The worst enemy of Palestinian refugees are their Arab brothers:
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Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Do you have proof of any wrong doing?
And what about that is supposed to back up your bias Joo hating?
From an Arab journalist?
My guess is, this won't even rank a blip on mhz' or eao's radar.
Someone took their nasty pills today. I hate Jews about as much as Justice Goldstone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Goldstone
My posts are based mostly on his report as well as reports by AI and HRW. I've never made a remark against Judaism or Jews in general. I am not afraid of Israeli apologists like you who deny Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity, attack Israel's critics with anti-Semitic labels and blame Israeli war crime victims for their suffering.
My remarks concerning Israel are about the individuals who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Not all these Israeli criminals are Jewish. Some like this cold blooded killer who got away with murdering a 13 year old schoolgirl are Druze:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iman_Darweesh_Al_Hams
Its no coincidence that Israel offered a few war criminal scalps the same day Obama and Netanyahu were mugging for the cameras in Washington. The Netanyahu administration is trying to appease the Obama administration. About $5-10 billion US in annual American (government/private) economic and military aid to Israel is at stake.
I noticed that you can't condemn the deliberate targetting of innocent unarmed civilians trying to flee under a white flag of truce, or the IDF's routine use of civilians as human shields at gunpoint, even though Israel has indicted several soldiers for these crimes. What will it take for you to condemn Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity?
At what point would they become so horrific and obvious that even you would finally admit them?
Apparently abducting civilians including children, stripping them to their underwear under cold damp conditions, denying food and water while restraining them in stress positions in pits surrounded by razor wire next to takes and artillery as they pound densely populated urban areas with chemical weapons which sear flesh to the bone doesn't cross any lines for you? So how bad would it have to get before you finally condemn Israeli war crimess and crimes humanity?
I would agree that the ball is now in Hamas's court.
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As per international law, Palestinian refugees are Israel's responsibility. As refugees, they have a legal right to return to their original homes after the fighting ends, which was about 60 years ago. In fact, that was one of the conditions imposed on Israel for UN recognition. At the time Israel agreed to these conditions, but once they got UN recognition, they broke their word. Until Israel finally keeps its word and meets the original conditions for UN recognition, their membership in the UN should be revoked, they should face punitive sanctions and Israel should have to pick up the tab for the burden they imposed on Lebanon and other countries. If this had happened 60 years ago, we probably wouldn't have a Palestinian refugee problem today.
To prove that Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have it as bad as the ones living under Israeli occupation, you'll have to prove the Lebanese government blocks food, medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching Palestinian refugees, give examples of the Lebanese soldiers abducting innocent civilians including children to use as human shields, shooting innocent civilians while holding a white flag of truce or other crimes and crimes against humanity which Israeli soldiers have committed against Palestinians.
Israel has never been interested in a two state solution. What they want is what they have today. A single state with a series of large concentration camps, where they can relocate their undesirables and beat them into submission. Unfortunately for Israel, the reality is that the more harshly you treat people, the more you take away from them, they less they have to loose by violently resisting oppression and injustice.
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Excuse me? Care to prove that?
I would otherwise agree 100%, but some of these people, if not most, abandoned their homes under the urging and warning by Arab nations that amassed to attack and destroy Israel.
How do you figure abandonment into your opinion?
Hmmm, I guess protesting their treatment by the Lebonese Gov't, isn't proof that they don't like how they're being treated eh?
Here is where your argument falls down.......what about the 800,000 Jews evicted or driven from Arab countries with nothing??? Once again, your reply (I know what it will be) reveals your other face.....
The reality is that Israel has taken on the responsibility for those driven out of Arab lands.......a fair exchange for Arabs taking care of those who fled what is now Israel.......except the Arabs have NEVER stepped up to help their Palestinian brothers......
There are already two states: Israel is the Jewish state, Jordan is the Palestinian state..........the creation of a third is fine, except the Palestinians keep blowing it, whether it be Arafat declaring the Second Intifada to cover up his colossal thefts, or the election of the fanatic Jew killers in Hamas, or the misuse of Gaza as a launching pad for terrorist attack after Israel's unilateral withdrawal.......
Oh, BTW, the life expectancy at birth in Lebanon is 73.66 years.
Life expectancy at birth in Gaza is 73.42 years......statistically identical.
The world life expectancy is 66.12 years.........
want to tell me again about the horrible persecution and genocide of Gazans?
I need a laugh.
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BTW, as long as we're at it..........life expectancy at birth in Egypt is 72.12 years.....a year less than in Gaza........
Tell me one more time about Israeli genocide of Gazans.....I'm not quite convinced.
Besides the fact that one atrocity does not justify another, most of the people who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries were not forced out at gunpoint, or fleeing an ethnic cleansing war.
List of massacres committed prior to the 1948 Arab?Israeli war in Mandate Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Killings and massacres during the 1948 Palestine War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
People voluntary give up their citizenship from one country and take citizenship from another all the time. They are "immigrants", not "refugees".
About 10,000 or so Jews who fled in the opposite direction of the 800,000 Arabs during the 1947 ethnic cleansing war and the 1948 al Nakba, or Israeli war of independence qualify as refugees. Some of the hundreds of thousands of Arab Jews who became Israeli citizens during the 40's and 50's might qualify as refugees. But I seriously doubt every single Arab Jew who became an Israeli citizen after the 1948 war qualify as a refugee.
