Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[MHz]

In the spirit of peace, I'll give you a heads up and few minutes to edit the grammatical and incoherent nature of that post before quoting it.

I hope the move can replace Israeli ports for most goods, some items, non perishable thing like steel and cement that go for projects that Hamas can submit a request for supplies that get monitored so the material actually ends up where it is supposed to. Egypt would be more for mall types of things. Since the UN staff would have already been aware of the request they could draw up the list of needed supplies and set up a time-line for delivery (on time and in usable condition).

My spell chacker quit working (probably from over-use) what needs correcting in that post?

A follow up with no link. The US has said sanctions against North Korea would not work (for this latest attack I think) because they are too belligerent . The sanctions wouldn't bother them so there is no use in applying any. If you call me on it I should be able to find it, all i read was the headline.

Catfish

You seem to be using that word a lot these days, are you involved in a Israeli Moosehead Operation called 'catfish'?

 

[Colpy]

Testimony by yet another witness aboard the Mavi Marmara. This time a former US marine, that Israel claims was going to Gaza to train terrorists.

YouTube - Gaza activist denies 'terrorist' tag

This guy is a liar.

Did you notice how quickly he healed from the terrible condition he was in, just 5 or 6 days ago....

OMG! Is that a TEARDROP tattoo???? LMAO

And, btw, as a US citizen he does may have the right to meet with whomever he chooses....but Hamas is a terrorist organization, and an enemy of the United States, and offering them any kind of military aid or money is a violation of US law.........

Considering other activists have said the Israelis were attacked....

 

[darkbeaver]

There really isn't much of anything, with any real substance in that post. Let alone anything worth refuting.

With paint ball guns, until the Israeli's were forced to use deadly force. Again, reality is biting you in the ass.


White flags mean nothing when you attack lawful boarding parties.

Anyways, the Catfish are calling, have fun, do try and play nice. And above all, try and use some reason and logic when you post. Then I won't have to embarrass you, yet again, when I come back, lol.

So the Palestinians were attacking the Israelis under a white flag while they were surrendering at the same time. You are an unreasonable judge of reason and an illogical adherent of logic. I urge you to read 1984 and discover the true CDNBear.

 

[MHz]

randomly shooting into the crowd.

That's what happens in situations like this. You posted a link to an article that says the Turkish Military is shaking there heads because they waited so long before killing somebody. If you agree with that then Israel cannot be condemned for their actions in that respect. They would have seen the weapons (bats) so they should have requested the Captain gather those things from his crew and put them is storage or toss them overboard before the military came aboard.

 

[Colpy]

Looks like someone aboard the Mavi Marmara successfully smuggled their pictures of the Israeli commando raid and its starting to tell another part of the story, that Israel has successfully suppressed until now.

Pictures of Activists aboard the Mavi Marmara protecting and giving aid to disarmed Israeli commandos:

Did Mavi Marmara passengers aid injured Israelis? - News

No one who has heard the story doubts there were two factions of anti-Israelis aboard........one sensible, exactly like the people aboard the other 5 ships boarded without violence.

But there was also a faction of violent Muslim extremists seeking martyrdom......which 9 of them achieved, with the kind help of the IDF.

You think it was a coincidence all the dead are Muslim Turks????????

 

[Goober]

Last week she (Helen) said Jews “must go back home to live in Germany and Poland”.

If it meant peace in the mid-east region, t`would be a great idea!!

Another Jew hater - you and her would get along fine -

Of course this will be laid at the feet of a Jewish Conspiracy - A Jewish Cabal shall we say - The people that believe that Israel and Jews control the US, the world banking system, the IMF, responsible for every evil from Aids to 911 to why they are constipated. I do think the constipation could have clouded their opinions and ability to see clearly.

Perhaps that is why their though process is so full of shxt at times.

I will contact the Cabal directly and ask them to send these persons free Ex lax and other medicines such as colonic's and that may create movement in thought.

