Jack Layton is desperate

[taxslave]

This is one subject that there can be no compromise on. Until criminals are forced to register their automatic handguns, which BTW are prohibited we cannot allow a bunch of city slicker politicians make criminals out of ordinary taxpayers by passing laws that make us criminals for owning something that we have had for years, often decades without hurting anyone. Or not storing it according to rules written by morons that have never used a rifle for work. Or allowing their private Gestapo to walk into our houses without permission, notice or warrant to "see" if our rifles are stored and licensed according to the current version of their ever changing rules.

Tonington: I'll take a red from you as proof that I am right again.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Maybe it's time Jack made up his mind if he's for the city slicker or the country bumpkin.

There is no particular reason why he should have to choose between them. Don't all parties claim to represent the entire population. And if you know the history of the NDP you know its roots were in rural Saskatchewan.

 

[damngrumpy]

My personal belief is, I don't want people running about with assault guns. On the other hand, I don't think the registry works anyway. it doesn't make one person more safe in this country. I don't think it is a travesty of justice either. The law is the law,
however, people are looking for ways around it like they did during prohibition.
There is nothing wrong with a farmer in northern Saskatchewan, or rural BC or
Alberta owning a long gun. On the other hand we don't want nut cases owning these
or any other guns either. There are all kinds of laws on the books dealing with weapons offences and the law should punish those convicted of crimes.
As it is, people are still getting killed and the guilty are not punished enough.
Some say its after the fact it always will be offenders don't register they buy black
market guns.

 

[Colpy]

You have 4 weeks to file a CRTC complaint. Get to er.

Not necessary....bigger guns than me are already lining them up in their sights...

Dump the CBC.

Dump the Firearms Act.

Tories blast ‘agenda-driven’ CBC gun-registry coverage - The Globe and Mail

The odd thing is, I listen to CBC Radio a lot............but the good stuff simply can not outweigh the outrage of a government-financed news service with a political agenda.

 

[captain morgan]

The odd thing is, I listen to CBC Radio a lot............but the good stuff simply can not outweigh the outrage of a government-financed news service with a political agenda.

Too true.

CBC has some really great late night stuff, but the prim drive-time slots are ruled by subjective, opinionated folks that use the opportunity to promote partisan politics.

 

[Tonington]

Tories blast ‘agenda-driven’ CBC gun-registry coverage - The Globe and Mail

The two biggest wedges for Conservative fund raisers, the gun registry, and CBC.

Still, you should complain where you'll be noticed. Complaining on this forum won't accomplish anything.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Not necessary....bigger guns than me are already lining them up in their sights...

Dump the CBC.

Dump the Firearms Act.

Tories blast ‘agenda-driven’ CBC gun-registry coverage - The Globe and Mail

The odd thing is, I listen to CBC Radio a lot............but the good stuff simply can not outweigh the outrage of a government-financed news service with a political agenda.

Do you want to shut down the CTV as well? I watch both channels and the reporting on the gun registry was pretty much identical. However, I can understand you being annoyed with both channels for reporting some unfortunate facts.

 

[JLM]

Do you want to shut down the CTV as well? I watch both channels and the reporting on the gun registry was pretty much identical. However, I can understand you being annoyed with both channels for reporting some unfortunate facts.

My radio is tuned to CBC and I find their news pretty reliable. They also invited discussion a lot so I don't think they are trying too hard to push any agenda.

 

[Liberalman]

The Conservative government tried and was defeated then they tried to sneak it in as a private members bill and it got voted down.

The long gun registry stays

Everybody is talking about the opposition parties whipping their vote.

The Conservatives accused the opposition MPs of not listening to their constituents.

What they don’t say is the Conservative MPs were whipped as well.

Jack Layton pulled it all together

 

[Colpy]

`

Do you want to shut down the CTV as well? I watch both channels and the reporting on the gun registry was pretty much identical. However, I can understand you being annoyed with both channels for reporting some unfortunate facts.

It is NOT a fact that the NRA was involved in the fight over Bill 391.....it was entirely an invention of the CBC.

An absolute fabrication in a successful attempt to influence public opinion, and the subsequent vote of MPS, in a very close parliament.

The NRA did run a radio campaign, in the USA, that could be heard in Canada.......in 2006!!!

Completely outrageous.

Were I the government,m I'd simply end their funding. Full stop.

 

[captain morgan]

The Conservative government tried and was defeated then they tried to sneak it in as a private members bill and it got voted down.

The long gun registry stays

Everybody is talking about the opposition parties whipping their vote.

The Conservatives accused the opposition MPs of not listening to their constituents.

What they don’t say is the Conservative MPs were whipped as well.

Jack Layton pulled it all together

Expect Harper to be lobbying very hard in many of the rural Ontario and Manitoba ridings where the NDP had support, from what I've heard, he has 20 or so to choose from.