Many of Arab Jews immigrated to Israel for the same reason why many Jews also immigrated to Israel from Canada, the US, Europe. South America, Asia, Australia, India at the same time... They were looking for a better life and Israel offered land, and other incentives while their host countries offered mostly oppression and injustice, not strictly because they were Jews, but also because these countries were ruled by cruel and corrupt dictators. Arab Jews like other Jews immigrating from the rest of the world applied for Israeli citizenship and if they were Jewish enough, they got it.
I have no doubt that many non-Jewish Arabs blamed their Jewish Arab neighbors for the Zionist ethnic cleansing, and many Arab Jews faced increased oppression and persecution from their Muslim neighbors. But in general most Arab Jews were treated no worse than other non-Muslim Arabs like Christian Arabs.
Most Arab Jews do not claim they are refugees. In fact this common Israeli propaganda talking point is a relatively recently phenomenon. At the time, most Arab countries tried to prevent their Jewish population from leaving. Jewish emigration was a huge brain drain and many Arab countries suffered as a result of loosing Engineers, Doctors, Accountants, Business leaders... At the time, Israel was offering attractive immigration incentives/subsidies, and crying "Let our people go!"
But don't take my word for it. Read for yourself an Jewish Arab viewpoint:
Also
Israel/Palestine: Refugees and Ethnic Cleansing
To claim every Jewish person who moved to Israel from Arab countries is a refugee is complete nonsense.
Regarding the division of land into Israel and Jordan as being a fair... precisely 0 Jews immigrated to Israel from Jordan. Your statement implies that Jews are entitled to land where no Jews lived. Did God promise them that land too? Please prove me wrong by finding an example of a significant Jordanian Jewish population. Jordanian Jews are about as common as Antarctic Jews. How much of Antarctica can Israel claim?
Those are Military Tribunals, the kids aren't even allowed to testify. lolDo you have proof of any wrong doing?
And what about that is supposed to back up your bias Joo hating?
From an Arab journalist?
My guess is, this won't even rank a blip on mhz' or eao's radar.
If a score of 600-0 doesn't clue you in follow any Nation that has the Military investigate the Military. The rate would be the same no matter what Nation did the 'crimes' and the investigation. Way to raise the stupid bar again.
Nothing hateful about it, you already know first hand how I feel about liars. Being God's people in the OT doesn't bind them to being truthful. In fact that claim puts a glimmer in their eye and a quiver in their voice. With out God there to back them up they are just another smoke and mirror show. I'm critical of the US in it's dealings with Iran in 1953, that is another example of a liar, can't call it anti-semite, and really, if you point out to the Jews that they are making a mistake with the current policy, if they are looking for long-term peace then how is that being a 'hater'?
As it is, land grab and removal (deportation) of Arabs is an ongoing policy. Sugar coat it any way you want, if it was wrong in WWII, it is wrong after WWII. IF we had any original intention of backing our words up , the question it is long gone now, apparently not, making us the liars and that comes with the proverbial black-hat. You might be quite comfortable with it but I'm not.
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7. In summarizing its finding that the wall violates international humanitarian law and international human rights law, the Court has the following to say:
“To sum up, the Court, from the material available to it, is not convinced that the specific course Israel has chosen for the wall was necessary to attain its security objectives. The wall, along the route chosen, and its associated régime gravely infringe a number of rights of Palestinians residing in the territory occupied by Israel, and the infringements resulting from that route cannot be justified by military exigencies or by the requirements of national security or public order. The construction of such a wall accordingly constitutes breaches by Israel of various of its obligations under the applicable international humanitarian law and human rights instruments.” (Para. 137.)
The Court supports this conclusion with extensive quotations of the relevant legal provisions and with evidence that relates to the suffering the wall has caused along some parts of its route. But in reaching this conclusion, the Court fails to address any facts or evidence specifically rebutting Israel’s claim of military exigencies or requirements of national security. It is true that in dealing with this subject the Court asserts that it draws on the factual summaries provided by the United Nations Secretary-General as well as some other United Nations reports. It is equally true, however, that the Court barely addresses the summaries of Israel’s position on this subject that are attached to the Secretary-General’s report and which contradict or cast doubt on the material the Court claims to rely on. Instead, all we have from the Court is a description of the harm the wall is causing and a discussion of various provisions of international humanitarian law and human rights instruments followed by the conclusion that this law has been violated. Lacking is an examination of the facts that might show why the alleged defences of military exigencies, national security or public order are not applicable to the wall as a whole or to the individual segments of its route. The Court says that it “is not convinced” but it fails to demonstrate why it is not convinced, and that is why these conclusions are not convincing.
Israel High Court decision regarding the security fence -Sept 15, 2005 - Complete Text Source Document - Zionism and Israel Information Center
The fence was there late last year and I doubt it has moved.
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In May 2009, Palestinian residents of Ein Yabroud, with help from human rights group Yesh Din, had petitioned the High Court of Justice against the construction of a waste purification facility built illegally on their land.
