Islam Sucks.................

[In Between Man]

You can't comprehend anything, you're like a retarded person.
I'm not justifying anything because I'm not even saying Muhammad raped any child, because he likely didn't.

You do realize that the Quran itself claims he did right? What evidence can you provide that he didn't?

Muslim scholar admits Muhammad was a Pedophile:
YouTube - ‪Muslim Scholar Admits Muhammad Was A Pedophile.‬‏

But you can see with a little bit of studying what was going on in those times and clearly pedophilia wasn't nearly as reviled as it is nowadays.
So your critique about him doing something that was actually acceptable in those days is terribly flawed.

You claim your not justifying anything but in the same post you claim it was ACTUALLY ACCEPTABLE "in those days"!

Who cares if people back then thought it was acceptable - is it? No, of course not!

So far all I have seen in this thread amounts to: "we are more civilized than they are so our methods of killing people over there makes us superior to them because their methods of killing people are uncivilized". Have I got that correct?

It's a lot more layered than that. Islam is a not a peaceful religion as it claims. Out of all the faces of untruth, it is most violent religion/political-movement/cult that exists on Earth today! Why argue whether or not we're more civilized? That argument is a no brainer when we clearly see parts of the world doing uncivilized things that we're not.

Burying women up to their necks, after a beating, and then stoning them to death.

Executing homosexuals, even teens.

Denying girls an education.

Amputating body parts as a form of punishment.

"Honour" killings.

Not to mention also denying freedom of speech and religion in places where Islam rules. That means no criticizing Islam, or talk about atheism, or the gospel. And the biggest piece of evidence of all? The fact that where ever radical Muslims come in contact with other humans, they violently kill, rape, and destroy anyone in their path. Islam is a disease, a death ideology, spreading through this Earth.

YouTube - ‪Islamic Violence Worldwide {TruthTube.Tv}‬‏

Your way of thinking is simple, you're not a very bright person. "These are muslim countries, therefore all Muslims clearly tolerate the actions of these countries"

Well the moderate Muslims certainly are quiet! You don't hear them condemning the radicals!

 

[DaSleeper]

The game muslims play........:lol:

The Muslim Game:

Most Muslims live peacefully, without harming others, so how can Islam be a violent religion? If Islam were the religion of terrorists, then why aren’t most Muslims terrorists?

The Truth:

The same question can easily be turned around. If Islam is a religion of peace, then why is it the only one that consistently produces religiously-motivated terrorist attacks each and every day of the year? Why are thousands of people willing and able to cut off an innocent person’s head or fly a plane into a building while screaming praises to Allah? Where’s the outrage among other Muslims when this happens… and why do they get more worked up over cartoons and hijabs?

Rather than trying to answer a question with a question, however, let's just say that the reason why most Muslims don't kill is that (regardless of what Islam may or may not teach) it's wrong to kill over religion.

Consider that many Muslims would not even think of amputating a thief's hand. Does this mean that it is against Islam to do so? Of course not! In fact, this mandate is clearly found in one of the last verses in the Qur'an (5:38) and in the example of Muhammad according to the Hadith (Bukhari 81:792).

Muslims may believe whatever they want to about what Islam says or doesn't say, but it doesn't change what Islam says about itself. As an ideology, it exists independently of anyone's opinion. As such, it may be studied objectively and apart from how anyone else practices or chooses to interprets it.

The Qur'an plainly teaches that it is not just proper to kill in the name of Allah in certain circumstances, but that it is actually a requirement. Muslims who don't believe in killing over religion may be that way out of ignorance or because they are more loyal to the moral law written in their hearts than they are to the details of Muhammad’s religion. Those who put Islam first or know Islam best know otherwise.

In fact, few Muslims have ever read the Qur'an to any extent, much less pursued an honest investigation of the actual words and deeds of Muhammad, which were more in line with hedonism, deception, power and violence than with moral restraint. The harsh rules that Muslim countries impose on free speech to protect Islam from critique also prevent it from being fully understood. In the West, many Muslims, devout or otherwise, simply prefer to believe that Islam is aligned with the Judeo-Christian principles of peace and tolerance, even if it means filtering evidence to the contrary.

It is no coincidence, however, that the purists of the faith – those most prone to abandoning themselves to Islam without moral preconception – are always the more dangerous and supremacist-minded. They may be called ‘extremists’ or ‘fundamentalists,’ but, at the end of the day, they are also the more literal and dedicated to the Qur’an and following the path of Jihad as mandated by Muhammad.

