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A common tactic in the Bosnian/Croation War was to kill a few of your own for CNN and then blame it on the other guy; then it's okay to attack the other guys.
Agree to a ceasefire, build up your forces, hold an interview with CNN wearing a flak jacket, whistle over a few mortars, kill a few of your own, launch an offensive.
 

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A common tactic in the Bosnian/Croation War was to kill a few of your own for CNN and then blame it on the other guy; then it's okay to attack the other guys.
Agree to a ceasefire, build up your forces, hold an interview with CNN wearing a flak jacket, whistle over a few mortars, kill a few of your own, launch an offensive.

And your point is.......?
 

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Is that why Hitler and his people were so quick about leaving the Olympics when Jesse Owens struck gold?

Blue-eyed blonde might have something to do with race....

Actually thats a myth. Hitler refused to shake hands with any non-german victor, not any non"white".

In Jesse Owens own words it was actually FDR who was more of a snub, Hitler didn't give any special treatment (positive or negative) to owens.

"“When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany.”
He also stated:

“Hitler didn't snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram
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Ironically even in Nazi germany he could travel freely while back in the US, he had to go up a segregated freight elevator for his own reception.

An odd tale often spun wrong is Jesse Owens. Afterall, he wouldn't be as inspiring as damning if people had to look at him and realise the Nazi's treated him as more of an equal than his own countrymen.
 

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A common tactic in the Bosnian/Croation War was to kill a few of your own for CNN and then blame it on the other guy; then it's okay to attack the other guys.
Agree to a ceasefire, build up your forces, hold an interview with CNN wearing a flak jacket, whistle over a few mortars, kill a few of your own, launch an offensive.
Hi, Alex;
that's interesting! Supposedly this same tactic was used by Hitler to have a reason to attack Poland.
More commonly, people believe World War 2 started in 1939. On August 31, 1939, Hitler and the Nazis staged a Polish attack on a minor German radio station in order to justify a German invasion of Poland. On September 1, Hitler declared war on Poland stating one of his reasons for the invasion was because of "the attack by regular Polish troops on the Gleiwitz transmitter."
Not that I believe this, but Wikipedia says so. A dirty war is a dirty war.... anything suffices to help the cause.
 

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Henry Makow is a screaming paranoid looney.

He didn't write any of the books that were referenced. Are all those authors also 'screaming paranoid loonies'?
VERSAILLES

Dr. E. J. Dillon of the London Daily Telegraph wrote in his book "The Inside Story of the Peace Conference," (1920): Many delegates deduced that "henceforth the world will be governed by the Anglo-Saxon people, who in turn are swayed by their Jewish elements..." (i.e. the central bankers and their factotums) p 497.

Germany was the major obstacle to using England and the U.S. to impose Illuminati rule upon the world . Thus, onerous reparations were imposed to prompt another much more devastating world war. Once it begin, the British vetoed attempts to assassinate or replace Hitler, and insisted on "unconditional surrender."

Hitler didn’t come to power until 1933 but Germany started rearming in 1919 in contravention of Versailles provisions. The Allies turned a blind eye to a program that saw Communist and German soldiers train in Russia with the latest weaponry, including whole bases devoted to air force, armor and chemical warfare. When Hitler came to power in 1933, Germany already had an advanced air force. Another way to evade Versailles was for the Reichswehr to fund and train paramilitary organizations like the Nazi SA which later could be incorporated into the regular army.
General Kurt Von Schleicher and Captains Karl Mayr and Ernst Roehm were in charge of this "Black Werhmacht" program.
Sefton Delmer, who was the Daily Express correspondent in Berlin, describes all this in his autobiography "Trail Sinister" (1961). He cites documents showing that Hitler was "acting under Mayr's orders when he joined the tiny German Workers Party and began to build it up..." (64) Delmer says Mayr also funded mass meetings and pamphlets in which Hitler railed against the Jews. "This anti-Jewish campaign ...was being promoted by no less a power than the Staff Officers of the Reichswehr." (63)

The Reichwehr's purpose was to create popular political support for WW2. According to Delmer, "Schleicher paid out no less than two million pounds from the Reichswehr's secret funds for the Nazi storm troopers..." (120) They were also funded by Illuminati industrialists and bankers.