The state argued during the hearing that retroactive approval of the plant is the only solution to Ofra's sewage problem, and that Palestinian residents of nearby villages would also benefit as they would in the future also be connected to the facility.
However, the justices were firm in their opposition to the state's argument. "How does this square with fundamental criteria for proper management?" asked Justice Procaccia. "First you build and then you authorize?"
The state representative argues that currently there is no solution, to which Justice Procaccia replied "There is no solution other than an illegal solution?"
The petitioners were represented by attorneys Michael Sfard, Shlomy Zachary and Avisar Lev of the Yesh Din legal team.
After the hearing, Sfard said, "This case is an example of criminal cooperation between the settlers and the state. The sate has added insult to injury by refusing to correct the situation after it was caught in the act. The settlement of Ofra is not above the law – and we will not rest until the stolen lands are returned to their rightful owners."
Israel's chief justice lashes out over illegal West Bank building - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
How long should they be given to comply before it is a hollow victory?
Mock Arabs and Muslims as much as you like, it only shows you have no moral fiber, a good little sheeple to the Nth degree. Fact is it was no different for them to come to the 'aid' in May of 1948 than it was for Canada to jump when GB declared war on Germany. Not that we turned the tied but giving them out back was never an option. Why shouldn't the 11 Countries turn their back and let the 33 Nations (really about 10 ruled over the other 23) handle the whole affair. If they don't like the way it was handled they can boycott the Nations. Eceonomic sanctions would cripple the West. Most Muslims countries could handle a few more years of abject poverty. North America and most of Europe would fall before the end of the first winter.
It isn't like the Arabs or Muslims have any choice in turning their backs on them, even allowing the to remain as refugees is enough to bring some sort of sanctions on the host country. Being the bully on the block only works so long.
As usual your guess is wrong.
The Arabs in the 3 areas had their rights stated in UN181 and Israel signed on to support that agreement with the signing of UN273. Do you have something to show anybody, anywhere else was given such rights?
You need to supply a link, your word isn't worth anything either.
Arab?Israeli conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1949–1967
Before the adoption by the United Nations of Resolution 181 in November 1947 and the declaration of the State of Israel in May 1948, several Arab countries adopted discriminatory measures against their local Jewish populations.[26][27] There were riots in Yemen and Syria. In Libya, Jews were deprived of citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.[28] As a result, a large number of Jews were forced to emigrate from Arab lands, although many also emigrated for ideological reasons.[29] Over 700,000 Jews emigrated to Israel between 1948 and 1952, with approximately 285,000 of them from Arab countries.[30][29] Overall, about 850,000 Jews had left the Arab World by the early 1970s (according to official Arab documentation), with many of them leaving their property behind.[31] Today, these displaced Jews and their descendants represent 41% of the total population of Israel. For details, see Jewish exodus from Arab lands.
You're right. Some were fleeing poverty caused by Arabs, war, caused by Arabs, were gay and fear being killed by Arabs. But yes I agree with you, that is a far cry from the genocidal ethnic cleansing that Israel faces, as you have noted.
Wow, that list is just chalk full of Arab atrocities. Thanx for sharing those facts and showing us how aggressive those Arabs were in ridding the world of Jews, while setting the tone for what was to come.
In a war where everyone picked up a weapon, be it a rifle or a pitch fork, how do you determine who was a combatant or a civilian? And that goes both ways btw.
Your point?
Again, your point?
So that makes it OK?
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You don't get chest thumping do you?
Talk about propaganda! Where do I start there?
Who claimed that?
Wow talk about a stretch. Who said Israel had the right to claim Jordan?
lol is right. Any affected party is able to speak at a military tribunal, or Courts Martial.
Again, any proof of this? From where I sit, it looks like you're just pulling it out of your ass again.
Quite, thanx. Way to lower it...:lol:
You hold them in high esteem and emulate them. Being one yourself and all.
You ignore fact, embrace fiction, you keep bringing up the bible to condemn those that killed Jesus? I don't know what makes you tick.
I don't wear black hats, I like camo, preferably RealTree APG HD.
That would be awesome if we were talking about the wall. Now if you wouldn't mind concentrating and focusing on the topic at hand, that would be great. I realise you have a serious comprehension issue, but do try and keep up.
You really should reread the whole of you link.
Again, reread what you linked.
And today, Palestinians in the region enjoy clean water and the removal of sewage because of it. Wow, those terrible Joos!!!
Probably until the appeal is heard. But even then I doubt we'll see any change. Sometime Israel is it's own worst enemy.
Make stuff all you like. It only shows you have no morality, no ethics and certainly no credibility. Being called a "sheeple" by someone that has been able to answer a single question I've asked them about other peoples material that you post ad nauseum. Really has no weight at all.
Fact is, you can manipulate that time line and ignore where those lines were drawn and when all you want. In the end you look like a tit. But an entertaining tit.
I doubt that, but the fact that you like the idea, makes you an asshole.
:lol:, the absurdity of that statement is beyond comparison.
Nope, you ignored what I was referring to.
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Actually it makes the 33 Nations that signed onto the Rothschild dream the assholes, at least the ones in them that think we don't owe the Arabs of the place at least as much as the Jews have been given. So far all Canada has donated is a cold shoulder and a deaf ear. The moral high ground you occupy is in your mind.
