Do the Somali pirates offer to inspect or provide escort to a neighbouring port?
Ohhh, that's right, the Somalis capture the vessel and occupants for ransom.
Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Do the Somali pirates offer to inspect or provide escort to a neighbouring port?
Ohhh, that's right, the Somalis capture the vessel and occupants for ransom.
Israel has been punishing Gaza for electing Hamas by allowing in at most a quarter of the aid it requires to sustain its population since its blockade began. Desperate people, persecuted people, resort to desperate measures.
Israel gets away with this for one reason. It receives $3 billion a year in the world's most advanced military aid from the U.S.. And it receives that for one reason, it fits into American Evangelical interpretations of End Time prophesies, a group which forms a powerful and cohesive political force in America.
Israel, however, does not fit with the Israel of the Bible. That was always been represented as a Messianic and prophetic eschatology (in other words a Church), not a homeland and political structure for Jews, which has always been referred to as Zion in the Old Testament.
If the U.S. made its military aid contingent on allowing a sovereign Palestinian homeland, including ceding the West Bank totally to Palestinian control, it would likely be able to live in relative peace. But now, with all that power, it's intent on being the big bully on the block. But bullies get knocked over, sooner or later.
Israel gets away with this for one reason. It receives $3 billion a year in the world's most advanced military aid from the U.S.. And it receives that for one reason, it fits into American Evangelical interpretations of End Time prophesies, a group which forms a powerful and cohesive political force in America.
Israel, however, does not fit with the Israel of the Bible. That was always been represented as a Messianic and prophetic eschatology (in other words a Church), not a homeland and political structure for Jews, which has always been referred to as Zion in the Old Testament.
If the U.S. made its military aid contingent on allowing a sovereign Palestinian homeland, including ceding the West Bank totally to Palestinian control, it would likely be able to live in relative peace. But now, with all that power, it's intent on being the big bully on the block. But bullies get knocked over, sooner or later.
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Aye Aye Cap'n Bligh. International waters are international waters where pirates are pirates. It doesn't matter what sort of fan club they have.
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"One may also describe the Turks on board the “freedom flotilla” (Orwell himself could not have suggested a better logo) as “humanitarian activists.” But they are still pro-terrorist Turkish jihadists whose mission was to kill Jews, one way or the other."
Turkish Jihadists Attack Israel | FrontPage Magazine
Sooooo, I use the same analogy yet again.....
Heavily armed Canadian military personel were boarding ships on the high seas in the Gulf to search for weapons and terrorists. Had they been met with resistence, they would have killed......were they behaving as pirates?????
To his credit, Clutch has been the only one that dared tackle the question, albeit not very well.
He says (in essence) it is OK for Canadians, but not for Israelis, because Canadians are us and nice, Israelis are not.
Well, we're not being attacked on a daily basis.
Canadians are acting in a sanctioned action against pirates. When did it become illegal to give and transport aid?
I give our Canadian Forces more credit than that.
I doubt we would have gone on a rampage had they resisted with broomsticks.
Nonetheless, the [civilised] global response to this incident has been largely appropriate; even Canada condemned the use of this type of violence on the part of the Republic of Israel. It’s too bad we can’t find some way to force Israel and the Palestinian Authority to just sit down, shut up, and let a mediator handle the entirety of their diplomatic relationship.
I am not speaking about anti-piracy activity in the Gulf of Aden.........I am talking about the ship inspections we did in the Persian Gulf a few years ago............our job was to board legitimate commercial vessels on the high seas and inspect them for shipments of weapons and/or terrorists.........we approached them with naval vessels, forced them to stop, and boarded them with specially-trained and heavily armed squads of naval personel.......
EXACTLY what the Israelis were doing.
It is, of course, not illegal to give and transport aid, and that aid would have gotten to Gaza.....AFTER it was inspected for weapons or military materials.......
