Is the US targeting Iran now??

Hoid

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I know who I won't believe

 

Ocean Breeze

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The world is blaming them so who knows
Iran is the current fall guy.

this incident is very murky....... and the facts are sparce.

the issue is that neither the USG or Iran can be believed. Neither has any credibility......regardless of how many "videos" the Trump regime comes up with.
 

Ocean Breeze

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After tanker attack in Gulf of Oman, Trump insists ��Iran did do it,�� rejecting denials and citing video released by U.S. military


President Trump, in an interview on ��Fox & Friends,�� pointed to video purporting to show Iranian vessels retrieving an unexploded mine from one of the damaged ships.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif earlier said the United States had ��immediately jumped to make allegations against Iran �� [without] a shred of factual or circumstantial evidence.��

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-national--alert-world--alert-politics&wpmk=1


unfortunately the USG has no cred... .......one cannot believe them. Not that anyone can take Iran's word as fact eitehr.

How can anyone forget the fake evidence that the Bush regime presented to support their war in Iraq. ?
 

Twin_Moose

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Iran is the current fall guy.
this incident is very murky....... and the facts are sparce.
the issue is that neither the USG or Iran can be believed. Neither has any credibility......regardless of how many "videos" the Trump regime comes up with.

Same tactics they used in the '80's to disrupt oil prices so who knows
 

Danbones

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Just like Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Venezuela, Yemenm, Somalia, Nigeria and...etc etc etc...
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etc etc etc...
 

Ocean Breeze

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Iran threatens to exceed limits on uranium set by nuclear pact
The threat comes amid escalating tensions with the United States and so far unsuccessful European efforts to salvage the 2015 deal.

source: WAPO
 

Walter

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The US targeted Iran from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 2009 and again from January 20, 2017 to the present.
 

spilledthebeer

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The US targeted Iran from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 2009 and again from January 20, 2017 to the present.


If Iran does not like Yankee attention..............................


THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Iran should STOP trying to build nuclear weapons with which to THREATEN the entire planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Just because some CRAZY OLD Ayatollahs think it is a good idea to " KILL ALL and let Allah sort them out".................................


DOES NOT MEAN the rest of us are SUPPORTIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

NZDoug

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I guess Shanahan doesn’t wanna play any more, and he didn’t even start..
18 Jun 2019
Military.com | By Gina Harkins
President Donald Trump's pick to run the Pentagon has taken himself out of the running following media reports that near decade-old domestic disputes were holding up his FBI background checks.

Patrick Shanahan, the former Boeing executive Trump planned to nominate to replace Jim Mattis as defense secretary, "decided not to go forward with his confirmation process so that he can devote more time to his family," Trump tweeted on Tuesday.
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https://www.military.com/daily-news...ecretary-after-reports-fbi-investigation.html
 

NZDoug

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US was building nuclear reactors for Iran pre 1979 student rebellion, pre-ousting of the Shah.
Iran was to be the first non American country to get the Macdonald Douglas F-15 Eagle.
Bell helicopters alone had over 5000 full time employees in Iran to service Irans military helicopter fleet.
That is back when Iran was Americas enforcer in the Middle East and protector of Israel.
The porn brought in to Iran by these people was when Iranian people first called American "The Great Satan".
These facts are not brought up when cruising down memory lane.
 
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Walter

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US was building nuclear reactors for Iran pre 1979 student rebellion, pre-ousting of the Shah.
Iran was to be the first non American country to get the Macdonald Douglas F-15 Eagle.
Bell helicopters alone had over 5000 full time employees in Iran to service Irans military helicopter fleet.
That is back when Iran was Americas enforcer in the Middle East and protector of Israel.
The porn brought in to Iran by these people was when Iranian people first called American "The Great Satan".
These facts are not brought up when cruising down memory lane.
Total bullshit.
 