Here, read the story of Jewish "immigrants"
From Iraq:
The vanishing Jews of the Arab world / Baghdad native tells the story of being a Middle East refugee - SFGate
from Egypt
History of the Jews in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oh Heck, here it is all in one place!!!!
Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
Please notice the references to the Jewish refugees back as far as 1948....hardly a "recent phenomenon"
The truth is that for every Arab refugee, there was a Jewish one. For every Arab pushed off his land, with his assets stolen........there was a Jewish counterpart.
The Arab people have abused horribly the Arab refugees........while Israel and Jews worldwide worked to aid and integrate Jewish refugees.
Now the world expects Israel to take care of not only Arab refugees.....but all their descendents as well.
BS. Absolute, unmitigated BS.
If you want peace, and I don't for a split millisecond believe you do, then you must acknowledge the truth of the matter.....
There is no "right of return", unless Jews are compensated. One equals out the other.
And it is time for the Arab nations to step up to the plate and take care of their own people.
No conspiracy, UN 181 was signed by Canada and that was based the Balfour Declaration and that document was was a reply to a request by the Rothschild Bank. The same ones who began buying up property in Jerusalem some 20 years prior to that reply letter.
As for the graph, I'll have to take the numbers as being accurate. If they know there was 2 Jews in Australia for one set of data then the other dates/totals should be fairly close. The consequences of the birth-rate increase are not likely to be very widely discussed if it points to the numbers being artificially inflated. Judging by the moral standards of some I have met here that would only mean they are to be admired more, rather than stripped of the power they do have. Perhaps we should ask them to investigate themselves.
Moral in that it is in the 'letter of law' even when that Law is intentionally written in deceptive terms. Defending your homeland does not make you a terrorist.
That is the way we treated the local Arab population from Nov/47 - May/48, 400 Arab villages disappeared so the Jews would have a majority, political control through terrorizing the civilian population. Investigate the various 'deeds' from 1925 on and there should be a pattern where the promotion of a Jewsish only homeland was already in the works so there was a 'ruling party' by the time the 'poor and needy' were given the means to get there. The vast majority of those first ones started to feel quite at home while waiting on Crete. That by itself says the ones that the creation of Israel was to protect would feel quite comfortable as long as there was no unjust persecution. The Holy Land was not part of their choices in life and the ones making decisions never actually lived there, they just had 'orders' delivered.
The conflict was full of deception from the very start.
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Samih K. Farsoun, PhD, Professor of Sociology at American University, in his 1997 book Palestine and Palestinians, wrote the following:
"Palestinian discontent with the new British order [mandate] arose in April 1920 on the occasion of the Nabi Musa festival. A minor incident led to an assault by Palestinians on a procession of Jews. Although it was investigated by a British-appointed commission, the commission's recommendations were not published. Riots also occurred on May Day 1921 in a charged Palestinian and regional political climate: Arab discontentment with the results of the San Remo (Allied) conference, which awarded the eastern Arab mandates to Britain and France, led to political tension in Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon and a revolt in Iraq.
In Palestine mass Jewish immigration commenced in accordance with the British policy of establishing a Jewish national home. Palestinians perceived the arrival of 10,000 Jewish immigrants between December 1920 and April 1921 as a harbinger of the future. A riot that started in Jaffa between radical leftist and centrist Zionist groups quickly involved the Palestinians, who also attacked the immigration hostel, a symbolic target of their hostility. Forty-eight Palestinians and forty-seven Jews were killed and 219 people wounded. From Jaffa, Palestinian rioting spread to rural areas, fueled by wild rumors of Jews killing Arabs. Several Palestinians were killed by British soldiers in an effort to defend Jewish settlements."
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Samih K. Farsoun, PhD, Professor of Sociology at American University, in his 1997 book Palestine and Palestinians, wrote the following:
"Palestinian discontent with the new British order [mandate] arose in April 1920 on the occasion of the Nabi Musa festival. A minor incident led to an assault by Palestinians on a procession of Jews. Although it was investigated by a British-appointed commission, the commission's recommendations were not published. Riots also occurred on May Day 1921 in a charged Palestinian and regional political climate: Arab discontentment with the results of the San Remo (Allied) conference, which awarded the eastern Arab mandates to Britain and France, led to political tension in Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon and a revolt in Iraq.
In Palestine mass Jewish immigration commenced in accordance with the British policy of establishing a Jewish national home. Palestinians perceived the arrival of 10,000 Jewish immigrants between December 1920 and April 1921 as a harbinger of the future. A riot that started in Jaffa between radical leftist and centrist Zionist groups quickly involved the Palestinians, who also attacked the immigration hostel, a symbolic target of their hostility. Forty-eight Palestinians and forty-seven Jews were killed and 219 people wounded. From Jaffa, Palestinian rioting spread to rural areas, fueled by wild rumors of Jews killing Arabs. Several Palestinians were killed by British soldiers in an effort to defend Jewish settlements."
