The worst enemy of Palestinian refugees are their Arab brothers:
Cohn: Not all apartheid is created equal - thestar.com
Cohn: Not all apartheid is created equal - thestar.com
Do you have proof of any wrong doing?It's in the investigation stage. Seems that some 600 complaints have been lodged with the IDF for the way 15 and under have been treated, so far 0 convictions.
And what about that is supposed to back up your bias Joo hating?Not that their courts back up their own decisions anyway.
Follow-up to Goldstone Report/ Israel's panel to investigate Gaza aid flotilla - Daily Press Briefing by Assoc. Spokesperson for the SecGen - Transcript (Excerpts) (14 June 2010)
The worst enemy of Palestinian refugees are their Arab brothers:
Cohn: Not all apartheid is created equal - thestar.com
“the Arab world is rife with hypocrisy when it comes to the Palestinian issue.” ... “They are second-class citizens here.”
More than anything, these posts in response to Israeli actions against those in the IDF who may have broken the law, shows your bias, your prejudice, your unwillingness to be fair, and your Jew-hatred.
How many militants is Hamas trying for war crimes???
Here's a hint: NONE!
Instead, they declare them heroes, and hang posters of them in schools, so the kiddies will hopefully dream of emulating them.
Please spare me the unmitigated BS about how you condemn Hamas crimes as well.
Please.
Got any proof of this conspiracy?Its no coincidence that Israel offered a few war criminal scalps the same day Obama and Netanyahu were mugging for the cameras in Washington. The Netanyahu administration is trying to appease the Obama administration. About $5-10 billion US in annual American (government/private) economic and military aid to Israel is at stake.
LMAO!!! Now?I would agree that the ball is now in Hamas's court.
The worst enemy of Palestinian refugees are their Arab brothers:
Cohn: Not all apartheid is created equal - thestar.com
Excuse me? Care to prove that?As per international law, Palestinian refugees are Israel's responsibility.
I would otherwise agree 100%, but some of these people, if not most, abandoned their homes under the urging and warning by Arab nations that amassed to attack and destroy Israel.As refugees, they have a legal right to return to their original homes after the fighting ends, which was about 60 years ago. In fact, that was one of the conditions imposed on Israel for UN recognition. At the time Israel agreed to these conditions, but once they got UN recognition, they broke their word. Until Israel finally keeps its word and meets the original conditions for UN recognition, their membership in the UN should be revoked, they should face punitive sanctions and Israel should have to pick up the tab for the burden they imposed on Lebanon and other countries. If this had happened 60 years ago, we probably wouldn't have a Palestinian refugee problem today.
Hmmm, I guess protesting their treatment by the Lebonese Gov't, isn't proof that they don't like how they're being treated eh?To prove that Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have it as bad as the ones living under Israeli occupation, you'll have to prove the Lebanese government blocks food, medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching Palestinian refugees, give examples of the Lebanese soldiers abducting innocent civilians including children to use as human shields, shooting innocent civilians while holding a white flag of truce or other crimes and crimes against humanity which Israeli soldiers have committed against Palestinians.
As per international law, Palestinian refugees are Israel's responsibility. As refugees, they have a legal right to return to their original homes after the fighting ends, which was about 60 years ago. In fact, that was one of the conditions imposed on Israel for UN recognition. At the time Israel agreed to these conditions, but once they got UN recognition, they broke their word. Until Israel finally keeps its word and meets the original conditions for UN recognition, their membership in the UN should be revoked, they should face punitive sanctions and Israel should have to pick up the tab for the burden they imposed on Lebanon and other countries. If this had happened 60 years ago, we probably wouldn't have a Palestinian refugee problem today.
To prove that Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have it as bad as the ones living under Israeli occupation, you'll have to prove the Lebanese government blocks food, medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching Palestinian refugees, give examples of the Lebanese soldiers abducting innocent civilians including children to use as human shields, shooting innocent civilians while holding a white flag of truce or other crimes and crimes against humanity which Israeli soldiers have committed against Palestinians.
Israel has never been interested in a two state solution. What they want is what they have today. A single state with a series of large concentration camps, where they can relocate their undesirables and beat them into submission. Unfortunately for Israel, the reality is that the more harshly you treat people, the more you take away from them, they less they have to loose by violently resisting oppression and injustice.
Here is where your argument falls down.......what about the 800,000 Jews evicted or driven from Arab countries with nothing??? Once again, your reply (I know what it will be) reveals your other face.....
