Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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It can be done ... but they'd have to hug.
There is something bizarre in that statement.

Instead they mock the IDF for being so reluctant to use lethal force for so long even when attacked.

I hope they broadcast this warning loud and clear to any ship they will be boarding in the future..

"Instead they mock the IDF for being so reluctant to use lethal force for so long even when attacked."

I wonder if anybody will CSI all the video so each and every person can have his own camera track for the event.
 
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Last week she (Helen) said Jews “must go back home to live in Germany and Poland”.
:cool:
If it meant peace in the mid-east region, t`would be a great idea!!

Yeah right....

Round Two!

Warm up the ovens!

I have two, I'll get your back if you have mine.:canada:

I'm there!

how can you each shoot each other in the back?

:) lol :)

It can be done ... but they'd have to hug.

There will be none of that!!!! :)
 

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Last week she (Helen) said Jews “must go back home to live in Germany and Poland”.
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If it meant peace in the mid-east region, t`would be a great idea!!
The alternative back then was all of Madagascar. Chum up the waters good and no terrorist could swim over to do them harm. Put their bean-counters down there with them also, but keep the money for the Christians bankers and then it has to be run at cost so that means a $10,000 car ends up costing the buyer $10,000 by the time that amount is paid off in full.

Since their God is the God of the OT the time they come back to Israel is in the hour after Christ comes back to see how the Gentiles have been doing since He left them in charge. Good news for some, not so good for others as they come in as 2nd place in a two horse race. They live to race again once things are made nice and tidy. The beginning of the cleanup starts, that is when they would be gathered and brought home.
Even giving them that place, or any, other, is not going to help them when Satan is on the rampage. Other than a remnant of 144,000 he will kill every one with his sword. That is the final payment God requires they pay for the killing of the He sent to them. Neb's Babylon was the beginning of their punishment and Satan's Babylon will be when they are regathered to the whole land of Israel, not just Jerusalem and it required a lot of dead people being around doing things with their hands, like cleaning up what must be one terrible mess. A river of blood that is measured in miles and all the rest of the events that happen on that 1st day. Takes up the first 7 years of the covenant that comes into effect only at that time. 2/3 of the Gentiles go to the grave, same place that was just emptied of anybody that ever belonged to the 12 Tribes.

Today's events are by human deeds and they need a human solution. God cannot come and do things before the time of the prophecy is right. If all the refugees from all the camps outside Gaza and West Bank (locals rather than anybody who has been displaced.) might alter the current Government structure (after all they are already yelling at each other over just somebody taking a boat ride).
 
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Most Jewish Israelis were born in Israel. That makes Israel their home. The window of opportunity to award Bavaria to Jews victims of European injustice and oppression was back in 1946. I do not support solving one injustice by committing another injustice.
 
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Now the other side of the story is starting to come out.... I doubt the above eye witness account will be reported in mainstream Canadian or American news.
 

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Most Jewish Israelis were born in Israel. That makes Israel their home. The window of opportunity to award Bavaria to Jews was back in 1946. I do not support solving one injustice by committing another injustice.
So why did the Palestinians of the '40's have to leave what was their home? The refugees when shipped to Jordan were given the right to vote. The Palestinians that are in exile should also have citizenship and be able to vote even while out of the country. Same as the US has people who serve both countries. They claim that works out just fine so expanding it should not cause a problem. The return of that many people would take years to complete but 10 should be plenty. The reality being the Government would be a mixture hopefully, elected for platform beliefs rather than religious beliefs.

Is that a little more 'civilized'?
 

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I'm not saying that what happened to the Palestinian people during al Nakba was right. On the contrary it was a great injustice. But displacing millions of Jewish Israelis and forcing them out of their homes like the Palestinians would also be an injustice.
 
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If someone was born in Israel, then Israel is their home. These people have as much right to live in this area as Palestinian refugees and their descendants. Turning Jewish Israelis into landless and nationless refugees like the Palestinians would be an injustice and create new problems.
First things first, perhaps Turkey can open the door for some investigation that also have bite behind them. I see the move is already on to discredit Turkey's 'value' to NATO. Should have thought of that sooner. Have to wait to see what that investigation of the murder of the Turkish Sailors turns up to see if she even needs to call on NATO, getting permission and supplies might be all that she needs to 'settle up' with the bandits.

Don't get your shirt in a knot about expelling anybody anywhere. It has to be an option, that doesn't make it the best choice or the only choice. The next election should have a few million more Arab/Israeli voters. It should also stand to reason that Gaza and the West Bank would also have a certain number of Jewish/Palestinians based on stats from about 1920 and even a few years earlier than that if being totally fair was the objective. That number would also have increased in number over the generations. Good incentive for both sides to hold back on 'random events' that end in a bang. Never know when you will be killing a good friend or a relative.you still like.
 

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lol huh?

If the Arabs accepted the plan they would have been handed a sovereign nation simultaneously with the Jews. They chose war instead.

How's that working out for them?