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Baruch Kimmerling, PhD, Professor of Sciology at Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and Joel S. Migdal, PhD, Professor of International Studies at the University of Washington, in their 2003 book The Palestinian People: A History, wrote the following:
"The gathering storm of nationalist and communal conflict between the Zionists and the Palestinian Arabs burst over religious rites and symbols. It did so, after a summer of almost incessant wrangling, in August, 1929, as a religious melee between Jews and Muslims. Muslims called for a holy war against the Jews and eventually against the British colonial power. With rallying cries of protecting the al-Aqsa Mosque, Muslims battled Jews, and then British troops, in a number of places in the country. The riots left nearly 250 Arabs and Jews dead and more than 500 wounded -- the worst episode of bloodletting until that time in Jewish-Arab relations.
The peak of these events occurred on Friday, August 23. Following rumors that the Jews were planning an attack on Haram al-Sharif, Arabs attacked Jewish quarters in Jerusalem, Safad, Tiberias, and Hebron, cities mainly populated by Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews. The locus of the horror was in Hebron, where 64 Jews -- men, women, and children -- were massacred, and the core of the old Jewish community of Hebron ceased to exist. The massacre of Hebron was a traumatic event in Arab-Jewish relations that exacerbated suspicions, mutual anxieties, and stereotypes."
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Baruch Kimmerling, PhD, Professor of Sociology at Hebrew University, and Joel S. Migdal, PhD, Professor of International Studies at the University of Washington, in their 2003 book The Palestinian People: A History, wrote:
"The great Arab revolt in Palestine, as Arabs have called it, was sparked by the murder of two Jews on April 15, 1936. Although there were some claims that the act was purely criminal, it was probably engineered for political purposes by a disciple of Sheikh Izz al-Din al-Qassam. In any event, Jewish retaliation followed swiftly, leaving two Arabs dead as well. Within a few days, beatings and additional murders inaugurated a period of horrifying violence in the country. In a short time, the violence was transformed into a major Arab upheaval.
As the first sustained violent uprising of the Palestinian national movement, and the first major episode of this sort since 1834, perhaps no event has been more momentous in Palestinian history than the Great Arab Revolt. It mobilized thousands of Arabs from every stratum of society, all over the country, heralding the emergence of a national movement in ways that isolated incidents and formal delegations simply could not accomplish. It also provoked unprecedented counter mobilization... The Zionists embarked upon a militarization of their own national movement -- nearly 15,000 Jews were under arms by the Revolt's end...
Early Arab-Jewish Conflict - Wars & Conflicts - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
From Iraq:
The vanishing Jews of the Arab world / Baghdad native tells the story of being a Middle East refugee - SFGate[/QUOTE]
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When the world of the 1930s and '40s was divided between the democratic Allies and the Fascist Axis, Arab nationalists in Iraq and Palestine chose to form an alliance with Nazi Germany. The father of Palestinian nationalism and the mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, began his close collaboration with Nazi Germany in the mid-1930s.
Didn't Germany receive the escaping 'secret police' of the Ottoman Empire? For the most part Britain was the 'boots on the ground' in that whole area. Those would not be the same ones who fought with Britain against those same ones. Britain ended up stabbing their 'friends' in the back. Germany developed their version of the 'secret police' (the terrorists in the above quote) and when America won the war they 'found careers' in America's newly formed 'secret police' that was for 'foreign affairs/wars'.
The rich always flee with their wealth. Considering the events of the 20 years prior to Oct/47 it is no wonder the 'wealthy/powerful' left. If the poor were being beaten/killed night raids the weathy and educated would have been killed on the spot. The place whose ears should have been open was the UN but given who had 'influence' it is the winners of WWII.
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While the Arabs' concerted opposition would not in the end bring about the demise of Zionism, they did appear, for the moment, to have the advantage. The result impelled the British to reverse their policy in support of a Jewish national home, first set out in the Balfour Declaration two decades earlier. The extensive Arab mobilization and the intensity of their activity demanded unprecedented British attention to the Palestinian position, and Palestinians somehow seemed to have developed the social and political cohesion necessary to make their point forcefully and unambiguously."
That was obviously undermined in their near future.
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"Even though Hitler lost the war, al-Husseini's call was heeded. In 1948, Iraq rounded up and imprisoned hundreds of Jews. Others were removed from their jobs in the civil service, business licenses of Jews were revoked, and quotas were placed on Jewish high school and college students. Later, discriminatory restrictions were imposed on Jewish travel abroad and the buying or selling of property. Thus, even if Jews wanted to escape Iraq, they could not do so legally, and they could not liquidate their assets. "
What portion of this was for your 850,000? The areticle says a 'few hundred'.
This doesn't say anything about forced deportations in 1948
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1948
After the foundation of Israel in 1948, difficulties multiplied for Egyptian Jews. That year, bombings of Jewish areas killed 70 Jews and wounded nearly 200, while riots claimed many more lives.[22]. During the Arab-Israeli war, the famous Cicurel department store near Cairo's Opera Square was firebombed. The government helped with funds to rebuild it, but it was again burnt down in 1952, and eventually passed into Egyptian control.