(Born and raised in Berlin, Sefton Delmer knew Hitler personally, and had a wide range of confidential sources. During the war, he took charge of British "black propaganda" running a range of radio stations aimed at German soldiers.)

HITLER, "ANTI-COMMUNIST, ANTI-SEMITE"

Communism, Nazism and Zionism are triplets, movements conceived and nurtured by the Illuminati to dupe and manipulate humanity.

In his book "The Hidden Hitler" Lothar Machtan, a Professor of History at Bremen University says Hitler almost joined the Communists in 1918. He demanded a senior party post that would have exempted him from work but they refused. "Hitler did not set foot in the extreme right wing camp until he had been rejected by left wing groups," Machtan writes. (71)

This book asserts that Hitler was an active homosexual with a thick police file of molestation complaints both in Vienna and Munich.

According to Ian Kershaw, Hitler took part in pro Socialist and Communist demonstrations in 1918-1919 and served as a Socialist Soldiers' Council representative. ("Hitler: 1889-1936 Hubris, p 118-120.)

According to Brigitte Hamann, Hitler's best friends in pre-war Vienna were Jewish. He benefited from Jewish charities and hospitality. Jews bought most of his artwork. For this reason, real anti-Semites shunned him. ("Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship, pp.347-352)

Hamann suggests that Hitler's ideas of Aryan racial purity and superiority were based on the Jews. She quotes Hitler:

"Through Moses the Jewish people received a rule for life and living one's life that was elevated to a religion which was entirely tailored toward the essence of one's race, and simply and clearly without dogmas and dubious rules of faith...contains what served the ...well being of one's people, nothing toward consideration of others." (351)
 

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He didn't write any of the books that were referenced. Are all those authors also 'screaming paranoid loonies'?
VERSAILLES

Dr. E. J. Dillon of the London Daily Telegraph wrote in his book "The Inside Story of the Peace Conference," (1920): Many delegates deduced that "henceforth the world will be governed by the Anglo-Saxon people, who in turn are swayed by their Jewish elements..." (i.e. the central bankers and their factotums) p 497.

Germany was the major obstacle to using England and the U.S. to impose Illuminati rule upon the world . Thus, onerous reparations were imposed to prompt another much more devastating world war. Once it begin, the British vetoed attempts to assassinate or replace Hitler, and insisted on "unconditional surrender."

Hitler didn’t come to power until 1933 but Germany started rearming in 1919 in contravention of Versailles provisions. The Allies turned a blind eye to a program that saw Communist and German soldiers train in Russia with the latest weaponry, including whole bases devoted to air force, armor and chemical warfare. When Hitler came to power in 1933, Germany already had an advanced air force. Another way to evade Versailles was for the Reichswehr to fund and train paramilitary organizations like the Nazi SA which later could be incorporated into the regular army.
General Kurt Von Schleicher and Captains Karl Mayr and Ernst Roehm were in charge of this "Black Werhmacht" program.
Sefton Delmer, who was the Daily Express correspondent in Berlin, describes all this in his autobiography "Trail Sinister" (1961). He cites documents showing that Hitler was "acting under Mayr's orders when he joined the tiny German Workers Party and began to build it up..." (64) Delmer says Mayr also funded mass meetings and pamphlets in which Hitler railed against the Jews. "This anti-Jewish campaign ...was being promoted by no less a power than the Staff Officers of the Reichswehr." (63)

The Reichwehr's purpose was to create popular political support for WW2. According to Delmer, "Schleicher paid out no less than two million pounds from the Reichswehr's secret funds for the Nazi storm troopers..." (120) They were also funded by Illuminati industrialists and bankers.