The reality is that Israel has taken on the responsibility for those driven out of Arab lands.......a fair exchange for Arabs taking care of those who fled what is now Israel.......except the Arabs have NEVER stepped up to help their Palestinian brothers......
There are already two states: Israel is the Jewish state, Jordan is the Palestinian state..........the creation of a third is fine, except the Palestinians keep blowing it, whether it be Arafat declaring the Second Intifada to cover up his colossal thefts, or the election of the fanatic Jew killers in Hamas, or the misuse of Gaza as a launching pad for terrorist attack after Israel's unilateral withdrawal.......
Oh, BTW, the life expectancy at birth in Lebanon is 73.66 years.
Life expectancy at birth in Gaza is 73.42 years......statistically identical.
The world life expectancy is 66.12 years.........
want to tell me again about the horrible persecution and genocide of Gazans?
I need a laugh.
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BTW, as long as we're at it..........life expectancy at birth in Egypt is 72.12 years.....a year less than in Gaza........
Tell me one more time about Israeli genocide of Gazans.....I'm not quite convinced.
Also... at the time of WOJAC's formation, Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu declared: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations."
Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists."
In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee."
The opposition was so vociferous that Ora Schweitzer, chair of WOJAC's political department, asked the organization's secretariat to end its campaign. She reported that members of Strasburg's Jewish community were so offended that they threatened to boycott organization meetings should the topic of "Sephardi Jews as refugees" ever come up again. Such remonstration precisely predicted the failure of the current organization, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries to inspire enthusiasm for its efforts....
Hitching a ride on the magic carpet
Those are Military Tribunals, the kids aren't even allowed to testify. lol
The Arabs in the 3 areas had their rights stated in UN181 and Israel signed on to support that agreement with the signing of UN273. Do you have something to show anybody, anywhere else was given such rights?Here is where your argument falls down.......what about the 800,000 Jews evicted or driven from Arab countries with nothing??? Once again, your reply (I know what it will be) reveals your other face.....
BTW, as long as we're at it..........life expectancy at birth in Egypt is 72.12 years.....a year less than in Gaza........
Tell me one more time about Israeli genocide of Gazans.....I'm not quite convinced.
You're right. Some were fleeing poverty caused by Arabs, war, caused by Arabs, were gay and fear being killed by Arabs. But yes I agree with you, that is a far cry from the genocidal ethnic cleansing that Israel faces, as you have noted.Besides the fact that one atrocity does not justify another, most of the people who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries were not forced out at gunpoint, or fleeing an ethnic cleansing war.
Wow, that list is just chalk full of Arab atrocities. Thanx for sharing those facts and showing us how aggressive those Arabs were in ridding the world of Jews, while setting the tone for what was to come.
In a war where everyone picked up a weapon, be it a rifle or a pitch fork, how do you determine who was a combatant or a civilian? And that goes both ways btw.
Your point?People voluntary give up their citizenship from one country and take citizenship from another all the time. They are "immigrants", not "refugees".
Again, your point?Many of Arab Jews immigrated to Israel for the same reason why many Jews also immigrated to Israel from Canada, the US, Europe. South America, Asia, Australia, India at the same time... They were looking for a better life and Israel offered land, and other incentives while their host countries offered mostly oppression and injustice, not strictly because they were Jews, but also because these countries were ruled by cruel and corrupt dictators. Arab Jews like other Jews immigrating from the rest of the world applied for Israeli citizenship and if they were Jewish enough, they got it.
So that makes it OK?I have no doubt that many non-Jewish Arabs blamed their Jewish Arab neighbors for the Zionist ethnic cleansing, and many Arab Jews faced increased oppression and persecution from their Muslim neighbors. But in general most Arab Jews were treated no worse than other non-Muslim Arabs like Christian Arabs.
:lol:Most Arab Jews do not claim they are refugees. In fact this common Israeli propaganda talking point is a relatively recently phenomenon. At the time, most Arab countries tried to prevent their Jewish population from leaving. Jewish emigration was a huge brain drain and many Arab countries suffered as a result of loosing Engineers, Doctors, Accountants, Business leaders... At the time, Israel was offering attractive immigration incentives/subsidies, and crying "Let our people go!"
You don't get chest thumping do you?But don't take my word for it. Read for yourself an Jewish Arab viewpoint:
Talk about propaganda! Where do I start there?
