Here's a fact for you. You have just admitted to the Israeli propaganda machine.
Here's one for you, I never said there wasn't one.
Who's got the biggest most well oiled and perhaps the most long lived such construction the world has ever seen? And what is the likelyhood that the tiny Palestinian construct can compete on anything approaching an even footing?
In PR? They are every bit as strong as Israel, if not stronger. Greta Berlin, one of the organizers of the Flotilla, has a higher education in PR, literally.
You have been stuffed by the best spin machine that ever existed and this is certainly verified by your repeated insistence that you have given fair ear to both sides in equal measure, something patently impossible from the beginning.
Of course I must be getting "stuffed" by someone, if I think I have been looking at both sides fairly. This coming from someone that sees a boogiejoo, behind every corner of the globe, not only makes me laugh, it makes me actually laugh out loud.
Your posts are refuted around the entire world on an hourly basis by irrefutable facts, you don't have a legal or moral foot to stand on.
You keep saying that, but have never offered a shred of actual fact. Odd that is.
You have tied your little boat to the zionist monolith and you deserve to sink with it.
Ahhh yes, I defend what needs to be defended, condemn what needs to be condemned, therefore I am a Zionist and must die along side them.
Yes they were aid ships weren't they, and anyone who says differently is mistaken at the very best or invested heavily at the very worst.
Greta Berlin, Flotilla organizer...
"The only illegal presence in the area is Israel... This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege..." (May 27, AFP)
Now, you can either join us in reality, or keep exposing yourself as ideologue, who will, despite overwhelming evidence, desperately splash around the shallow end in a panic.
We all have been taught that two wrongs do not ever make a right but in this thread we read repeatedly that it does or it might, when all of human history dictates that it won't.
So why do you believe that two wrongs will make a right then?
When we read that we should be asking ourselves, what purpose is there to attempt to hide todays injustice behind ancient historical crimes and what purpose is there to insist like a child that everyone else has done the same as Israel as if that would be an excuse for their crimes when it clearly is not.
That's not what I have said. But I know for a fact that is exactly what you think I have said here, and is exactly what you want to believe I have said here. For the simple fact you are not capable of compromise. There is but one solution for you, as you have expressed on more then one occasion. A solution that is not only abhorrent, but repulsive and as ignorant as anything you have railed against Israel for.
In this thread we are considering the actions against a humanitarian effort trying to relieve civilians in tire need of ordinary means of sustinance ended by gross overt violence by Israel and nothing else.
Yet, not only does Palestine Today, a Palestinian news agency. But Greta Berlin, a Flotilla organizer, state something completely different.
Why is fact from the very people involved so easy for you to dismiss?
We know injustice has been done to Jews variously throughout much of known history, that is not a point of disagreement here and the context of those injustices can be discussed in some other thread or this one if the forum is agreeable.
Actually, the only person that keeps bringing up Jewish history and biblical BS, is mhz.
Even if that were to occur it could not possibly exonerate Israels present actions, unless it were to be granted special or chosen status by some independent unseen potentate, which it has plainly not got.
So who gave special and chosen status to all the Arabs DB? You seem to have exhonerated them of any wrong doing, full stop.
Then they would argue that numbers lie. Historically I cannot think of one nation that has not showed the Jews hospitality and taken them in at times of need.
Then by all means, please post these "times", that Jews were taken in. And by whom.
Certainly many have had second thoughts and expelled them, those expulsions are well researched and documented in many cases with remarkable similarities that may or may not be coincidental.
A little revisionist history eh, lol.
Again another thread may be required to discuss this aspect of Jewish history if there is an interest.
The only interest you've ever had was in genocide, when I have posted no less then two threads involving the history of Jews and Israel.
Personnaly, being sick to death of the subject along with most of the planet, why bother, the story is old and it has never gotten better with telling, and neither has it changed, except in volumn, for thousands of years.
Because those who ignore history, are bound to repeat it. That aptly applies to people who willfully rewrite it as well.
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When we read that we should be asking ourselves, what purpose is there to attempt to hide todays injustice behind ancient historical crimes and what purpose is there to insist like a child that everyone else has done the same as <insert a people's name here besides Israelis> as if that would be an excuse for their crimes when it clearly is not....except for the nitpicking amongst the posters against each other. We know injustice has been done to non-Jews and Israelis variously throughout much of known history, that is not a point of disagreement here and the context of those injustices can be discussed in some other thread or this one if the forum is agreeable. Even if that were to occur it could not possibly exonerate non-Israelis present actions, unless it were to be granted special or chosen status by some independent unseen potentate, which it has plainly not got.
