Jane Fonda should stick to something she knows!

Decapoda

Decapoda

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Bar Sinister said:
So using your own figures the reclamation of devastated tar sands regions is still only about 4% of what has been mined. Given the fact that is all that has been done in several decades of mining I will stand by my previously post that it is going to be a very long time if ever before the region is returned to its original state. In fact I am guessing that just leaving the area to nature would be almost as fast.
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The figures I provided were for one company only - Suncor. There are approx. 48 companies working a multitude of extraction and mining projects in the Athabasca sands. Here's a list of the main companies in case you are interested:

Athabasca Oil Sands Corp
Baytex Energy Trust
Bonavista Energy Trust
BP plc
Bronco Energy Ltd
Canadian Natural Resources Ltd
Canadian Oil Sands Trust
CanWest Petroleum Corp
Cenovus Energy Inc
Chevron Corp
China National Petroleum Corp
Connacher Oil & Gas Ltd
ConocoPhillips
Devon Energy Corp
Enbridge Inc
EnCana Corp
Enerplus Resources Fund
Exxon Mobil Corp
Harvest Energy Trust
Husky Energy Inc
Imperial Oil Ltd
Inter Pipeline Fund
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners LP
Koch Resources LLC
Korea National Oil Corp
Marathon Oil Corp
MEG Energy Corp
Mocal Energy Ltd
Murphy Oil Corp
Nexen Inc
Nippon Oil Corp
Occidental Petroleum Corp
Oilsands Quest Inc
OPTI Canada Inc
Paramount Resources Ltd
Pembina Pipeline Income Fund
Pengrowth Energy Trust
Penn West Energy Trust
Petrobank Energy & Resources Ltd
Petro-Canada
Royal Dutch Shell plc
Sinopec Group
StatoilHydro ASA
Suncor Energy Inc
Syncrude Canada Ltd
Total SA
TransCanada Corp
UTS Energy Corp


It is also important to realize that many of the projects are active, they're obviously not going to begin reclamation before work has been completed.

You would likely be able to figure this out if you weren't so intent on disingenuously supporting the false-narrative that nothing is being done. Unfortunately, you apparently have no intention of educating yourself, only repeating anti-oil sands dogma. With that in mind, I could care less what you stand by. You likely still think there is a million and a half hectares of land and boreal forest ripped to pieces, I suppose you still stand by that little gem as well.

I can't help you with your self delusion. It's your choice...bask in ignorance, or put forth a bit of effort to understand what is actually going on.
 
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It's also worth noting that while actual reclamation work may be complete, reclamation certification is not granted until vegetation has reached a degree of maturity.
 
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Bar Sinister said:
So using your own figures the reclamation of devastated tar sands regions is still only about 4% of what has been mined. Given the fact that is all that has been done in several decades of mining I will stand by my previously post that it is going to be a very long time if ever before the region is returned to its original state. In fact I am guessing that just leaving the area to nature would be almost as fast.
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We don't have any tar sands in Canada. You must be looking at US figures.
 
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personal touch

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Johnnny said:
Id like to see some of these celebrities go to a "stan" that was part of the USSR and bitch over there about how humans impact the environment.

Id also like people to petition the USA and China more to reduce emmisions than come at us because we have a lot of natural resource extraction

Canadians dont need people like celbrities from other countries lecturing us.



Look above you.

Research "Sustainable Development".

You would be happy to learn that before a company rips up the ground that the same company must have the money set aside beforehand to clean up afterward. Its the law.
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I think the point is for years there were no laws,anything was go
Planting trees is not the only answer,and is a marginalized answer
You proved my point by old thinkers by this silly response

Ludlow said:
Don't know why Fonda would be in Canada was she invited?
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Yes she was a guest
 
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personal touch

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Decapoda said:
A quick internet search will give you the answers you are looking for. Education takes a bit of effort. Likely the reason you are so ill-informed is because you allow others to feed you false or biased information rather than going out and finding it for yourself. This is why you are so helplessly awestruck by an empty vessel like Jane.
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Awestruck?
Actually I have had minimal interest in the Fort Mac area,like another planet to me,don't have a clue about Fort Mac,
But I know a lot about regulatory processs,and more so the regulatory agencies who oversight for Public good within this industry
They would endorse planting trees as a solution
Not sure what is going on with these agencies these days
Excuse my ignorance
James Cameron awestruck me,I even written him a letter thanking him for visiting Alberta
Fort Mac is boring ****

Decapoda said:
Sure... as of 2015 Suncor alone has reclaimed about 3,730 hectares of oil sands in situ and mine disturbed lands. Some of the notable reclamation projects completed include:


  • In 2010, Suncor became the first oil sands company to reclaim a tailings pond to a trafficable surface or 220 hectares watershed supporting a mixed wood forest, a network of streams and a marsh wetland;
  • In 2011, Suncor joined 12 companies to form Canada’s Oil Sands Innovation Alliance, (COSIA), to accelerate environmental performance environment, including in the Land Environmental Performance Area;
  • By September 2011, 5 million trees were planted at Base Plant;
  • In 2012, Suncor set a new planting record for planting the most trees, shrub and aquatic plants in a single season - 694,533 seedlings;
  • In 2012, research results prompted them to use compostable tea bags in reclamation efforts in order to directly promote the growth of seedlings;
  • In 2013, Suncor became one of the first companies in the world to complete reconstruction of a fen peatland watershed.
  • In 2015, Suncor planted more than 230 hectares in one season, exceeding their record for largest area reclaimed in one year.
  • By the end of 2015, Suncor had planted more than 7.9 million trees, shrubs and aquatic plants on their oil sands site – including 692,808 trees in the previous year alone.