Who claimed that?To claim every Jewish person who moved to Israel from Arab countries is a refugee is complete nonsense.
Wow talk about a stretch. Who said Israel had the right to claim Jordan?Regarding the division of land into Israel and Jordan as being a fair... precisely 0 Jews immigrated to Israel from Jordan. Your statement implies that Jews are entitled to land where no Jews lived. Did God promise them that land too? Please prove me wrong by finding an example of a significant Jordanian Jewish population. Jordanian Jews are about as common as Antarctic Jews. How much of Antarctica can Israel claim?
lol is right. Any affected party is able to speak at a military tribunal, or Courts Martial.Those are Military Tribunals, the kids aren't even allowed to testify. lol
Again, any proof of this? From where I sit, it looks like you're just pulling it out of your ass again.If a score of 600-0 doesn't clue you in follow any Nation that has the Military investigate the Military. The rate would be the same no matter what Nation did the 'crimes' and the investigation.
Quite, thanx. Way to lower it...:lol:Way to raise the stupid bar again.
You hold them in high esteem and emulate them. Being one yourself and all.Nothing hateful about it, you already know first hand how I feel about liars.
You ignore fact, embrace fiction, you keep bringing up the bible to condemn those that killed Jesus? I don't know what makes you tick.Being God's people in the OT doesn't bind them to being truthful. In fact that claim puts a glimmer in their eye and a quiver in their voice. With out God there to back them up they are just another smoke and mirror show. I'm critical of the US in it's dealings with Iran in 1953, that is another example of a liar, can't call it anti-semite, and really, if you point out to the Jews that they are making a mistake with the current policy, if they are looking for long-term peace then how is that being a 'hater'?
I don't wear black hats, I like camo, preferably RealTree APG HD.As it is, land grab and removal (deportation) of Arabs is an ongoing policy. Sugar coat it any way you want, if it was wrong in WWII, it is wrong after WWII. IF we had any original intention of backing our words up , the question it is long gone now, apparently not, making us the liars and that comes with the proverbial black-hat. You might be quite comfortable with it but I'm not.
That would be awesome if we were talking about the wall. Now if you wouldn't mind concentrating and focusing on the topic at hand, that would be great. I realise you have a serious comprehension issue, but do try and keep up.(in part)
7. In summarizing its finding that the wall violates international humanitarian law and international human rights law, the Court has the following to say:
You really should reread the whole of you link.The Court supports this conclusion with extensive quotations of the relevant legal provisions and with evidence that relates to the suffering the wall has caused along some parts of its route. But in reaching this conclusion, the Court fails to address any facts or evidence specifically rebutting Israel’s claim of military exigencies or requirements of national security. It is true that in dealing with this subject the Court asserts that it draws on the factual summaries provided by the United Nations Secretary-General as well as some other United Nations reports. It is equally true, however, that the Court barely addresses the summaries of Israel’s position on this subject that are attached to the Secretary-General’s report and which contradict or cast doubt on the material the Court claims to rely on. Instead, all we have from the Court is a description of the harm the wall is causing and a discussion of various provisions of international humanitarian law and human rights instruments followed by the conclusion that this law has been violated. Lacking is an examination of the facts that might show why the alleged defences of military exigencies, national security or public order are not applicable to the wall as a whole or to the individual segments of its route. The Court says that it “is not convinced” but it fails to demonstrate why it is not convinced, and that is why these conclusions are not convincing.
Israel High Court decision regarding the security fence -Sept 15, 2005 - Complete Text Source Document - Zionism and Israel Information Center
Again, reread what you linked.The fence was there late last year and I doubt it has moved.
And today, Palestinians in the region enjoy clean water and the removal of sewage because of it. Wow, those terrible Joos!!!(in part)
In May 2009, Palestinian residents of Ein Yabroud, with help from human rights group Yesh Din, had petitioned the High Court of Justice against the construction of a waste purification facility built illegally on their land.
The state argued during the hearing that retroactive approval of the plant is the only solution to 's sewage problem, and that Palestinian residents of nearby villages would also benefit as they would in the future also be connected to the facility.
Probably until the appeal is heard. But even then I doubt we'll see any change. Sometime Israel is it's own worst enemy.How long should they be given to comply before it is a hollow victory?