It is not illegal to transport oil or whatever other merchandise was on the ships the Canadians boarded either.....and they were allowed to proceed...AFTER they were inspected......
Unless I am mistaken, there is no state of declared war on the Mediterranean Sea. Israel would have been justified had this convoy been in their territorial waters. Hell, we couldn't do any better than intimidate Spanish trawlers in Canadian waters.
Killing 9 when under attack by idiots with lengths of pipe, and AFTER sustaining casualties is NOT a rampage.
Even under the Canadian Criminal Code you can use lethal force if you or another person are in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm.
When I taught armed defense, we taught (in compliance with the code) that a person that was THREATENING you with a knife or blunt trauma device could legally be engaged with gunfire if they were within 6 meters.
I know a couple of the Canadians that were boarding ships, and believe me, if anyone had attacked them with a length of pipe, they would have been immediately blessed with a large number of additional orifices in their bodies. And rightfully so.
Israel is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.
This is ludicrous.
...and as soon as anyone can get a handle on WHO is the problem, a solution may be close at hand. I think they both are too bloody stubborn and proud to reach and keep any compromise.
Wolfie, at least you're trying!!!:smile:
There has been no state of declared war on the face of the earth since 1945.
All the boarding was done in international waters.
No difference between Israeli commandos stopping and inspecting........or the Canadian navy.
Killing 9 when under attack by idiots with lengths of pipe, and AFTER sustaining casualties is NOT a rampage.
Even under the Canadian Criminal Code you can use lethal force if you or another person are in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm.
When I taught armed defense, we taught (in compliance with the code) that a person that was THREATENING you with a knife or blunt trauma device could legally be engaged with gunfire if they were within 6 meters.
I know a couple of the Canadians that were boarding ships, and believe me, if anyone had attacked them with a length of pipe, they would have been immediately blessed with a large number of additional orifices in their bodies. And rightfully so.
Israel is held to a MUCH higher standard than anyone else.
This is ludicrous.
They are also forgiven to easily by the usual suspects as well.
No balance at all.:roll:
Jew haters and Muslim haters are just the same and so very predictable as seen in this thread and any other about the midle east.
It's gotten really boring.
"One may also describe the Turks on board the “freedom flotilla” (Orwell himself could not have suggested a better logo) as “humanitarian activists.” But they are still pro-terrorist Turkish jihadists whose mission was to kill Jews, one way or the other."
Turkish Jihadists Attack Israel | FrontPage Magazine
Those aids were by Turkey not any extremists.
Turkey and Israel have commercial and military relationship,it would be bad for Israel and Turkey's interests. you just cannot understand why Israel behaved like this because it seems very foolish of them but Israel also cannot stand the humanitarian aids for Palestine though that is inferior of them, they don't care, because they got used to kill.
but the fact is that Israel and Turkey are being drived into a war purposely,
i hope that crisis should be solved.
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Oh Colp.... We all know Izzy can do no wrong and anyone who doubts it is an anti-Semite. Regardless, Canadian action in the Gulf of Aden was an internationally sanctioned response to active piracy on the high seas. Israel acted unilaterally on its own distrust of everything not covered by a Star of David. They deserve the spanking ... and a damned good shrink.
That was part of the job of the UN, every time they tried to implement something the US vetoed the resolution.
You can bet the Rothschild group are making money over this and all conflicts, they are the only ones with a vested interest in armed conflict.
"One may also describe the Turks on board the “freedom flotilla” (Orwell himself could not have suggested a better logo) as “humanitarian activists.” But they are still pro-terrorist Turkish jihadists whose mission was to kill Jews, one way or the other."
Turkish Jihadists Attack Israel | FrontPage Magazine
Are those Ninja throwing stars or CD's? I assume the rusty pliers were there to promote blood poisoning after breaking the flesh in some fashion.
Who were the Agressors.?.What was on the boat ?..Who had the biggest weapons?..Where did it take place?....All the rest is useless Propaganda...Should be ignored as nothing more..