Why I will even volunteer to perform the colonic's. A personal sacrifice on my part for Peace in our Time.
That does ring familiar - Peace in our time.
Wonder what came of that deal?
Does anyone remember?????


Veteran journalist retires after Israel remarks - The Globe and Mail

Veteran White House journalist Helen Thomas, who has covered every U.S. president since John F. Kennedy, abruptly retired on Monday amid a storm of criticism over her controversial remarks about Israel.

The departure of Ms. Thomas, 89, as a Hearst Newspapers columnist was announced after she was captured on video saying Israelis should “get the hell out of Palestine” and suggesting they go “home” to Germany, Poland or the United States.

The comments drew widespread condemnation, including from the White House.

 

[selin]

Moses is beating,
Mohammed is crying
Christ is watching.


That is all...

 

[Goober]

Moses is beating,
Mohammed is crying
Christ is watching.


That is all...

God is watching
And the Devil sees future soul business.

 

[captain morgan]

So the Palestinians were attacking the Israelis under a white flag while they were surrendering at the same time. You are an unreasonable judge of reason and an illogical adherent of logic. I urge you to read 1984 and discover the true CDNBear.

... Or... The peace-loving, humanitarian aid supporters waved the white flag in order to surprise the Israelis with the weapons that they didn't have on board.

 

[earth_as_one]

No one who has heard the story doubts there were two factions of anti-Israelis aboard........one sensible, exactly like the people aboard the other 5 ships boarded without violence.

But there was also a faction of violent Muslim extremists seeking martyrdom......which 9 of them achieved, with the kind help of the IDF.

You think it was a coincidence all the dead are Muslim Turks????????

I doubt the true story has come out yet. Israel has a well known history of deception and cannot be considered a trustworthy, objective source of information.

Regarding this story, Israel was caught fabricating radio transmissions it claims originated from the Mavi Maramara:
Clarification/Correction Regarding Audio Transmission Between Israeli Navy and Flotilla on 31 May 2010, Posted on 5 June 2010 Israel Defense Force Spokesperson

They've since pulled that video off the internet.

Which calls into question all images and audio released by the IDF.

This reporter who witnessed the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara claims the IDF starting using lethal force before they boarded the ship:
YouTube - Interview with Al Jazeera's Jamal ElShayyal: One of the passengers on the Mavi Marmara

If true, that means these people were defending themselves which is consistent with most of the weapons Israel claims were used by activists (mostly kitchen knives and stuff which can be quickly rummaged out of the garbage). People preparing for an attack should have been better armed than that.

Autopsies on some dead activists indicate they were shot several times in the back of the head at close range, consistent with an execution after they were subdued, not self defense as they attacked Israeli commandos:
Execution Style | Tikun Olam-???? ????: Make the World a Better Place

When you shoot someone who is attacking you, the bullets normally don't hit them from behind.

If Israeli commandos were on a murderous rampage, who can blame people for defending themselves with weapons of opportunity.

I'm not saying I'm buying all of this, since the activists also have motivation to lie and deceive just like the Israelis. But enough evidence exists to say with confidence that the Israeli version of events is provably incomplete and in some cases deliberately fabricated.

Which is why this incident should be thoroughly investigated by an independent body. Israelis, Turks, activists and other groups involved should have the same right to present and question evidence. If that doesn't happen, Israel can basically kiss their relationship with Turkey goodbye:

Turkey demands Israel raid probe - Europe - Al Jazeera English

 

[Goober]

I doubt the true story has come out yet. Israel has a well known history of deception and cannot be considered a trustworthy, objective source of information.

Regarding this story, Israel was caught fabricating radio transmissions it claims originated from the Mavi Maramara:
Clarification/Correction Regarding Audio Transmission Between Israeli Navy and Flotilla on 31 May 2010, Posted on 5 June 2010 Israel Defense Force Spokesperson

They've since pulled that video off the internet.

Which calls into question all images and audio released by the IDF.

This reporter who witnessed the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara claims the IDF starting using lethal force before they boarded the ship:
YouTube - Interview with Al Jazeera's Jamal ElShayyal: One of the passengers on the Mavi Marmara

If true, that means these people were defending themselves.