Make stuff all you like. It only shows you have no morality, no ethics and certainly no credibility. Being called a "sheeple" by someone that has been able to answer a single question I've asked them about other peoples material that you post ad nauseum. Really has no weight at all.Mock Arabs and Muslims as much as you like, it only shows you have no moral fiber, a good little sheeple to the Nth degree.
Fact is, you can manipulate that time line and ignore where those lines were drawn and when all you want. In the end you look like a tit. But an entertaining tit.Fact is it was no different for them to come to the 'aid' in May of 1948 than it was for Canada to jump when GB declared war on Germany.
I doubt that, but the fact that you like the idea, makes you an asshole.Not that we turned the tied but giving them out back was never an option. Why shouldn't the 11 Countries turn their back and let the 33 Nations (really about 10 ruled over the other 23) handle the whole affair. If they don't like the way it was handled they can boycott the Nations. Eceonomic sanctions would cripple the West. Most Muslims countries could handle a few more years of abject poverty. North America and most of Europe would fall before the end of the first winter.
:lol:, the absurdity of that statement is beyond comparison.It isn't like the Arabs or Muslims have any choice in turning their backs on them, even allowing the to remain as refugees is enough to bring some sort of sanctions on the host country. Being the bully on the block only works so long.
Nope, you ignored what I was referring to.As usual your guess is wrong.
Actually it makes the 33 Nations that signed onto the Rothschild dream the assholes, at least the ones in them that think we don't owe the Arabs of the place at least as much as the Jews have been given. So far all Canada has donated is a cold shoulder and a deaf ear. The moral high ground you occupy is in your mind.I doubt that, but the fact that you like the idea, makes you an asshole.
Still stuck on that conspiracy theory eh? Have you figured out how to explain your graph yet?Actually it makes the 33 Nations that signed onto the Rothschild dream the assholes, at least the ones in them that think we don't owe the Arabs of the place at least as much as the Jews have been given.
That's what terrorists deserve.So far all Canada has donated is a cold shoulder and a deaf ear.
I don't think I occupy the moral high ground. So apparently everything you think is true, is only so, in your mind, lol.The moral high ground you occupy is in your mind.
Besides the fact that one atrocity does not justify another, most of the people who immigrated to Israel from Arab countries were not forced out at gunpoint, or fleeing an ethnic cleansing war.
People voluntary give up their citizenship from one country and take citizenship from another all the time. They are "immigrants", not "refugees".
Truer words could not be spoken!!!If you want peace, and I don't for a split millisecond believe you do, then you must acknowledge the truth of the matter.....
No conspiracy, UN 181 was signed by Canada and that was based the Balfour Declaration and that document was was a reply to a request by the Rothschild Bank. The same ones who began buying up property in Jerusalem some 20 years prior to that reply letter.Still stuck on that conspiracy theory eh? Have you figured out how to explain your graph yet?
Moral in that it is in the 'letter of law' even when that Law is intentionally written in deceptive terms. Defending your homeland does not make you a terrorist.That's what terrorists deserve.
I don't think I occupy the moral high ground. So apparently everything you think is true, is only so, in your mind, lol.
What numbers?N
As for the graph, I'll have to take the numbers as being accurate.
There's the justification, yet again.Moral in that it is in the 'letter of law' even when that Law is intentionally written in deceptive terms. Defending your homeland does not make you a terrorist.
The conflict was full of deception from the very start.Here, read the story of Jewish "immigrants"
This doesn't say anything about forced deportations in 1948
Oh Heck, here it is all in one place!!!!
Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
Who said it was recent?Please notice the references to the Jewish refugees back as far as 1948....hardly a "recent phenomenon"
So you are admitting that 750,000 Palestinians were forced off their land, that would agree with this.The truth is that for every Arab refugee, there was a Jewish one. For every Arab pushed off his land, with his assets stolen........there was a Jewish counterpart.
There should have never been any Arab refugees. Incentives to relocated to Israel is not accepted by all Jews, I suppose they are anti-semitic.The Arab people have abused horribly the Arab refugees........while Israel and Jews worldwide worked to aid and integrate Jewish refugees.
No they can pass the bill off to other Nations, just like the last 60 years.Now the world expects Israel to take care of not only Arab refugees.....but all their descendents as well.
No it doesn't.There is no "right of return", unless Jews are compensated. One equals out the other.
They didn't arrange things so they would be thrown off their land.And it is time for the Arab nations to step up to the plate and take care of their own people.