Japan launches largest ship since WW2

[Machjo]

Just because Canada doesn't have a proper military with which to defend itself, and would have to rely on the US and UK if it gets into trouble, doesn't mean that other countries can't.

That Japanese ship is a bit puny, though.

The Royal Navy's HMS Ocean can carrry up to 40 vehicles.

I'd rather a strong economy to a strong military.

And honestly, who'll attack Canada? Canada likely has more internal threats, making the police more useful than the military.

Sorry.

You have a "navy" of 15 warships and an airforce of just 391 planes.

It's hardly enough to defend yourselves should you ever need to, and yet you complain when one country does the RIGHT thing in these dangerous times and strengthens its military.

Should Canada get into trouble it'll go crying to America and Britain.

OK, Blackleaf. Who'll attack us. I'd rather our debt to your military.

And the US? Really, even if the US wasnt next door we are pretty well defended by three big oceans.

Hey, someone who is geographically literate. Nice.

Usually its the other way around. Both World Wars for example. You folks wanted our help, not the other way around. We have never been in direct trouble since we have been a country. Last time would have been 1812 when Canada didnt exist. We have a small armed forces because a large one is just not needed.

What, you're not in the mood to waste our hard earned tax dollars just to show off some toys? Come on. What's a little government debt?

 

[darkbeaver]

I suggest that you have a rather misinformed view of what actually happened in Rwanda.

What happened in Rhawanda was the assasination of it's president by western trained and backed banking scum. Maybe someday we will know for sure what happened at the airport.


The age of big boats is over thanks to the age of very fast little missiles. But they do impress the underclasses in disadvantaged nations and they are marvelous in trade negotiations.

 

[WLDB]

Wouldn't it have been great if he actually did something to actually keep the peace? Protect the helpless?

Would have been nice. Just say to hell with the UN and try to protect people, even if it means shooting some of the nutjobs with machetes. Following his orders are what led him to having major guilt problems later on that damn near led to him committing suicide several times. He goes into a lot of detail about this in "Shake Hands with the Devil."

The age of big boats is over thanks to the age of very fast little missiles. But they do impress the underclasses in disadvantaged nations and they are marvelous in trade negotiations.

Age of battleships is over. Aircraft carriers can still be useful. These ships can also carry missiles. Though given how close Japan is to their potential enemies their country itself would serve as a good aircraft carrier.

What, you're not in the mood to waste our hard earned tax dollars just to show off some toys? Come on. What's a little government debt?

Alright. Lets bring back the Avro Arrow! Show off our cold war era engineering skills. The Snowbirds could use some new planes.

 

[EagleSmack]

eagle just doesn't like ANY kind of perceived criticism of the u.s., plus, he obviously lives in his own little world when he tries comparing a U.N. "peacekeeping" mission to soviet Afghanistan and u.s. vietnam when those 2 "conflicts" were being used as an example of how a smaller less armed opponent can hold or even defeat a larger and better armed opponent.

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Yes... like machete wielding mobs in Rwanda.

You just don't like having a taste of your own medicine.

Would have been nice. Just say to hell with the UN and try to protect people, even if it means shooting some of the nutjobs with machetes. Following his orders are what led him to having major guilt problems later on that damn near led to him committing suicide several times. He goes into a lot of detail about this in "Shake Hands with the Devil."

Well said WLDB... well said.

 

[lone wolf]

Just because Canada doesn't have a proper military with which to defend itself, and would have to rely on the US and UK if it gets into trouble, doesn't mean that other countries can't.

That Japanese ship is a bit puny, though.

The Royal Navy's HMS Ocean can carrry up to 40 vehicles.

40 vehicles or two Brit egos (one on the return)

 

[hunboldt]

I suggest that you have a rather misinformed view of what actually happened in Rwanda.

selective interpretation....

 

[MHz]

Nice, too bad radiated steel takes on a brittleness that makes it vulnerable to cracking when tagged with something hard, like in two.
Might as well tow it to Gaza City as the HQ for the new international port.


