Israel launches Gaza offensive, kills Hamas commander

[Ron in Regina]

I guess this Thread is closed 'till time permits to wade through it,
removing the personal attacks, name calling, personal insults,
general stupidity and Trollishness, ect...

I'm sure I missed a bunch, but I yoinked out some of the worst in the last 150 posts or
so. If you are off-topic, name calling, personally attacking, doing the "fify" thing, or just
being an arsehole troll in this thread....or quoting any of the above...expect your post
not to be here the next time you look at the thread.

 

[Andem]

I'm fully behind Ron in Regina. Any more bull like personal attacks, rude language or falling outside of the norms of common sense and you're off either for a while or permanently.


To add: This applies to all threads, not just this one.

 

[MHz]

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel and the Hamas militant group edged closer to a cease-fire Tuesday to end a weeklong Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip, but after a day of furious diplomatic efforts involving the U.S. secretary of state, U.N. chief and Egypt's president, a deal remained elusive and fighting raged on both sides of the border.
Clinton was hastily dispatched to the region by President Barack Obama to join a high-profile group of world leaders working to halt the violence.

Nobody from Hamas?? No Gaza flags?? Hell of a way to hammer out a deal, do they just deliver their version of the finalized deal, probably not anytime before the 7 weeks are up, this is so same-old, same-old.
No wonder Israel doesn't want Gaza to have UN recognition, Israel would be in court having to defend themselves and their own methods would spell their end (as far as being a political entity there)

Hey Bill C., I think he is checking out her butt.

 

[Goober]

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel and the Hamas militant group edged closer to a cease-fire Tuesday to end a weeklong Israeli offensive in the Gaza Strip, but after a day of furious diplomatic efforts involving the U.S. secretary of state, U.N. chief and Egypt's president, a deal remained elusive and fighting raged on both sides of the border.
Clinton was hastily dispatched to the region by President Barack Obama to join a high-profile group of world leaders working to halt the violence.

Nobody from Hamas?? No Gaza flags?? Hell of a way to hammer out a deal, do they just deliver their version of the finalized deal, probably not anytime before the 7 weeks are up, this is so same-old, same-old.
No wonder Israel doesn't want Gaza to have UN recognition, Israel would be in court having to defend themselves and their own methods would spell their end (as far as being a political entity there)

Hey Bill C., I think he is checking out her butt.

No Hamas flags- Now that should not be a shock- No Palestinian flag- that should not be a shock- They are meeting in Jerusalem.
Now the ceasefire if you are not aware is one that Israel was working on with Hamas prior to the last attacks.
This included Hamas controlling Islamic Jihad - No more rocket attacks- Hamas to act upon Israeli intelligence regarding possible attacks- Israel to retain the ability to act with force against an imminent attack and retain the ability to take out such targets- this would not be considered a violation of the deal they were working on.
Lifting of the blockade and cargo inspected by independent monitors. Egypt to close down the tunnels and weapons smuggling.
The outgoing leader of Hamas wanted a deal with Israel- as many do. Those outside and high values targets for Israel do not. So Hamas is split.

 

[MHz]

Seriously, how many Hamas people do you (or anybody) expect to come rushing forward in person when you will be targeted for extermination. In the past they would have had a hard time finding you, today with Israel being the insider to the world's telephone and other communication methods makes targeting possible. While technology strides do impress me how it is used doesn't so much, know what I mean?
How many Israeli politicians would jump for the job where the last 6 who had it were all assassinated within a short time?
How does it get verified that Hamas is firing rockets, do any of the parts get sent out for testing (say to Russia or China) or is it just printed as part of a broader propaganda program and they do exist and not a small program either.
We both know why Israel doesn't take them to the ICC (set up for that very purpose).

Jews want respect, so does everybody else, but respect is based on how you interact with other segments of the global community (members of the UN rather than the UN or the security members) today rather than being slaves (wrong term, construction workers and service industry persons) some 4,000 years ago being something that gives them more rights than anybody.

 

[Goober]

I posted this from another site on this thread. Seems no one can get the head around or outside of the box they are in regarding the ME.

Israel's Shortsighted Assassination: Hamas' Al-Jabari was working to PREVENT rocket attacks -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net

No government can tolerate having its civilian population attacked by rockets from a neighboring territory. And the firing of thousands of rockets from Gaza into Israel must end. There was a chance for a mutually agreed cease-fire. The difference between the proposal I drafted in cooperation with my Hamas counterpart and past proposals was that it included both a mechanism for dealing with impending terror threats and a clear definition of breaches. This draft was to be translated and shared with both Mr. Jabari and Israeli security officials, who were aware of our mediation efforts.

In the draft, which I understand Mr. Jabari saw hours before he was killed, it was proposed that Israeli intelligence information transmitted through the Egyptians would be delivered to Mr. Jabari so that he could take action aimed at preventing an attack against Israel. Mr. Jabari and his forces would have had an opportunity to prove that they were serious when they told Egyptian intelligence officials that they were not interested in escalation. If Mr. Jabari had agreed to the draft, then we could have prevented this new round of violence; if he had refused, then Israel would have likely attacked in much the same way as it is now.

The proposal was at least worth testing. Moreover, it included the understanding that if Israel were to take out a real ticking bomb - people imminently preparing to launch a rocket - such a strike would not be considered a breach of the cease-fire and would not lead to escalation.

Instead, Mr. Jabari is dead - and with him died the possibility of a long-term cease-fire. Israel may have also compromised the ability of Egyptian intelligence officials to mediate a short-term cease-fire and placed Israel's peace treaty with Egypt at risk.