The Lavon Affair of 1954, in which an Israeli sabotage operation designed to discredit Gamal Abdel Nasser and perhaps also to derail secret negotiations with Egypt proposed by Moshe Sharett, blew up Western targets (without causing deaths), led to deeper distrust of Jews, from whose community key agents in the operation had been recruited. In his summing up statement Fu’ad al-Digwi, the prosecutor at their trial, repeated the official government stance:
Not everything was the fault of Muslims, and foreign affairs didn't help much, the majority does have the right to limit the power a minority in number has.
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By the 1940s, the situation worsened. Sporadic pogroms took place from 1942 onwards. As the Partition of Palestine and the founding of Israel drew closer, hostility strengthened, fed also by press attacks on all foreigners accompanying the rising ethnocentric nationalism of the age. In 1947, the Company Laws set quotas for employing Egyptian nationals in incorporated firms, requiring that 75% of salaried employees, and 90% of all workers be Egyptian. As Jews were denied citizenship as a rule, this constrained Jewish and foreign owned entrepreneurs to reduce recruitment for employment positions from their own ranks. The law also required that just over half of the paid-up capital of joint stock companies be Egyptian.
There are no references to how they reached that number 600,000 number.
Who said it was recent?
So you are admitting that 750,000 Palestinians were forced off their land, that would agree with this.
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The British did little to stop the fighting, but the scale of hostilities was limited by lack of arms and trained soldiers on both sides. Initially, the Palestinians had a clear advantage, and a Haganah intelligence report of March, 1948 indicated that the situation was critical, especially in the Jerusalem area. It is generally agreed that April 1948 marked a turning point in the fighting before the invasion by Arab armies, in favor of the initially outnumbered and outgunned Jewish forces. To break the siege of Jerusalem, the Haganah prematurely activated "Plan Dalet" - a plan prepared for general defense that was supposed to have been implemented when the British had left. It required use of regular armed forces and army tactics, fighting in the open, rather than as an underground. It also envisioned the "temporary" evacuation of Arab civilians from towns in certain strategic areas, such as the Jerusalem corridor. This provision has been cited as evidence that the Zionists planned for the exodus and expulsion of Arab civilians in advance.
The Haganah mounted its first full scale operation, Operation Nahshon, using 1,500 troops. It attacked the Arab villages of Qoloniyah and Qastel, occupied by Arab irregular forces after the villagers had fled, on the road to Jerusalem and temporarily broke the siege, allowing convoys of supplies to reach the city. Qastel fell on April 8, and the key Palestinian military commander, Abdel Khader Al-Husseini was killed there. Qoloniyeh fell on April 11. In the north, Fawzi El-Kaukji's "Salvation Army" was beaten back at the battle of Mishmar Haemeq on April 12, 1948. These successes helped convince US President Truman that the Jews would not be overrun by Arab forces, and he abandoned the trusteeship proposal that the US had put before the UN earlier. Following attacks by Arab irregulars, the Irgun attacked the Arab town of Jaffa, just south of Tel Aviv. Palestinians fled en masse despite the pleas of the British to remain.
Brief History of of Palestine, Israel and the Israeli Palestinian Conflict (Arab-Israeli conflict, Middle East Conflict)The Haganah mounted its first full scale operation, Operation Nahshon, using 1,500 troops. It attacked the Arab villages of Qoloniyah and Qastel, occupied by Arab irregular forces after the villagers had fled, on the road to Jerusalem and temporarily broke the siege, allowing convoys of supplies to reach the city. Qastel fell on April 8, and the key Palestinian military commander, Abdel Khader Al-Husseini was killed there. Qoloniyeh fell on April 11. In the north, Fawzi El-Kaukji's "Salvation Army" was beaten back at the battle of Mishmar Haemeq on April 12, 1948. These successes helped convince US President Truman that the Jews would not be overrun by Arab forces, and he abandoned the trusteeship proposal that the US had put before the UN earlier. Following attacks by Arab irregulars, the Irgun attacked the Arab town of Jaffa, just south of Tel Aviv. Palestinians fled en masse despite the pleas of the British to remain.
There should have never been any Arab refugees. Incentives to relocated to Israel is not accepted by all Jews, I suppose they are anti-semitic.
This is how the native Arab population was treated, spare me the white-washed version.
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Since the inception of Zionism, its leaders have been keen on creating a "Jewish State" based on a "Jewish majority" by mass immigration of Jews to Palestine, primarily European Jews fleeing from anti-Semitic Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany. When a "Jewish majority" was impossible to achieve, based on Jewish immigration and natural growth, Zionist leaders (such as Ben Gurion, Moshe Sharett, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and Chaim Weizmann) concluded that "population transfer" was the only solution to what they referred to as the "Arab Problem." Year after year, the plan to cleanse Palestine away from its indigenous people became known as the "transfer solution." David Ben-Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister, eloquently articulated the "transfer solution" as the following:
- In a joint meeting between the Jewish Agency Executive and Zionist Action Committee on June 12th, 1938:
"With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." (Righteous Victims p. 144).