Shouldn't an ocean going carrier have another pontoon like that one? (and then a bigass deck)

 

[L Gilbert]

Well, sorry if I ruffled your feathers, Eagle, but I wasn't attacking your country; I just stated a couple examples to accent my point, which was Blacklaff's ignorant boast about the UK and sneering at Canada.
The UK ain't all that great. It's a hasbeen empire just like Rome, the Mongol Empire, the Spanish Empire, etc.

lol Having dealt with English autos before, I can understand why that tin can the UK sold Canada had electrical problems and started a fire. Not a good thing in any ship. Don't know what British wiring is like now but it was out-and-out crap a couple decades ago. And I ain't dissing the UK either, it's just history; can't change facts and I like throwing them back in blowhards' faces. I know Canada isn't without faults and I won't dodge them either.

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selective interpretation....

lol. I like that.

 

[Nuggler]

Sorry.

You have a "navy" of 15 warships and an airforce of just 391 planes.

It's hardly enough to defend yourselves should you ever need to, and yet you complain when one country does the RIGHT thing in these dangerous times and strengthens its military.

Should Canada get into trouble it'll go crying to America and Britain.

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Crying to America and the Commonwealth was not below you back in the war years. Were it not for your friends you'd be speaking German.

Nobody said the missions were comparable. That is you trying to steer away from my point to LG to yours.

But hands tied? Come on... they were UN Peace Keepers. The mission was clear.

I guess I could say our hands were tied in Vietnam. How would that fly? Not so well I am guessing.

Woops, Eagle...............better have a look at the history books. Rwanda was a UN mission, and Delaire was under UN orders. He was ordered not to interfere, and it just about broke the man. He could have stopped the thing in the very early days.

UN is composed of a bunch of dithering idiots. How they slept at night is beyond me.


The US was in Namm to "stop the spread of communism" - or so they said. That worked well, eh.

 

[BaalsTears]

Canadians are an interesting people.

 

[taxslave]

About time they picked up some of the slack in the area. If it makes China and NK nervous that is a good thing.

 

[Nuggler]

Canadians are an interesting people.

We live in interesting times

 

[Blackleaf]

Size is our best defense.

Canada isn't big, other than by land area. And that won't help you. The Japanese managed to conquer huge swathes of China.

I'd rather a strong economy to a strong military.

It's no good having a strong economy and a weak military when you are threatened with invasion by a foreign power.

You folks wanted our help, not the other way around.

Canada wasn't threatened with invasion, was it? Things would have been different if it had been.

And it's not that Britain needed Canada's help. It's just that Canada was a part of the British Empire and it was the British Empire which fought Kaiser Bill and Adolf.

 

[Walter]

Canada isn't big, other than by land area. And that won't help you. The Japanese managed to conquer huge swathes of China.



It's no good having a strong economy and a weak military when you are threatened with invasion by a foreign power.



Canada wasn't threatened with invasion, was it? Things would have been different if it had been.

And it's not that Britain needed Canada's help. It's just that Canada was a part of the British Empire and it was the British Empire which fought Kaiser Bill and Adolf.

Stop confusing us with facts.

 

[EagleSmack]

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Woops, Eagle...............better have a look at the history books. Rwanda was a UN mission, and Delaire was under UN orders. He was ordered not to interfere, and it just about broke the man. He could have stopped the thing in the very early days.

I know it was a UN mission and I know who was in charge.

And yes... he could have stopped the genocide within a few days.

The US was in Namm to "stop the spread of communism" - or so they said. That worked well, eh.

Not well at all if you asked me.

Canada was in Rwanda to keep the peace. Worked well eh?

 

[WLDB]

Canada wasn't threatened with invasion, was it? Things would have been different if it had been.

And it's not that Britain needed Canada's help. It's just that Canada was a part of the British Empire and it was the British Empire which fought Kaiser Bill and Adolf.

Yes things may have been different had it been, but it wasnt. Even though we werent directly threatened with invasion we managed to build quite a large armed forces during the war. Britain was the one threatened with invasion.

Sure, British Empire fought the Kaiser and we unfortunately got dragged along for the ride. That war was pointless and a total waste. WW2 was different. By WW2 Canada and several other former dominions were free to stay out of the war or join as it wished thanks to the Statute of Westminster. Ireland for example hadnt severed all of its ties with Britain yet but stayed out of WW2. We could have done the same.