 

[Cliffy]

I have no doubt as to the dangerous nature of some Muslims who partake in terrorism. I think it is a very dangerous religion to the west. What most detractors fail to mention is that to countries like Iraq and Afghanistan, we are the terrorists. Yes, Islam has some very barbaric customs and laws that we find contrary to our world view, but is it justification for the wholesale slaughter of innocent people by the west? It has been shown time and time again that the hatred of the west by Muslim countries has more to do with our interference and murder of their people than any dictates of their religion. As the old saying goes, if we make their lives worthless by devaluing their humanity, then they have nothing to fear from dying. We have spawned their terrorist activities by our interference in their lives, their politics and for supporting so many brutal regimes. Can anybody justify these numbers because 3000 Americans died or to "get" two men, Saddam and bin Laden?

# Casualties in Afghanistan:

Afghan troops killed [1] 8,587


Afghan troops seriously injured [2]
25,761

Afghan civilians killed [3] 8,813


Afghan civilians seriously injured [4]
15,863

U.S. troops killed [5] 1,140


U.S. troops seriously injured [6]
3,420

Other coalition troops killed [7] 772


Other coalition troops seriously injured [8]
2,316

Contractors killed [9] 298


Contractors seriously injured [10]
2,428

Journalists killed [11] 19


Journalists seriously injured [12]
unknown

Total killed in Afghanistan 19,629


Total injured in Afghanistan
48,644

# Casualties in Iraq:

Iraqi troops killed [13] 30,000


Iraqi troops seriously injured [14]
90,000

Iraqi civilians killed [15] 864,531


Iraqi civilians seriously injured [16]
1,556,156

U.S. troops killed [17] 4,414


U.S. troops seriously injured [18]
31,882

Other coalition troops killed [19] 318


Other coalition troops seriously injured [20]
2,296

Contractors killed [21] 933


Contractors seriously injured [22]
10,569

Journalists killed [23] 142


Journalists seriously injured [24]
unknown

Total killed in Iraq 900,338


Total injured in Iraq
1,690,903

 

[Colpy]

Your way of thinking is simple, you're not a very bright person. "These are muslim countries, therefore all Muslims clearly tolerate the actions of these countries"

Now CuBert, I realize that you are an idiot.

However, you should be capable of understanding the simplest concepts....

For example "much", as in "much of the Islamic world.....does NOT mean "all" as in "all Muslims clearly tolerate the actions of these countries"

You have this slightly disconcerting habit of claiming that I said something that I clearly did not say.....and then attacking the position that you attributed to me, despite the fact I never took that position in the first place.........

It must be difficult trying to argue when you you don't have a clue.....

 

[DaSleeper]

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2011.05.20 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - The Taliban bomb a car outside the American consulate, killing one person.
2011.05.19 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A cleric is sent to Allah by Religion of Peace rivals.
2011.05.19 (Abu Ghraib, Iraq) - A woman and two children are among the casualties when Sunni militants bomb a house.
2011.05.19 (Paktia, Afghanistan) - Thirty-five construction workers and guards are murdered by religious hardliners at a work site.
2011.05.19 (Kirkuk, Iraq) - Mujahideen detonate a car bomb in a parking lot, killing almost thirty Iraqis.
2011.05.18 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) - Boko Haram Islamists assault a police station, shooting ten people to death.

 

[CDNBear]

You have this slightly disconcerting habit of claiming that I said something that I clearly did not say.....and then attacking the position that you attributed to me, despite the fact I never took that position in the first place.........

I thought I was the only one that noticed him doing that to me, lol.

It must be difficult trying to argue when you you don't have a clue.....

Not for cubby, he just makes it up as he goes along.

too big

LOL, no it wasn't. But I was going to say, "I see a thumbs down in your future", lol.

 

[DaSleeper]

LOL, no it wasn't. But I was going to say, "I see a thumbs down in your future", lol.

I hate it when you hotlink a pic and it turns out big like that, I should have previewed it, and the subject wasn't worth the trouble of resizing :lol:

I'm working on more thumbs down.........

 

[CUBert]

Now CuBert, I realize that you are an idiot.

However, you should be capable of understanding the simplest concepts....

For example "much", as in "much of the Islamic world.....does NOT mean "all" as in "all Muslims clearly tolerate the actions of these countries"

You have this slightly disconcerting habit of claiming that I said something that I clearly did not say.....and then attacking the position that you attributed to me, despite the fact I never took that position in the first place.........

It must be difficult trying to argue when you you don't have a clue.....

It's not "much", it's not "all". Shut up you brain dead idiot.