- In a speech addressing the Central Committee of the Histadrut on December 30, 1947:
"In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment, will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority .... There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 176 & Benny Morris p. 28)
- And on February 8th, 1948, Ben-Gurion also stated to the Mapai Council:
"From your entry into Jerusalem, through Lifta, Romema [East Jerusalem Palestinian neighborhood]. . . there are no [Palestinian] Arabs. One hundred percent Jews. Since Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans, it has not been Jewish as it is now. In many [Palestinian] Arab neighborhoods in the west one sees not a single [Palestinian] Arab. I do not assume that this will change. . . . What had happened in Jerusalem. . . . is likely to happen in many parts of the country. . . in the six, eight, or ten months of the campaign there will certainly be great changes in the composition of the population in the country." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 180-181)
- In a speech addressing the Zionist Action Committee on April 6th, 1948:
"We will not be able to win the war if we do not, during the war, populate upper and lower, eastern and western Galilee, the Negev and Jerusalem area ..... I believe that war will also bring in its wake a great change in the distribution of Arab population." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 181)
- In speech to the Jewish Agency on June 12, 1948, Ben-Gurion stated:
"I am for compulsory transfer; I don't see anything immoral in it." For tactical reasons, he was against proposing it at the moment, but "we have to state the principle of compulsory transfer without insisting on its immediate implementation." (Simha Flapan, p. 103)
- Click here for more "Transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) quotes from Zionist leaders.
"After attacking Lydda [later called Lod] and then Ramla, .... What would they do with the 50,000 civilians living in the two cities ..... Not even Ben-Gurion could offer a solution .... and during the discussion at operation headquarters, he [Ben-Gurion] remained silent, as was his habit in such situations. Clearly, we could not leave [Lydda's] hostile and armed populace in our rear, where it could endangered the supply route [to the troops who were] advancing eastward.
Ben-Gurion would repeat the question: What is to be done with the population?, waving his hand in a gesture which said: Drive them out! [garesh otem in Hebrew]. 'Driving out' is a term with a harsh ring, .... Psychologically, this was on of the most difficult actions we undertook". (Soldier Of Peace, p. 140-141 & Benny Morris, p. 207) .
Later, Rabin underlined the cruelty of the operation as mirrored in the reaction of his soldiers. He stated during an interview (which is still censored in Israeli publications to this day) with David Shipler from the New York Times on October 22, 1979:Ben-Gurion would repeat the question: What is to be done with the population?, waving his hand in a gesture which said: Drive them out! [garesh otem in Hebrew]. 'Driving out' is a term with a harsh ring, .... Psychologically, this was on of the most difficult actions we undertook". (Soldier Of Peace, p. 140-141 & Benny Morris, p. 207) .
"Great Suffering was inflicted upon the men taking part in the eviction action. [They] included youth-movement graduates who had been inculcated with values such as international brotherhood and humaneness. The eviction action went beyond the concepts they were used to. There were some fellows who refused to take part. . . Prolonged propaganda activities were required after the action . . . to explain why we were obliged to undertake such a harsh and cruel action." (Simha Flapan, p. 101)
Just before the 1948 war, the residents of the twin cities, Lydda and al-Ramla, almostconstituted 20% of the total urban population in central Palestine, inclusive of Tel-Aviv. Currently, the former residents and their descendents number at least a half a million, who mostly live in deplorable refugee camps in and around Amman (Jordan) and Ramallah (the occupied West Bank). According to Rabin, the decision to ethnically cleanse the twin cities was an agonizing decision, however, his guilty conscious did not stop him from placing a similar order against three nearby villages ('Imwas, Yalu, and Bayt Nuba ) 19 years later. The exodus from Lydda and al- Ramlawas portrayed firsthand by Ismail Shammout, the renowned Palestinians artist from Lydda itself, click here to view his exodus gallery. To learn more about the ethnic cleansing of Lydda and al-Ramla based on declassified Israeli archives, we suggest clicking here as well .
In order to excuse themselves from any responsibility of war crimes, Zionists have concocted a myth that Palestinians were ordered by their leaders to abandon their homes. As it will be proven below, this version of events was conclusively proven wrong based on Israeli declassified documents. According to the Israeli historian Benny Morris:
- 'In general, during the first months of the war until April 1948 the Palestinian leadership struggled, if not very manfully, against the exodus: "The AHC [Arab Higher Committee] decided .... to adopt measures to weaken the exodus by imposing restrictions, penalties, threats, propaganda in the press [and] on the radio .... [The AHC] tried to obtain the help of neighboring countries in this context ..... [The AHC] especially tried to prevent the flight of army-age young males," according to IDF intelligence'. (Benny Morris, p. 60)
- 'Whatever the reasoning and attitude of the Arab states' leaders, I have found no contemporary evidence to show that either the leaders of the Arab states or the Mufti [Hajj Amin al-Husseini] ordered or directly encouraged the mass exodus during April [1948]. It may be worth noting that for decades the policy of the Palestinian Arab leaders had been to hold fast to the soil of Palestine and to resist the eviction and displacement of Arab communities'. (Benny Morris, p. 66)