Well said...
Not really, I'm well aware of the bulk of that, which is why I have written such pieces as
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/50170-hunt-oil-manifest-destiny-new.html . I know it's hard to believe, but you, me, DB, have many common aspects of thought. The difference is, I dwell in reality and go on what is fact and actually provable by said facts, without using emotion or ideology as a filter.
That is terrible and like all politicians, they should be ashamed, as well as her.
Jeezez MHz, You couldn't just post a sentence describing what you were going to post a link to and then the link and then explain how it has anything to do with Israel's attack on the aid ships?
Of course not. Because she knows she's lost the debate on the legality of the blockade. She knows her platform is falling apart around her, so she has one avenue left to take, flood posts of off topic material to deviate the conversation.
Like anyone is going to bother reading through all that.:roll:
I did.
Saudi Arabia is going to help Israel attack aid ships by air now? How does this tie in with the aid ship attack?
Didn't you know? It's all part of the Rothschild clan's conspiracy to take over the world...
Here is a video intro clip from an up coming series on the History Channel, wherein the producers have followed one such Rothschild operative and his assistant around with camera's....
YouTube - Pinky and The Brain Intro
You can tell they're Zionist Joos, just by looking at them. The large sloping brow of the Brain, almost ape like. Pinky of course has that tell tale Heeb nose. Not to mention they're sniveling rats, doing evil deeds to take over the world, under the cover of darkness. Just like the young are tought in the Palestinian schools. That's how you know they're evil Jews.
That is a bit of history of Israel's best friend, that is what you asked for.
Not its isn't. That is exactly what she was talking about. The deception of "they did worse". Which is something you have been doing for as long as you've posted here.
Go ahead force yourself to read the list, afraid they might not the knight in shining armor they say they are.
The US and US foreign policy is not my knight in shining armour, as I can easily prove, and yet, I still find misguided and misleading examples of bad acts in your list. If you care to start a serious debate on those lists, feel free to do so, and I'll show you where your errors are there.
You should be delighted to go through every event on the list and explain to us (lesser informed) just how all those people were the scum of the earth and deserved what they go and they were damned lucky any were left alive.
Stop trying to deviate the topic. Start a thread and I'll educate the lesser informed there.
Already read it, here's another one for your.
Russia Reverses on S-300 Missile Sale to Iran -- News from Antiwar.com
Tell me both of things didn't involve a lot of secret back-door meetings.
Or maybe they got a clue when they actually read the laws. Something you should be well acquainted with now.
Iran was keen to buy the missiles, the backbone of Russia’s air defense, as a hedge against the oft-threatened Israeli attack against them. Israel repeatedly dispatched officials to Russia regarding the possible delivery, on differing occasions pleading with Russia or threatening them over the possible delivery.
But I bet you believe this part of that article is pure fact, even though it's pure conjecture.
An act that is deceptive from the start, that is how the free world does it's real business, we hardly have the right to demonize anybody.
And yet you do, constantly, without hesitation, without knowing the facts, without knowing history, without understanding the whole picture, without a clue.
Sure you did, I even quoted you in the 1st half of the list exposing most of America's crimes against other Nations.
Yes you quoted her, but you missed the point and did exactly what she was talking about. Excusing one travesty, by claiming someone else did worse, lol.
X millions killed and whole nations put into turmoil and your biggest concern is it's off topic? ROFLMFAO
Twist and spin much?
Blah.... I think there should be a blockade placed around the whole Muddled East so Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Israel and any terror freedom control wannabes we can vacuum into the mix have to either sort out their differences and learn to get along or blast themselves to oblivion.
Although I somewhat agree. I truly believe that would lead to a far greater death toll. With far more innocent life lost, then the belligerents.
Turkey is a total blast to travel to. Some of the friendliest people on the planet they'll be part of the EU long before going haywire like Pakistan or Syria.
God I hope so.
Did you see a one-sided assumption there? It's an either/or situation ... unless you happen to be selective reading.
That's their idea of balanced and objective LW. Read it how you want it to be and ignore anything that doesn't support their ideology. But I highly suspect you already knew that.