I would argue that this is a fairly comprehensive effort to reclaim mined land. I know its far from the 1.4 million hectares you want to see reclaimed, but not too bad nonetheless.

Way to go suncor, keep up the good work!
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Suncor needs to switch up their advisers too!

It would be fun to talk to someone about these trees,see what kind of numbers they can dazzle me with
Easy Peasy and fun!
 
Bar Sinister

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Decapoda said:
The figures I provided were for one company only - Suncor. There are approx. 48 companies working a multitude of extraction and mining projects in the Athabasca sands. Here's a list of the main companies in case you are interested:

Athabasca Oil Sands Corp
Baytex Energy Trust
Bonavista Energy Trust
BP plc
Bronco Energy Ltd
Canadian Natural Resources Ltd
Canadian Oil Sands Trust
CanWest Petroleum Corp
Cenovus Energy Inc
Chevron Corp
China National Petroleum Corp
Connacher Oil & Gas Ltd
ConocoPhillips
Devon Energy Corp
Enbridge Inc
EnCana Corp
Enerplus Resources Fund
Exxon Mobil Corp
Harvest Energy Trust
Husky Energy Inc
Imperial Oil Ltd
Inter Pipeline Fund
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners LP
Koch Resources LLC
Korea National Oil Corp
Marathon Oil Corp
MEG Energy Corp
Mocal Energy Ltd
Murphy Oil Corp
Nexen Inc
Nippon Oil Corp
Occidental Petroleum Corp
Oilsands Quest Inc
OPTI Canada Inc
Paramount Resources Ltd
Pembina Pipeline Income Fund
Pengrowth Energy Trust
Penn West Energy Trust
Petrobank Energy & Resources Ltd
Petro-Canada
Royal Dutch Shell plc
Sinopec Group
StatoilHydro ASA
Suncor Energy Inc
Syncrude Canada Ltd
Total SA
TransCanada Corp
UTS Energy Corp


It is also important to realize that many of the projects are active, they're obviously not going to begin reclamation before work has been completed.

You would likely be able to figure this out if you weren't so intent on disingenuously supporting the false-narrative that nothing is being done. Unfortunately, you apparently have no intention of educating yourself, only repeating anti-oil sands dogma. With that in mind, I could care less what you stand by. You likely still think there is a million and a half hectares of land and boreal forest ripped to pieces, I suppose you still stand by that little gem as well.

I can't help you with your self delusion. It's your choice...bask in ignorance, or put forth a bit of effort to understand what is actually going on.
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I googled oil sands reclamation and could find little to nothing to improve upon my figures. I did find this article posted by the petroleum industry. I found the graph most interesting. See if you can spot the thin blue line that has been certified reclaimed by the Alerta government. Land Reclamation - Canada's Oil Sands
 
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personal touch said:
I think the point is for years there were no laws,anything was go
Planting trees is not the only answer,and is a marginalized answer
You proved my point by old thinkers by this silly response
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If you think that the companies in the Bitumen Fields are only being superficial and not taking the environment seriously then you are wrong.

In the Suncor example that was mentioned it wasn't only about planting trees but also included rehabilitating a tailing pond and reclaiming a water shed. And that's pretty good so far.

But the majority of projects are still operational right now so it would be logical to think that those operations aren't at the reclamation stage, yet.

So lets give these companies a chance and look at their current operations and see if they have a plan for being responsible during production.

I chose 3 random companies from the list provided earlier and did some quick research here during breakfast to see if they are doing something or anything to be environmentally friendly just so i can bring back some optimism:

Chevron: Hydraulic Fracking Safe Guards
Responsible Development | Chevron Canada


Baytex Energy Corp: Participatation in the Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP)
Baytex Energy Corp. - Health, Safety & Environment

TransCanada Corp: Whole bunch of stuff
TransCanada | CSR Report | Environment | Ensuring Environmental Stewardship, Protection and Performance

Optimism is what I seek
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Check out this page and you will see that the environment is not being over looked.

Alberta Energy: Facts and Statistics

So stay strong young lung and pray that other places in the world like say the Orinoco Belt of Venezula can even compare to our standards and practices (Which arent perfect but currently the best in the world).

Bill Nye, Leonardo Dicaprio, Jane Fonda can go somewhere else with their bull****.

Actually I have had minimal interest in the Fort Mac area,like another planet to me,don't have a clue about Fort Mac,
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This is part of the problem. If you don't want to take the time to get a clue then you really shouldn't talk about it because like you said you dont have a clue.
 
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Danbones

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Cannuck said:
You're an idiot
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you write in the mirror?
ah...you turn the keyboard upside down so it looks normal to the rest of us

Bar Sinister said:
I googled oil sands reclamation... Land Reclamation - Canada's Oil Sands
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0.02%
of Canada's boreal forest
has been disturbed by oil sands mining
Source: AESRD, 2013
http://www.canadasoilsands.ca/en/explore-topics/land-reclamation

Canada's boreal forest comprises about one third of the circumpolar boreal forest
Canada's boreal forest is also considered to be the largest intact forest on earth, with around 3 million square kilometres still undisturbed by roads, cities and industrial development.

thats 60,000 square fruckedup kilometers
 
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