(Born and raised in Berlin, Sefton Delmer knew Hitler personally, and had a wide range of confidential sources. During the war, he took charge of British "black propaganda" running a range of radio stations aimed at German soldiers.)

HITLER, "ANTI-COMMUNIST, ANTI-SEMITE"

Communism, Nazism and Zionism are triplets, movements conceived and nurtured by the Illuminati to dupe and manipulate humanity.

In his book "The Hidden Hitler" Lothar Machtan, a Professor of History at Bremen University says Hitler almost joined the Communists in 1918. He demanded a senior party post that would have exempted him from work but they refused. "Hitler did not set foot in the extreme right wing camp until he had been rejected by left wing groups," Machtan writes. (71)

This book asserts that Hitler was an active homosexual with a thick police file of molestation complaints both in Vienna and Munich.

According to Ian Kershaw, Hitler took part in pro Socialist and Communist demonstrations in 1918-1919 and served as a Socialist Soldiers' Council representative. ("Hitler: 1889-1936 Hubris, p 118-120.)

According to Brigitte Hamann, Hitler's best friends in pre-war Vienna were Jewish. He benefited from Jewish charities and hospitality. Jews bought most of his artwork. For this reason, real anti-Semites shunned him. ("Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship, pp.347-352)

Hamann suggests that Hitler's ideas of Aryan racial purity and superiority were based on the Jews. She quotes Hitler:

"Through Moses the Jewish people received a rule for life and living one's life that was elevated to a religion which was entirely tailored toward the essence of one's race, and simply and clearly without dogmas and dubious rules of faith...contains what served the ...well being of one's people, nothing toward consideration of others." (351)

Do me a favour.....before you quote some moron, look at his references........The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.....proven a long, long time ago. Whomever quotes this stuff is either a vicious liar or a lunatic. Being generally a nice guy, and always wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, I said Makow was a lunatic.

Yeah. Hitler murdered 6 million Jews because he LIKED them.

Okay.

That makes sense.

And YES, he murdered 6 million Jews.

Historical fact, not hysterical delusion.
 

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Communism, Nazism and Zionism are triplets, movements conceived and nurtured by the Illuminati to dupe and manipulate humanity.


That right there says alot about the credibility of your source. Seriously.

The Illuminati did it eh? WWII, The Cold War and then for some reason, the tiny insignifigant (on a worldwide scale) Israeli Conflicts are all the master plans of some evil cabal of robed mystics.




Who controls the British crown?
Who keeps the metric system down?
We do, We do.

Who keeps Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do, we do.

Who keeps back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star?
We do, we do.

Who robs cavefish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do, we dooooooo.
 

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Do me a favour.....before you quote some moron, look at his references........The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery.....proven a long, long time ago. Whomever quotes this stuff is either a vicious liar or a lunatic. Being generally a nice guy, and always wanting to give the benefit of the doubt, I said Makow was a lunatic.

That paper isn't even about Jews, it is about fallen angels.
The Origin of a Lie
In 1903, portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were serialized in a Russian newspaper, Znamya (The Banner). The version of the Protocols that has endured and has been translated into dozens of languages, however, was first published in Russia in 1905 as an appendix to The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007058
 

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That paper isn't even about Jews, it is about fallen angels.
The Origin of a Lie
In 1903, portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were serialized in a Russian newspaper, Znamya (The Banner). The version of the Protocols that has endured and has been translated into dozens of languages, however, was first published in Russia in 1905 as an appendix to The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007058
Exactly!

It is a fake, a forgery, a lie.

Anyone who uses it as a serious reference is a lunatic or a vicious liar.

That is EXACTLY what I was saying!

That is exactly what this source says The Origin Of a LIE!
 

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Colpy: Pull your own head out of biassed web sites and journals. The Holocost had NOTHING to do with Christian, non-Christian or Jew. It had everything to do with the crazy illusion of finding perfection in a human being. Though completely inexcusable, it was about control. Don't ever kid yourself. Money people covet their power and keep the wealth among their own. They don't give a damn for anyone deemed by them as beneath them. Believe it or not, there are two sides to every story. Why not seek the middle ground where the truth is?