NZDoug

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Total bullshit.
You are wrong.
This propitious start to the relationship, which positioned Washington more favorably than the imperial machinations of Britain and Russia, is all but forgotten today, thanks to the U.S. role in ousting Iran’s nationalist prime minister in 1953 and the subsequent embrace of Shah Mohammad Reza by successive American administrations. The coup was a momentous turning point for Iran; coinciding with a broader imperative around American engagement in the Middle East, the CIA’s role in preserving the monarchy meant that for the first time, Washington assumed a real stake in Iran’s fate. The generous American program of technical and financial assistance that followed the shah’s reinstatement enabled him to impose greater central control and reassemble the instruments of the state under his personal authority. Over time, it would become painfully clear that the costs of the coup in stoking paranoia, enabling repression, and undermining the Pahlavis’ legitimacy vastly outweighed its short-term benefits, but at the time the preoccupation with the Cold War obscured Iranian resentment fueled by the American intervention.
nstead, Americans and the world marveled as Iran made epic progress over the next quarter-century. Under the auspices of the shah’s “White Revolution,” a multifaceted set of political and economic reforms that, together with the oil boom, helped generate rapid growth and a dynamic, cosmopolitan society. Average annual growth rates between 1959 and 1972 were 9.8 percent—on par with the more recent experience of China.The number of primary school students increased from 286,000 to 5.2 million, and adult literacy rates shot from 16 percent to 36 percent in the monarchy’s final 15 years. Women secured the right to vote and run in parliamentary elections, and their political participation helped advance a progressive new family law. Iran’s middle class approached one-fourth of the labor force, composed of an estimated 700,000 salaried professionals and an additional 1 million families associated with the bazaar and small manufacturers. For millions of Iranians, the shah’s development program generated tangible improvements in their quality of life and expectations of upward mobility for their children.
And yet Iran’s aggressive modernization triggered deep fissures that, over time, escalated to corrode the foundations of the monarchy. The launch of the shah’s reform agenda met with fierce opposition among influential constituencies in the clergy, the merchant class, and major landholders. They saw land reform as an encroachment on their income, the extension of women’s suffrage as an assault on their values, the legal protections afforded to Americans in Iran as an intolerable capitulation of Iran’s sovereignty. In 1963, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini emerged as the most powerful voice of opposition, denouncing the shah as a “wretched, miserable man” and a puppet of American and Israeli masters. His arrest and deportation to Iraq a year later seemed to neutralize the threat; as would eventually become clear, Khomeini’s arms-length distance from the shah’s steady attenuation of Iran’s political opposition only magnified his influence.
IRAN’S THIRST FOR “MODERNITY”
Through the 1960s and 1970s, the embrace between the shah and Washington grew ever closer. With commercial ties expanding steadily, Iran’s great leap forward had direct beneficiaries in the United States. The floodgates opened—especially for military hardware—after the price of oil quadrupled in 1973. The shah launched a big-budget defense buildup, purchasing more than $16 billion in arms from the United States between 1972 and 1977, on top of approximately $3 billion per year in bilateral civilian trade.
The bilateral relationship transcended the obvious energy and military trade. Between 1973 and 1978, telephone calls between the United States and Iran skyrocketed by 1,600 percent. At least 60 thousand Iranians lived or studied in the United States, while 50,000 Americans were working in Iran. More than 50 American universities had campuses in Iran or partnerships with Iranian counterparts. Tehran, Isfahan, and Shiraz became chic destinations for tourists: Andy Warhol went there to paint the empress’s portrait; Elizabeth Taylor visited, drinking vodka with her caviar. And the shah invited his son’s favorite actor, the star of the 1970s television hit “The Six Million Dollar Man,” who brought his starlet wife, Farrah Fawcett. “This is an enchanted land in which modernity, thanks to an enlightened young ruler and the presence of an enormous supply of petroleum, harmonizes with one of the earliest civilizations known to recorded history,” gushed the New York Times in 1965. The Pahlavis’ Iran was distant but familiar for Americans—and firmly on the path to “modernity.”
The shah thought so as well. He abhorred traditionalism; as he declared in his memoirs, “I could not stop building supermarkets. I wanted a modern country.” Giddy with success and eager to expedite Iran’s transformation, he boasted that Iran’s economy would outpace that of Germany and France by the turn of the century, overriding his advisors’ objections and doubling government spending in 1973. But even with record oil revenues, the scope and pace of his ambitions outstripped the country’s absorptive capacity. Iran suffered all the predictable consequences of hyper-growth: rising inflation, corruption, and income inequality; rapid urbanization and inadequate public services; structural bottlenecks, vast inefficiencies, and an influx of foreign workers and associated cultural frictions. As Tehran sought to manage the disruptive impact of volatile energy markets, its remedies often exacerbated the problems, especially given the shah’s increasingly autocratic political impulses. Since 1953, he had taken care to eliminate any potential threats to his reign, through the much-feared secret police and restrictions on political activity. Soon enough, the monarchy found itself facing a steadily escalating barrage of protests, as an improbable cooperation among Iran’s traditional nationalists, radical Marxists, and a highly politicized faction of the clerical establishment came together to confront the shah.
https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/1979-iran-and-america/