Everything you know about Islam you learned on CNN or mainstream news articles!

 

[CDNBear]

It's not "much", it's not "all". Shut up you brain dead idiot.

There's more of the cubby school of superior debate...

I await another badge of honour, in way of your childish thumbs down.

 

[lone wolf]

How was it right?

Teen's slaying sparks 'honour killing' debate - thestar.com

 

[DaSleeper]

It's not "much", it's not "all". Shut up you brain dead idiot.

Everything you know about Islam you learned on CNN or mainstream news articles!

I'm sure al jazeera is an impartial source non?

 

[gerryh]

Alley, the mullah does not admit to Mohamed being a pedophile. What is admited to is the age of when he married the girl and the age of the girl when the marriage was consummated. By todays standards that would be considered pedophilia, by the standards of the time, it was far from it. Bringing up crap that happened 1400 fu cking years ago shows you're complete inability to support your own arguments. Colpy, you have been no better than Alley in your hatred of Islam and all things Islamic. "Much of" translates out quite easily to most, and then to all. Your back tracking by stating that you didn't say all you said "most" is just more bullshyte to stir up the brainless. More fear mongering at it's finest.

What I'm seeing here by the likes of Colpy, Alley, and Das, (Bear is just trolling) is no different than the crap that people like politicalnick post about the RCC.

 

[Cliffy]

The same rule applies here, that when pointing a finger at someone, there are three pointing back at you. Islam is certainly guilty of a lot of nasty stuff, but are we squeaky clean? Personally, I think the entire human race are a bunch of barbarians. Remove the constraints of law enforcement and social pressures to conform, and all hell would break lose on Earth.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Alley, the mullah does not admit to Mohamed being a pedophile. What is admited to is the age of when he married the girl and the age of the girl when the marriage was consummated. By todays standards that would be considered pedophilia, by the standards of the time, it was far from it. Bringing up crap that happened 1400 fu cking years ago shows you're complete inability to support your own arguments. Colpy, you have been no better than Alley in your hatred of Islam and all things Islamic. "Much of" translates out quite easily to most, and then to all. Your back tracking by stating that you didn't say all you said "most" is just more bullshyte to stir up the brainless. More fear mongering at it's finest.

What I'm seeing here by the likes of Colpy, Alley, and Das, (Bear is just trolling) is no different than the crap that people like politicalnick post about the RCC.

Gerry, you are still here, I thought you would be on your ascent to heaven by now. What happened bud???

 

[CDNBear]

Colpy, you have been no better than Alley in your hatred of Islam and all things Islamic. "Much of" translates out quite easily to most, and then to all.

"Much of" becomes 'all'....

Do you subscribe to the cubby school of debate too?

(Bear is just trolling)

What else is there to do in another one of these threads? It's not as if a reasoned discussion is going to spontaneously break out.

 

[DaSleeper]

Alley, the mullah does not admit to Mohamed being a pedophile. What is admited to is the age of when he married the girl and the age of the girl when the marriage was consummated. By todays standards that would be considered pedophilia, by the standards of the time, it was far from it. Bringing up crap that happened 1400 fu cking years ago shows you're complete inability to support your own arguments. Colpy, you have been no better than Alley in your hatred of Islam and all things Islamic. "Much of" translates out quite easily to most, and then to all. Your back tracking by stating that you didn't say all you said "most" is just more bullshyte to stir up the brainless. More fear mongering at it's finest.

What I'm seeing here by the likes of Colpy, Alley, and Das, (Bear is just trolling) is no different than the crap that people like politicalnick post about the RCC.

;-)

BTW GerryH......you seem to have a stalker:lol:

 

[gerryh]

Gerry, you are still here, I thought you would be on your ascent to heaven by now. What happened bud???

Have you ever seem me subscribe to the end of world predictions? Christ stated quite clearly that no one except God himself will know the time.

"Much of" becomes 'all'....

Do you subscribe to the cubby school of debate too?

What else is there to do in another one of these threads? It's not as if a reasoned discussion is going to spontaneously break out.

Actually, it's Colpy that is subscribing to that form of debate. I guess when it comes to Islam, some peoples brain cells just shut right down and even the inteligent become idiots.

 

[DaSleeper]

Funny how some people will take a fluff thread like this thread and "The end of the world" thread so seriously and get their panties in a twist..........

 

[CDNBear]

Actually, it's Colpy that is subscribing to that form of debate.

Funny, I don't get the same vibe.

 

[gerryh]

it's amazing how it seems that the only thing that some people can do is troll.