From what I have heard, Harper has everything to gain adn Layton has everything to lose.

 

[Praxius]

One thing I didn't get during this whole gun registry debate is how those who went through the Dawson college shooting were going on TV in support for the registry, telling their stories and experiences from the shooting.

Now while I understand the Dawson thing was tragic and a horrible experience to go through for anybody...... what is their justification for supporting the registry??

I mean honestly, did the guy who did the shooting register his firearms and did that registry stop him from shooting more people?

No..... and No.

And because he didn't register his firearms, is that another charge they were going to place on him on top of going on a shooting rampage and killing/wounding innocent people?

Oh wait, he's dead..... so what did the registry actually do in this situation with Dawson College?

Nothing.

Someone might come up with the argument that because of the registry, less people are going out on school shooting rampages.

Really?

How bad was it before the Registry in regards to school shootings?

There was that one in Montreal which I think was one of the deciding factors for the registry in the first place...... but I don't remember people lining up in school parking lots waiting to have their go at a school after the shooter before them is all done.

And did the registry prevent another school shooting after the montreal incident?

Clearly not.

 

[Colpy]

Yep. Good on ya Praxius.

The ones I don't get..............is it Simms from Newfoundland? The Liberal MP?

A great tear-jerker, so much support for the registry....his father shot himself in June with a long gun. A tragedy, and I don't wish to belittle that....but THINK people....

Did this MP's father have an UNREGISTERED gun?
Then how could the registry have stopped this?

Did he have a REGISTERED gun?
Then how did the registry affect this?

Ridiculous....

Then you Elaine Lumley, who lost her 20 year old wonderful son in a shooting outside a Montreal bar.........I can't imagine her loss.

But he was shot......with a handgun. Which, obviously, the old handgun registry did not prevent.

And I even heard it refered to as a "stolen" handgun........(on the CBC of course)...whereas, as far as I know, no one was ever arrested, the gun was not recovered.....so how do they know it was "stolen"? Just a little hand up in the drive to ban handguns....which has NOTHING to do with the long gun registry.

Constant, never-ending irrelevant BS from the anti-gun side, when they aren't lying outright.

 

[Praxius]

Indeed Col..... I'm all for reasonable gun control.... such as training, licensing and background checks..... and I'm all for options that really do prevent gun related violence and crimes..... but I'm also someone who has been trained in, has experience with firearms and know they have purposes and uses for different people........ The Registry simply does nothing.

All the Registry is, is a simple tool for the government to appease the public and to say "Look, here's what we're doing and the head honchos in the the police force say is saves lives." ~ And people believe them, simply because they say so or because they can pull out some statistic showing a drop in gun related violence..... which has no real connections proving that the registry is responsible.

It's like some in the public crying about smokers and something needing to be done.... so the government introduces idiotic laws like warnings on packages, increase taxes on a pack of smokes.... banning where you can smoke in public.... banning flavored smokes because they claim they're geared towards children.

Yet when they banned the flavored cigarillos, all companies did was change the packaging, what they're called, their size and removed filters and guess what?

They're still being sold.

And I just heard on the news a day or so ago, that more people are smoking this year then the last.

And when people complained to the government about people eating too much junk food and becoming overweight..... they put in a law to ban Super Size, Biggie Size and Up Sized drinks and side orders.

What happened?

Places like Wendys scrapped their small size, made their medium size the new small, made large the medium and made the Biggie Size the large, but also doubled the size of the drink cup....... the Large is now bigger then the Super Size ever was, they no longer have a Small Size since the medium is now the "Small" and those stupid laws the government created still didn't change or do anything.

Yet there are people out there thinking these things are making a difference.

They not, they're a waste of time, money and resources..... and so is the registry.

 

[JLM]

Indeed Col..... I'm all for reasonable gun control.... such as training, licensing and background checks..... and I'm all for options that really do prevent gun related violence and crimes..... but I'm also someone who has been trained in, has experience with firearms and know they have purposes and uses for different people........ The Registry simply does nothing.

/QUOTE]

I always thought the best route in this regard is to control the criminal, gun control is a program dreampt up by feeble minds and bureaucrats. :lol:

 

[Colpy]

Anti-smoking laws and the anti-gun thing are indeed comparable....both reveal an extremely frightening tendency of government to demonize behaviours of which they do not approve, and to introduce ridiculous laws to forestall them......

Laws that degrade the respect honest people have for all law......as they choose to disobey......

The people must agree to be governed.....when they begin to refuse en masse, liberal democracy is in trouble

 

[captain morgan]

The people must agree to be governed.....when they begin to refuse en masse, liberal democracy is in trouble

A responsive form of democracy will respond accordingly and develop a solution that will move to satisfy all.

The situation that surrounds the long-gun registry represents nothing more than governmental arrogance and stubbornness.