Racial superiority was propaganda. A few people at the top might have genuinely believed it, but most Nazis were in it for power and wealth. The Holocaust was about what its always about... greed. Imagine stealing the wealth of millions of people. Europeans already had a predisposition to irrationally hating Jews and were easily manipulated by anti-Semitic propaganda. The same processes are clearly evident today.

The Holocaust is not the first or last example of man's inhumanity toward man. I can think of many other smaller and greater examples throughout history.

I can draw many parallels between events then and events today:

wiki
Kristallnacht IPA: [kr,ɪst.aɫ.n'ɒxt] (literally Crystal night[1]) was a pogrom in Nazi Germany on 9–10 November, 1938. On a single night, 91 Jews were murdered, and 25,000–30,000 were arrested and deported to concentration camps.[2][3]

The Nazis coordinated an attack on Jewish people and their property in Germany and German-controlled lands as a part of Hitler's anti-Semitic policy.[4]...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

Israeli Extra-Judicial Executions


by Stephen Lendman


Global Research, March 2, 2008

At 8:50AM on February 27, an Israeli aircraft fired two missiles at a civilian microbus on the coastal road near Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip. Six members of the Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades were in it at the time. Five of them were killed. The sixth one was seriously injured.

Twenty minutes later, another aircraft attacked a vehicle in which other Izziddin al-Qassam Brigades members were traveling. They escaped harm by fleeing before missiles struck their car and destroyed it.

On March 1, Hamas reported that Israelis killed 91 Palestinians in February, 83 in Gaza and eight in West Bank, and the killing continues to escalate. The International Middle East Media Center (IMEMC) said eyewitnesses confirmed that IDF troops and tanks invaded Jabalyia (in Gaza) before dawn on Saturday. They targeted the refugee camp, struck at resident homes, attacked medical relief workers, fired missiles at cars and in residential areas, and killed at least 37 Palestinians (mostly civilians) and injured 120 others by midday. IMEMC later on Saturday raised the toll to 56 dead and updated it again Sunday AM to 98 as IDF forces continued rampaging without letup.

Haaretz first reported 34 deaths on Saturday, including five children and three women. Later in the day, it upped the total to 50, then 59 and by Sunday noon the total known killed was "more than 70." AP first indicated 33 deaths, then raised it to 45, then 50 late in the day and 66 by Sunday morning (plus about 200 wounded) and nearly 100 deaths since February 27...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8242

Millions of people loose their rights, their property, then their lives. Does that sound familar?

Not much has changed. Its still about greed.
 

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Israeli Defense Minister Urges Olmert to Step Aside

JERUSALEM — Israel’s defense minister called on Wednesday for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to remove himself from his post pending the outcome of a high-profile corruption investigation in which Mr. Olmert is embroiled.
The defense minister, Ehud Barak, a former prime minister, was the first senior member of Israel’s coalition government to insist Mr. Olmert relinquish his office over the corruption case.
“The prime minister must disconnect himself from the daily running of the government,” Mr. Barak, said at a lunchtime news conference broadcast live from the Parliament building.
It was a further blow to the embattled prime minister, but many here are wary of writing Mr. Olmert off, and in the past he has proven to be a savvy survivor.

Read the whole boiling soup here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/wo...hp&oref=slogin
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Should one be happy, if Olmert steps down? Or will the next one be worse... I mean for the Palestinian cause? It seems to me that so far one has been as bad as the other... not much difference.
 

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This is old news.

Nov 7, 2007

Olmert voted most corrupt politician

Even after sharing his personal health problems with the general public, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is still seen as the country's most corrupt government minister, according to a poll released Wednesday evening at the Sderot Conference for Society, which took place Tuesday and Wednesday in the southern border town.

However, while coming out at number one last year, too, with 42 percent of those questioned saying that Olmert's public behavior was corrupt to very corrupt, this year more than half (56%) took that position.

