinion is that all people (including Jews, Muslims, Palestinians, Israelis....) have a right to freedom and justice.

Why don't you start a thread on why Palestinians should be gassed in extermination camps?


Tell you what, if you don't make up or imply BS about me, then I won't make up or imply BS about you?

You still have not apologized or retracted this.

 

[gore0bsessed]

The bravest, most eloquent 9 year-old kid in the world (English subtitles) - YouTube

 

[DaSleeper]

The bravest, most eloquent 9 year-old kid in the world (English subtitles) - YouTube

Can you translate??

 

[CDNBear]

The bravest, most eloquent 9 year-old kid in the world (English subtitles) - YouTube

He was coached well.

Can you translate??

No, but that only matter when the video is being used against his position.

 

[gore0bsessed]

Palestinian youth beaten unconscious in attempted J’lem ‘lynch’

In the last 24 hours, two near-fatal attacks were committed against Palestinians, one a suspected terror attack, the other a suspected attempted lynch – both allegedly committed by Israeli Jews. Haaretz was the only website (both Hebrew and English) to put the suspected lynch as a top story, while all the other major news sites lead with Iran’s incitement against Israel.

 

[MapleDog]

The whol damn thig with israel is getting annoying,if we criticise the israel government and military,some jewish organisation in canada or other country,call us anti semite.

6.000.000 dead at the hand of Hitler and his nazis,should not be used as a get out of jail free card.

the soviets got much more dead than that,and no one makes a big case of this.

 

[gore0bsessed]

He was coached well.

No, but that only matter when the video is being used against his position.

That's not fair, simply because he is smarter than you and much more articulate at only age 9 doesn't mean he must have been coached.

As Israel prepares for war with Iran, some citizens say the government is warmongering | PRI.ORG

 

[CDNBear]

Palestinian youth beaten unconscious in attempted J’lem ‘lynch’

In the last 24 hours, two near-fatal attacks were committed against Palestinians, one a suspected terror attack, the other a suspected attempted lynch – both allegedly committed by Israeli Jews. Haaretz was the only website (both Hebrew and English) to put the suspected lynch as a top story, while all the other major news sites lead with Iran’s incitement against Israel.

You have to give it up for Israel's third largest and oldest daily.

The whol damn thig with israel is getting annoying,if we criticise the israel government and military,some jewish organisation in canada or other country,call us anti semite.

No they don't.

That's not fair, simply because he is smarter than me and much more articulate at only age 9 doesn't mean he must have been coached.

After I fixed that for you. I still don't agree.

 

[DaSleeper]

Palestinian youth beaten unconscious in attempted J’lem ‘lynch’

In the last 24 hours, two near-fatal attacks were committed against Palestinians, one a suspected terror attack, the other a suspected attempted lynch – both allegedly committed by Israeli Jews. Haaretz was the only website (both Hebrew and English) to put the suspected lynch as a top story, while all the other major news sites lead with Iran’s incitement against Israel.

I just thought you missed that word in your distorted rant......carry on......

 

[Goober]

Palestinian youth beaten unconscious in attempted J’lem ‘lynch’

In the last 24 hours, two near-fatal attacks were committed against Palestinians, one a suspected terror attack, the other a suspected attempted lynch – both allegedly committed by Israeli Jews. Haaretz was the only website (both Hebrew and English) to put the suspected lynch as a top story, while all the other major news sites lead with Iran’s incitement against Israel.

Well Khomeini started that wonderful celebration - Al-Quds Day - Hate the Jew- It expanded into IAH- Israel Apartheid Week- Again another program for the hateful to hide their hate under a mask. Just another Hate the Jew Celebration.

Jewish league to counter-protest anti-Zionist Al Quds rally in Queen

Toronto — Anti-Israel activists are slated to square off with counter-protesters at Queen’s Park on Saturday afternoon, with the Ontario legislature’s lawn divided north and south between the two opposing groups.

The anti-Zionist rally, part of the pro-Palestinian International Day of Al-Quds Day initiated by Iran’s Grand Ayatollah in 1979, will go ahead despite last-ditch efforts by Jewish community representatives to convince the province it should reconsider approval of a site application.

 

[gore0bsessed]

In another incident late Thursday night, which has already been called a “lynch” by an eyewitness who was there, three Palestinian youth were attacked and severely beaten up by “dozens” of Jewish youth in Zion Square, in the center of West Jerusalem. The woman who witnessed the whole thing posted her testimony and devastated thoughts on her Facebook page, which was partially translated by Haaretz. Here is the full translation:

Its late at night, and I can’t sleep. My eyes are full of tears for a good few hours now and my stomach is turning inside out with the question of the loss of humanity, the image of God in mankind, a loss that I am not willing to accept. But today I saw a lynch with my own eyes, in Zion Square, the center of the city of Jerusalem. I arrived with the staff of “Elem” [NGO that works with children at risk] to Zion Square as we normally do at this hour to volunteer, and barely half an hour went by when I heard screams of ‘A Jew is a good soul and Arab is a son of a bitch,’ shouted loudly and dozens (!!) of youths ran and gathered and started to really beat to death three Arab youths who were walking quietly in the Ben Yehuda street.
When one of the Palestinian youths fell to the floor, the youths continued to hit him in the head, he lost consciousness, his eyes rolled, his head at an angle started to twitch, and then those who were kicking him fled and the rest gathered in a circle around, with some still shouting with hate in their eyes…
When two of our volunteers went into the circle, they tried to perform CPR the mass of youths standing around started to say resentfully that we are resuscitating an Arab, and when they passed near us and saw that the rest of the volunteers were shocked, they asked why we were so in shock, he is an Arab. When we returned to the area after some time had passed, and the site was marked as a murder scene, and police were there with the cousin of the victim who tried to reenact what happened, two youths stood there who did not understand why we wanted to give a bottle of water to the cousin of the victim who was transferred to hospital in critical condition, he is an Arab, and they need don’t need to walk around in the center of the city, and they deserve it, because this way they will finally be afraid.
Children aged 15-18 are killing a child their own age with their own hands. Their own hands. Children who’s hearts were unmoved when they beat to death a boy their age who lay writhing on the floor. The picture has not been struck from my eyes and I can still hear the voices and the feeling of helplessness and the question, what happened to us and what is happening to our kids? And the most important – If and how can we still change it?
​