Anyway that's another thread.
They were handed a sovereign nation.
YouTube - What Really Happened In The Middle East

Colpy wants you to believe that Canadians would have attacked an unarmed relief vessel full of humanitarian aid in international waters. He equates our anti-piracy actions in the gulf directly with the dispicable Israeli attack. He is in essence saying that they are us and that we are them. Canadians are not Zionist Israeli criminals.
Israelis didn't attack the vessel, they boarded it. Had they attacked it it would have been sunk forthwith.

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Faith is their whole claim to the land.

No it isn't. That's the land of their origin. They've always been there, they just haven't always had a nation.

And you wonder why Israel is losing the PR battle, people, like you. Tomorrow those same people might be protesting something Hamas did. You want cheers from the crowd go to a hockey game and stay far away from politics.
Those same people? Protest something Hamas did? :lol: Not in this world.

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Israel has already twice intercepted ships laden with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would allow that?


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(3) Passive defense: Without forward or active defense, Israel is left with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade to simply prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now moving toward having it abolished.

But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?

Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the blockade-busting flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the Turkish front organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third World chorus at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've had quite enough of the Jewish problem.


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The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million -- that number again -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to national suicide. For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and constrained from defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists -- Iranian in particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.

washingtonpost.com
 
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ooh ya let's just blindly follow our government

I'd rather follow our government and our brave troops who are fighting a war against terrorists and paying the ultimate price instead of one who sympathizes with terrorists. The fact that any Canadian would even consider lending a hand to an area governed by terrorists would be considered as treason.

There is no gray are here, it is as clear as night and day. We Canadians are engaged in a war against terror. Hamas has been categorized by our Canadian government as a terrorist organization. That makes them our enemy.
 
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On the same line of thought would you eat anything on the banned list?
No, batteries aren't an appetizing menu item.
Could you and your family live on the allowed tonnages?
Since aid is coming in from both Israel and Egypt, the tonnage of food is greater then you think. And yes, I could easily live on that amount anyways. When we hunt or fish away from home for more then a day, I pack extremely light and have in fact lived solely off the land on many occasions. Consuming far less then the percentage YJ corrected for you.

Dear Mr. Aptly Named,

Please show me how the blockade is illegal. The simple fact is you can not, because the blockade of hostile entities is perfectly legal under international law, as is the boarding of merchant vessels at sea..........and the use of force if resistence is met. The Canadian Navy has been boarding neutral vessels in international waters for close to 20 years.....and we DON'T go on armed with paintball guns. (H&K MP5s in 9mm is what we use)

This is exactly why the UN must NEVER have an enforcement arm.......because the world policeman must be neutral, and apply the law evenly, something the UN finds impossible with Israel.

Thank you so much for your attention.

I Remain, Your Humble Servant
Colpy
That's funny shyte right there dude.

I didn't mean uninspected. Put some Blue Helmets in there How about Turkish Forces?
There's a reason Israel doesn't like the UN eh.
If they can't trust a fell UN member and a Security member to boot, who can you trust eh?
That's the point exactly.

Hamas (the UN recognized elected Government of Gaza, not the terrorist entity).
They're the same thing.

What are you afraid of?
Useless idiots like you.

"Instead they mock the IDF for being so reluctant to use lethal force for so long even when attacked."
Interesting isn't?

I do not support solving one injustice by committing another injustice.
Yes you do. If you would like the reasons and proof of this, let me know.

He never said that in that video.

Spin spin spin....

Now the other side of the story is starting to come out.... I doubt the above eye witness account will be reported in mainstream Canadian or American news.
Of course it won't. It isn't news, he doesn't say what Stretch and the website he gleaned it from says he did.

This will be summarily dismissed as propaganda. Of course there will be no proof offered in the dismissal, just simply dismissed without any manner of proof or accurate documentation.
Israelis didn't attack the vessel, they boarded it. Had they attacked it it would have been sunk forthwith.
How true.
That's worth a read, but I doubt any of the local useful idiots will a, read it, b, understand it if they do.

I wonder when the cries of war crimes and crimes against humanity will be aired over this...

Gaza: UN official voices deep concern as Hamas raids offices of aid groups

Gaza: UN official voices deep concern as Hamas raids offices of aid groups


3 June 2010 – A senior United Nations official in the Middle East today expressed deep concern at reports that Hamas has broken into the offices of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in the Gaza Strip this week, confiscated materials and equipment, and forced the offices to shut down. Robert Serry, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, said in a statement issued in Jerusalem that reports indicated Hamas had broken into NGO offices in both Gaza City and Rafah.
Of course the UN is only "concerned". I mean it was only Hamas that committed this actual crime. If it were Israel that had done it, we would have already been inundated with reports fitting the severity of it of course...
 
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If a video only shows hostile Palestinians wearing masks with dynamite strapped on and only shows Jewish victims while playing scary music with dramatic sound effects, then yes its one sided propaganda.
 

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If a video only shows hostile Palestinians wearing masks with dynamite strapped on and only shows Jewish victims while playing scary music with dramatic sound effects, then yes its one sided propaganda.
But when you post the reverse, it's the truth...ya I hear ya eao. Your double standards are the stuff of legends.