 

[MHz]

Paul Danahar BBC Middle East bureau chief, Gaza City tweets: Local journalists say they saw Hamas execute six people in the last half hour in #Gaza for being #Israeli informers

Sorry no link but lets say it is real and they killed people that were traitors. In my book that makes them more moral than the US in that Prescott was a traitor and he was given a life-long promotion at tax=payer expense. Which group took the right moral decision when 'traitor' on the books calls for execution.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Paul Danahar BBC Middle East bureau chief, Gaza City tweets: Local journalists say they saw Hamas execute six people in the last half hour in #Gaza for being #Israeli informers

Sorry no link but lets say it is real and they killed people that were traitors. In my book that makes them more moral than the US in that Prescott was a traitor and he was given a life-long promotion at tax=payer expense. Which group took the right moral decision when 'traitor' on the books calls for execution.

Hamas gunmen execute six ‘Israeli spies’ as Netanyahu hints at cease-fire | Israel & Middle East | World | News | National Post

Hamas Publicly Executes Six ‘Israeli Spies,’ Bodies Desecrated And Dragged Through Streets

Both Link's are about 10hrs old.

...but maybe they've gone after another 1/2 dozen in the last half hour. That wouldn't
surprise me.

 

[darkbeaver]

Smoldering Israel, excellent title for a very popular movie.

 

[MHz]

Was the comment about killing traitors being bad or was it geared to that Israel has more spies? I would suspect that the tracking is done through the telecommunication part rather than 'word-of mouth' because hunted men don't stay in one place but they do use the same phones or their body-guards. you wouldn't want that info to get out as everybody would just start switching phones with each other, many times a day.

Do you not find it somewhat odd that they were all in the same van at the same time? The sign I can understand, the dragging bodies around is a bit overboard but then the one doing the pulling might have lost some family members and at that point if it was my own family I might be more than tempted to inflict damage to a body even after it was lifeless.
Was the crowd wise and they also knew they were traitors or did their actions come from another factor?

Smoldering Israel, excellent title for a very popular movie.

I'd rather see 14 Rothschild retreats go up in flames and have them all retire to Madagascar for 500 years.

Somebody is pushing Israel and the US to make sure the place stays in turmoil.

 

[darkbeaver]

Was the comment about killing traitors being bad or was it geared to that Israel has more spies? I would suspect that the tracking is done through the telecommunication part rather than 'word-of mouth' because hunted men don't stay in one place but they do use the same phones or their body-guards. you wouldn't want that info to get out as everybody would just start switching phones with each other, many times a day.

Do you not find it somewhat odd that they were all in the same van at the same time? The sign I can understand, the dragging bodies around is a bit overboard but then the one doing the pulling might have lost some family members and at that point if it was my own family I might be more than tempted to inflict damage to a body even after it was lifeless.
Was the crowd wise and they also knew they were traitors or did their actions come from another factor?


I'd rather see 14 Rothschild retreats go up in flames and have them all retire to Madagascar for 500 years.

Somebody is pushing Israel and the US to make sure the place stays in turmoil.

Yup, that would be the masters of usary, what we see or think we see are just the lesser bretheren, who will do anything to please even if it means sacrifice their own in burnt offerings. So the story goes. The economy of this planet has advanced to permanent efficient war already thousands of years in the making.

 

[CDNBear]

Who knew people so full of hatred of Jews and genocidal lust, could be so sensitive.

 

[MHz]

Well bear for somebody who hands out as many red things as you do I would have to assume there is nobody more sensitive than you.

 

[CDNBear]

Well bear for somebody who hands out as many red things as you do I would have to assume there is nobody more sensitive than you.

I was just doing what EAO wanted.

If you have a problem, PM him.

 

[Goober]

Was the comment about killing traitors being bad or was it geared to that Israel has more spies? I would suspect that the tracking is done through the telecommunication part rather than 'word-of mouth' because hunted men don't stay in one place but they do use the same phones or their body-guards. you wouldn't want that info to get out as everybody would just start switching phones with each other, many times a day.

I would say it goes to the rule of Law.
Just added.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/1...ys-killers-of-israeli-spies-must-be-punished/

 

[Locutus]

Twitter: Idiocy of the Left on Display

Note: Anthony De Rosa is a reporter for Reuters.


small dead animals: Twitter: Idiocy of the Left on Display

 

[earth_as_one]

Idiots on the right support Zionist oppression and injustice. Some of them even believe that if Zionists increase Gaza suffering they can peacefully cleanse Palestine of Palestinians while millions of people will happily live out their lives in permanent incarceration from birth until death. So far, that approach has only helped Gazans become better rocket makers...

How about taking an approach based on respect for fundamental human rights? Only freedom and justice leads to peace.

 

[DaSleeper]

And some idiots support jihadists blowing up school buses........


Edit: For the record:roll:

 

[Cliffy]

Supporters of violence perpetrated by either side have to have a few screws loose. Personally I think the ME is not much more than a reality show in poor taste designed to distract people from looking at the mess in their own back yard.

 

[Goober]

Idiots on the right support Zionist oppression and injustice. Some of them even believe that if Zionists increase Gaza suffering they can peacefully cleanse Palestine of Palestinians while millions of people will happily live out their lives in permanent incarceration from birth until death. So far, that approach has only helped Gazans become better rocket makers...

Now who are you referring to????

How about taking an approach based on respect for fundamental human rights? Only freedom and justice leads to peace.

Both sides have to do that.