Olmert had stiff competition for the number one spot, however, from former finance minister Avraham Hirchson, who allegedly took public funds for personal use. Hirchson came in a very close second with 55% saying he was corrupt.

Tied for third place were Vice Premier Haim Ramon, who was recently convicted of sexual harassment, and Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman, with 33%. Sharing fourth place for the most corrupt government ministers were Defense Minister Ehud Barak (29%) and current Finance Minister Ronnie Bar-On.

The cabinet's only two women, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Education Minister Yuli Tamir, received a far more honorable standing, being labeled the most honest government ministers. Livni won the title last year, too. This year, 46% of those polled said they believed she was honest to very honest and 40% said the same about Tamir. Other government ministers considered to be honest were Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz (35%), Minister for Internal Security Avi Dichter (27%) and Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Industry, Trade and Labor Eli Yishai (25%)...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1192380760608

The question is now who will replace Olmert. Most likely it will be Livni. While Livni is no peacemonger, she seems competent, charismatic and funny:

Israeli Foreign Minister Takes on Olmert

May 2, 2007; 6:33 PM

JERUSALEM -- Tzipi Livni learned politics early as the daughter of a prominent hard-line activist. Starting out in intelligence, she has made a meteoric rise through Israeli politics and is now the biggest threat to replace Ehud Olmert _ and become Israel's first female prime minister since Golda Meir.

A close ally of former premier Ariel Sharon, Livni followed a similar political metamorphosis. She started as a hawk, rejecting compromise with the Palestinians, but evolved into a centrist advocating creation of a Palestinian state while safeguarding Israel's security

Perhaps reflecting her time as a Mossad agent as a young woman in the early 1980s, the 48-year-old Livni is cautious and deliberate _ a major departure from the affable, cigar-chomping Olmert, who has made costly missteps with his inexact wording in the past.

An example of Livni's low-key style was the careful phrasing of her demand to Olmert on Wednesday. "I told him that resignation would be the right thing for him to do," she told reporters, setting herself up to step in and become Israel's next premier.

While she does not have an electric presence, Livni consistently scores well in popularity polls, projecting a calm competence that resonates with an Israeli public worn down by years of conflict. She also has some experience in the military and security service, albeit in her 20s.

Bubbling under her sober demeanor is a droll sense of humor.

During an official trip Livni made to Moscow with Sharon, Russian President Vladimir Putin remarked that the prime minister had brought along a beautiful Cabinet minister in order to seduce Russian Jews into moving to Israel.

Later, when a reporter asked how she intended to "seduce" a million Russian immigrants, Livni deadpanned, "One at a time."...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050201682.html

She's played her cards well and been patient. I'd say she's had her knife out for Olmert since Lebanon 2006:

During war, PM ignored Livni's plan for early exit from Lebanon

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and the Foreign Ministry staff began to plan the exit strategy from Lebanon on July 13, the day after the war broke out, according to the results of a Haaretz investigation of diplomatic moves during the war.

However, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert gave his nod to the move only 10 days later.

Livni met with Olmert in July 16 and proposed a diplomatic exit from the crisis, but Olmert said the Israel Defense Forces would need more time. The foreign minister then had difficulty gaining access to Olmert, encountering postponed and delayed meetings....

...The Haaretz probe also revealed that the Foreign Ministry believed from the outset that Israel would have a difficult time freeing its captive soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, through a military operation. On July 18 and 19, Olmert said that the fighting would continue until the soldiers were released, but Israel had to backtrack on this position following a clarification by the U.S. administration that it would not support this demand. "We also have abductees in Iraq," U.S. officials said...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/769402.html
 

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I can draw many parallels between events then and events today:

The Nazis coordinated an attack on Jewish people and their property in Germany and German-controlled lands as a part of Hitler's anti-Semitic policy.

The Israeli's coordinated an attack on Arab Militants who have been firing rockets at Israeli citizens every freakin' day for like two years now.


End of parallel.