- 'In Kafr Saba [early May 1948], the locals, under threat from Haganah attack, wanted to leave, but were ordered to stay by the ALA [Arab Liberation Army] garrison. According to Haganah sources, the ALA, with the population of Ramallah about to take flight, blocked all roads into the Triangle: "The Arab military leaders are trying to stem the flood of refugees and taking stern and ruthless measures against them." Arab radio broadcast, picked up by the Haganah, conveyed orders from the ALA to all Arabs who had left their homes to "return within three days. The commander of Ramallah assembled the mukhtars [official leaders] from the area" and demanded they strengthen morale in the their villages. The local ALA commanders turned back trucks which were coming to take families out of Ramallah. .... Haganah intelligence on May 6 reported that "Radio Jerusalem in its Arabic broadcast (14:00 hours, 5 May) and Damascus [Radio] (19:45 hours, 5 May) announced in the name of the Supreme Headquarters: 'Every Arab must defend his home and property .... Those who leave their places will be punished and their homes will be destroyed.'. The announcement was signed by [Fawzi al-]Qawukji.' (Benny Morris, p. 68-69)
Similarly, Simha Flapan (the Israeli writer and politician) stated according to declassified Israeli document and to the November 6th, 1948 edition of the Israeli newspaper Davar:
". . . after April 1948, the flight acquired massive dimensions. Abd al-Rahman Azzam Pasha, secretary general of the Arab League, and King Abdullah both issued public calls to the Arabs not to leave their homes. Fawzi al-Qawukji, commander of the Arab Liberation Army, was give instructions to stop the flight by force and to requisition transport for this purpose. The Arab government decided to allow entry only to women and children and to send back all men of military age (between eighteen and fifty). Mohammad Adib al-Umri, deputy director of Ramallah broadcasting station, appealed to the Arabs to stop the flight from Jenin, Tulkarm, and other towns in the Triangle that were bombed by the Israelis. On May 10, Radio Jerusalem broadcasted orders on its Arab program from Arab commanders and AHC to stop the mass flight from Jerusalem and the vicinity." (Simha Flapan, p. 86-87)
Click here to view the original letter sent by the Arab Higher Committee [AHC] on March 8, 1948 urging the Egyptian government to deny entry for the Palestinian refugees unless in emergency situations. - 'The various National Committees issued bans on flight. The Ramle National Committee set up pickets at the exits to the town to prevent Arabs departing. The inhabitants of the villages east of Majdal (Beit Daras, the Sawafirs, ..etc) were warned not to allow in with their belongings. On 15 May [1948], Faiz Idris, AHC's "inspector for public safety," issued ordered to militiamen to help the invading Arab armies and to fight against " the Fifth column and the rumor-mongers, who are causing the flight of the Arab population' (Benny Morris, p. 69)
- 'On 10-11 May [1948], the AHC [Arab Higher Committee] called on officials, doctors, and engineers who had left the country to return on 14-15 May, repeating the call, warned the the officials who did not return would lose their " moral right to hold these administrative jobs in the future." Arab governments began to bar entry to the refugee -as happened, for example, on the Lebanese border in the middle of May'. (Benny Morris, p. 69)
- 'The fall of Safad and the flight of its inhabitants shocked the [Palestinian] Arab villagers of the Hula Valley, to the north. [Yegal] Allon launched a psychological warfare campaign ("If you don't flee immediately, you will all be slaughtered, your daughters will be raped," are the like), and almost all the villagers fled to Lebanon and Syria.' (Righteous Victims, p. 213)
- According to a Jewish Agency's Arab section report from January 3, 1948, at the beginning of the flight:
"The Arab exodus from Palestine continues, mainly to the countries of the West. Of late, the Arab Higher Executive has succeeded in imposing close scrutiny on those leaving for Arab countries in the Middle East." Prior to the declaration of the "Jewish state," the Arab League's political committee, meeting in Sofar, Lebanon, recommended that the Arab states " the doors to . . . women and children and old people if events in Palestine make it necessary." (Simha Flapan, p. 85)
Farther proof of ethnic cleansing (as if more evidence is needed) comes from Glubb Pasha, the British officer of the Jordanian army during the 1948 war, was on the spot at the time and therefore was in a position to know what is going on. He said:
"The story which Jewish publicity at first persuaded the world to accept , that the [Palestinian] Arab refugees left voluntarily, is not true. Voluntary emigrants do not leave their homes with only the clothes they stand in. People who decided to leave house do not do so in such a hurry that they lose other members of their family -- husband losing sight of his wife, or parents of their children. The fact is that the majority left in panic flight, to escape massacre. They were in fact helped on their way by the occasional massacres--not of very many at a time, but just enough to keep them running." (Bitter Harvest, p. 95)
As Moshe Sharett was ending his career in the mid-1950s, he came to the conclusion that Israel cannot be ruled without deceit as if it's essential for the Jewish state's survival. He wrote just before resigning:
"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism. These are historical facts that cannot be altered. . . In the end, history will justify both the stratagems and deceit and the acts of adventurism. All I know is that I, Moshe Sharett, am not capable of them, and I am therefore unsuited to lead this country" (Simha Flapan, p. 52-53). In other word, what Moshe Sharett is saying that the "Jewish state" is incapable of surviving without lying to its citizens and the rest of the world; in fact it has been national security for the "Jewish state" to do so. This form of carefully crafted deception and lies is known in Israel by its Hebrew name: The art of Hasbarah.
No they can pass the bill off to other Nations, just like the last 60 years.
No it doesn't.
The charts show the Jewish influx was well under way by the time 1946 rolled around.
Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
They didn't arrange things so they would be thrown off their land.