Autopsies on some dead activists indicate they were shot several times in the back of the head at close range, consistent with an execution after they were subdued, not self defense as they attacked Israeli commandos:
Execution Style | Tikun Olam-???? ????: Make the World a Better Place

When you shoot someone who is attacking you, the bullets normally don't hit them from behind.

I'm not saying I'm buying all of this, since the activists also have motivation to lie and deceive just like the Israelis. But the evidence in contradictory enough, that the Israeli version of events is provably incomplete and in some cases deliberately fabricated.

Which is why this incident should be thoroughly investigated by an independent body. Israelis, Turks, activists and other groups involved should have the same right to present and question evidence. If that doesn't happen, Israel can basically kiss their relationship with Turkey goodbye:

Turkey demands Israel raid probe - Europe - Al Jazeera English

So who is more trustworthy in your opinion - Hamas - Hezbollah - Israel - Iran - ??????????????????

 

[AnnaG]

I doubt the true story has come out yet. Israel has a well known history of deception and cannot be considered a trustworthy, objective source of information.

.... and on the other hand, all the other countries in the ME are trustworthy, objective, and reliable.
IMO, the people in the ME, regardless of nationality, religion, ethnicity are deceived, duped, misled, victimised by their governments.

Kind of like Canada and other countries' peoples.

 

[earth_as_one]

So who is more trustworthy in your opinion - Hamas - Hezbollah - Israel - Iran - ??????????????????

I trust none of the above. Which is why an inquiry controlled by any of these groups would be useless. I am aware that I have posted previously that I believe Hamas pretty good about keeping their word and respecting their agreements, unlike Israel or any of the other Palestinian militant groups. At the same time, Hamas is biased and has an extreme viewpoint of the world based on their zealous interpretation of the Qu'ran. I suspect they don't break their word because they piously believe God would punish them. Certainly their leaders can't be bribed, unlike Fatah who have demonstrated a willingness to sell out fellow Palestinians for personal gain, which is why Hamas beat them in the last election.

Let's have an independent inquiry by objective third parties. That's what Turkey wants and if Israel has nothing to hide, they should have no objections.

.... and on the other hand, all the other countries in the ME are trustworthy, objective, and reliable.
IMO, the people in the ME, regardless of nationality, religion, ethnicity are deceived, duped, misled, victimised by their governments.

Kind of like Canada and other countries' peoples.

I wouldn't and didn't say that "all the other countries in the ME are trustworthy, objective, and reliable." In general I agree with your opinion about the people of the middle east. Most have just as distorted by propaganda viewpoint as Americans, with the exception being Israelis. Most Israelis are well informed, but a substantial number are extreme racists with the moral equivalence of Afracaaners during the height of Apartheid. I am agnostic and I see no proof that God gave this land to Jews or other similar hogwash some of them spout to justify their cruel and inhumane treatment of the people who lived on the land before it was overrun by hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees fleeing the horrors of Nazi Europe.

On the other hand some of the best sources of information and the strongest condemnation of Israel's apartheid system come from inside Israel.

For example I consider this Israeli source a reliable source of objective information:
B'Tselem - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories



I don't believe the average Canadian is well informed about this conflict and in general most Canadians have a strong pro-Israeli bias resulting from Western Media bias in favor of Israel and against the Palestinians.

For example:

They were handed a sovereign nation.
YouTube - What Really Happened In The Middle East

What a load of crap!

I am well read on this conflict and I consider all sources. I admit I have a soft spot for the oppressed and a strong desire for justice.

 

[Colpy]

Well, the "useful idiots" have now served their purpose. The martyrs have sacrificed themselves all to good purpose.......... The world is up in arms about Israel's perfectly legitimate attempt to defend itself........and the lunatic Islamists of Iran are encouraged.

Iran has now stated baldly that it will escort aid ships to Gaza to break the Israeli blockade, which is intended to stop arms shipments......from Iran.

Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy | World news | The Guardian

This will not have a good outcome.

Israel must immediately make it extremely clear that its blockade will be enforced, and any attempt to run it will be considered an act of war, and all ships involved will be engaged with every military asset available.

In other words, such a move, if pushed, will mean war.

Thank you, idiots of the left.

While you're at it, read about Turkey's descent into lunacy.......

Contempt for Israel also contempt for U.S. | turkey, world, erdogan - Opinion - The Orange County Register

This could very well be extremely UNpretty.

The two most powerful Islamic militaries in the world lining up against tiny Israel.

Can you say "nuclear weapons"????

 

[ironsides]

Israel, Turkey, Gaza in covert sea war. Hamas frogmen thwarted


DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism, Security

 

[earth_as_one]

Well, the "useful idiots" have now served their purpose. The martyrs have sacrificed themselves all to good purpose.......... The world is up in arms about Israel's perfectly legitimate attempt to defend itself........and the lunatic Islamists of Iran are encouraged.

Iran has now stated baldly that it will escort aid ships to Gaza to break the Israeli blockade, which is intended to stop arms shipments......from Iran.

Gaza blockade: Iran offers escort to next aid convoy | World news | The Guardian

This will not have a good outcome.

Israel must immediately make it extremely clear that its blockade will be enforced, and any attempt to run it will be considered an act of war, and all ships involved will be engaged with every military asset available.

In other words, such a move, if pushed, will mean war.

Thank you, idiots of the left.

I am against any form of violence. But I would support non-violent means to break this blockade. Israel can't simultaneously stop thousands of boats loaded with humanitarian aid from dozens of countries. If it was well organized, of sufficient scale and non-violent, I'm tempted to fly to Turkey and join them.

 

[Colpy]

I am against any form of violence. But I would support non-violent means to break this blockade. Israel can't simultaneously stop thousands of boats loaded with humanitarian aid from dozens of countries. If it was well organized, of sufficient scale and non-violent, I'm tempted to fly to Turkey and join them.

And wind up on the bottom of the Mediteranean Sea. Israel has every right to sink ships running its legal blockade. And would.....the only other choice being to allow the shelling of its population to increase, with the use of ever more deadly and advanced rockets from Iran.

You want war??? Push the Israelis HARD. You'll get it.

They are NOT lining up quietly for the exterminators any more.

Never again. Hear it. Take it seriously.

After a moment to Rethink....actually, the rational, sensible response would be to re-occupy Gaza. Send the army in force, destroy Hamas..... No place to deliver aid to.

 

[AnnaG]

Well, the "useful idiots" have now served their purpose. The martyrs have sacrificed themselves all to good purpose.......... The world is up in arms about Israel's perfectly legitimate attempt to defend itself........and the lunatic Islamists of Iran are encouraged.

Israel needs to defend itself with commandos, missile boats, helos, etc. against a handful of people armed with a few knives and clubs in a convoy of aid ships? roflmao
Here, let my swat that gnat with my 12 lb sledge hammer.

 

[Colpy]

Israel needs to defend itself with commandos, missile boats, helos, etc. against a handful of people armed with a few knives and clubs in a convoy of aid ships? roflmao
Here, let my swat that gnat with my 12 lb sledge hammer.

The problem, quite seriously, is that the Israelis did not expect to be attacked by loonies, and sent their guys on armed with paintball guns.............handguns carried only for defense.

They didn't use enough force..........I doubt the attack on the boarding party would have happened in a cloud of CS gas, and into the muzzles of MP5s and shotguns.

Israel expected protesters.....they did not expect Islamists.

 

[Goober]

Israel needs to defend itself with commandos, missile boats, helos, etc. against a handful of people armed with a few knives and clubs in a convoy of aid ships? roflmao
Here, let my swat that gnat with my 12 lb sledge hammer.

Anna G

Well they boarded using as weapons Paint Ball Guns and the result was soldiers having their weapons taken from them.

Guess they needed back up is clear.