After many comments and rumors that the Palestinians had somehow started it or attacked the Jewish youth first, the witness wrote: “I saw with my own eyes that they didn’t attack anyone, and I heard with own ears the teens running just to ‘find an Arab to beat up.’”

 

[CDNBear]

FaceBook as a source?

man has Haaretz ever slipped, lol.

 

[Goober]

In another incident late Thursday night, which has already been called a “lynch” by an eyewitness who was there, three Palestinian youth were attacked and severely beaten up by “dozens” of Jewish youth in Zion Square, in the center of West Jerusalem. The woman who witnessed the whole thing posted her testimony and devastated thoughts on her Facebook page, which was partially translated by Haaretz. Here is the full translation:

Its late at night, and I can’t sleep. My eyes are full of tears for a good few hours now and my stomach is turning inside out with the question of the loss of humanity, the image of God in mankind, a loss that I am not willing to accept. But today I saw a lynch with my own eyes, in Zion Square, the center of the city of Jerusalem. I arrived with the staff of “Elem” [NGO that works with children at risk] to Zion Square as we normally do at this hour to volunteer, and barely half an hour went by when I heard screams of ‘A Jew is a good soul and Arab is a son of a bitch,’ shouted loudly and dozens (!!) of youths ran and gathered and started to really beat to death three Arab youths who were walking quietly in the Ben Yehuda street.
When one of the Palestinian youths fell to the floor, the youths continued to hit him in the head, he lost consciousness, his eyes rolled, his head at an angle started to twitch, and then those who were kicking him fled and the rest gathered in a circle around, with some still shouting with hate in their eyes…
When two of our volunteers went into the circle, they tried to perform CPR the mass of youths standing around started to say resentfully that we are resuscitating an Arab, and when they passed near us and saw that the rest of the volunteers were shocked, they asked why we were so in shock, he is an Arab. When we returned to the area after some time had passed, and the site was marked as a murder scene, and police were there with the cousin of the victim who tried to reenact what happened, two youths stood there who did not understand why we wanted to give a bottle of water to the cousin of the victim who was transferred to hospital in critical condition, he is an Arab, and they need don’t need to walk around in the center of the city, and they deserve it, because this way they will finally be afraid.
Children aged 15-18 are killing a child their own age with their own hands. Their own hands. Children who’s hearts were unmoved when they beat to death a boy their age who lay writhing on the floor. The picture has not been struck from my eyes and I can still hear the voices and the feeling of helplessness and the question, what happened to us and what is happening to our kids? And the most important – If and how can we still change it?
​

After many comments and rumors that the Palestinians had somehow started it or attacked the Jewish youth first, the witness wrote: “I saw with my own eyes that they didn’t attack anyone, and I heard with own ears the teens running just to ‘find an Arab to beat up.’”

Rumour has it that it was a plant - For those that are plant like to then take and plant. And we know full well rumour is more accurate than Face Book any day of the week.

 

[Just the Facts]

It's an appalling incident regardless of who did it and why. As is so often the case, however, the real story is in the comments. People are shocked and dismayed that their fellow Jews would behave in such a way, and the perpetrators are unmittigatingly castigated as criminals and thugs. I wonder what the outrage will be if it turns out to be a fabricated incident.

Compare that to this:

Palestinian TV Celebrates Mass Murderer « Commentary Magazine

 

[Goober]

It's an appalling incident regardless of who did it and why. As is so often the case, however, the real story is in the comments. People are shocked and dismayed that their fellow Jews would behave in such a way, and the perpetrators are unmittigatingly castigated as criminals and thugs. I wonder what the outrage will be if it turns out to be a fabricated incident.

Compare that to this:

Palestinian TV Celebrates Mass Murderer « Commentary Magazine

There are renegades in Israel- we are all aware of that- the hate runs deep for a small minority- But it is not indoctrinated in schools- In youth camps - in news papers-
Arab Israelis are able to and have taken cases to the Israeli Supreme Court and won- The Israeli Supreme court is known as one of the most activist in the world.

And if the story about what Gore reported is fact hopefully arrests will be made.
On the other side of the conflict mass murderers are celebrated - those that murder babies by cutting the babies throat when cornered on a beach - are FFn heroes - What type of so called civilized society revels in that.

 

[gore0bsessed]

There are renegades in Israel- we are all aware of that- the hate runs deep for a small minority- But it is not indoctrinated in schools- In youth camps - in news papers-
Arab Israelis are able to and have taken cases to the Israeli Supreme Court and won- The Israeli Supreme court is known as one of the most activist in the world.

And if the story about what Gore reported is fact hopefully arrests will be made.
On the other side of the conflict mass murderers are celebrated - those that murder babies by cutting the babies throat when cornered on a beach - are FFn heroes - What type of so called civilized society revels in that.

What is this nonsense? On one hand you call the crimes the Israeli kids committed, the beating a Palestinian to death, a "plant" . Then you unflinchingly believe an obviously horse**** story of Palestinians slitting throats of babies on a beach.
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