Is Obama already planning his re-election ?

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Personally, I don’t think much of the credit goes to Obama. He gets the credit to the extent that I assume he told the Navy to do what they considered appropriate to rescue the captain, he didn’t try to micromanage the operation. Beyond that, I don’t think he deserves much of a credit.

But then I didn’t blame him at the top of my lungs as the right wingers did. If somebody blames Obama for the hostage situation and credits somebody else for the rescue, it shows the rank partisanship of the worst kind.

Personally, I don’t think Obama was in any way to blame for the original situation, and I don’t think he deserves all that much credit for resolving it (except for the fact that he probably gave the Navy pretty much a free hand).
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
Personally, I don’t think much of the credit goes to Obama. He gets the credit to the extent that I assume he told the Navy to do what they considered appropriate to rescue the captain, he didn’t try to micromanage the operation. Beyond that, I don’t think he deserves much of a credit.

But then I didn’t blame him at the top of my lungs as the right wingers did. If somebody blames Obama for the hostage situation and credits somebody else for the rescue, it shows the rank partisanship of the worst kind.

Personally, I don’t think Obama was in any way to blame for the original situation, and I don’t think he deserves all that much credit for resolving it (except for the fact that he probably gave the Navy pretty much a free hand).
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Common sense says that the same guy who takes the credit takes the blame, you can't have it both ways.
 
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I never blamed a party only the President for foot dragging and being indecisive.

Ironsides, how do you know that Obama was foot dragging and indecisive? I assume he told the Navy to do whatever they considered appropriate. I assume it was the Navy’s decision to drag it on for so long, it had nothing to do with Obama. I am sure Obama was not micromanaging the crises (and that is why he deserves neither the blame nor the credit for it).

And I think the Navy handled it just right. They could have blown the pirates to smithereens anytime they wished, but they would have killed the captain in the process. So they (wisely in my opinion) decided to wait out the pirates. Eventually they would run out of food, water etc. and then Navy would be in a stronger position to parlay with them.

My understanding is that Navy thought that the captain’s life was in danger, that is why they moved. It was a risky operation, and there was a good possibility that captain may have been killed. That is why Navy didn’t move until they thought that captain's life was in danger (maybe pirates were running out of food and they had decided to eat the captain, I don’t know).

So you call it foot dragging and indecisive, I call it being patient, vigilant and careful. Their first priority was not to harm the captain, and their delay, foot dragging was quite justified.
 
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lone wolf said:
It's always the guy at the top who gets the credit or the one on the bottom who catches the blame.... That's what they call PROTOCAL
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I always get a chuckle out of the following

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Six Phases of a Project

  1. Enthusiaism
  2. Dissillusionment
  3. Panic
  4. Search for the guilty
  5. Punishment of the innocent
  6. Praise and honours for the non-participants
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
What would have happened if it went wrong, think Obama would have said anything, and why did it take 5 days

Ironsides, what would have happened if it had gone wrong? People like you would be screaming at the top of their voice, that Obama is responsible, that he was the one who gave the disastrous order to try the rescue.

Now that it went well beyond expectation, people like you, as expected will give credit to anybody but Obama (I assume you haven’t yet found a way to give credit to a Republican). It is all part of being a Obama hater.
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SirJosephPorter, you have it all wrong, it is people like you who assume no responsibility, allow other to do the work for you then when things go wrong you look to blame somebody. Everything in life does not necessarily require someone to be blamed. I gave credit where it belonged, with the Captain of the USS Bainbridge and those Navy Seals. I only blame Obama for not acting fast enough, if it had failed, at least someone had tried.
 
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"So you call it foot dragging and indecisive, I call it being patient, vigilant and careful. Their first priority was not to harm the captain, and their delay, foot dragging was quite justified."

Yes, you and Monty have a lot in common.
 
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ironsides said:
"So you call it foot dragging and indecisive, I call it being patient, vigilant and careful. Their first priority was not to harm the captain, and their delay, foot dragging was quite justified."

Yes, you and Monty have a lot in common.
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The important thing is to do it right and the proper amount of time should be taken to ensure it is done right, if it's done wrong, the amount of time taken is irrelevent.
 
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I only blame Obama for not acting fast enough, if it had failed, at least someone had tried.

Irosndies, sure, at least someone would have tried. And the captain would be dead. And people like you would be blaming Obama at the top of their voice, for killing the captain.
 
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SirJosephPorter said:
I only blame Obama for not acting fast enough, if it had failed, at least someone had tried.

Irosndies, sure, at least someone would have tried. And the captain would be dead. And people like you would be blaming Obama at the top of their voice, for killing the captain.
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It's funny how some people can't seem to understand that.
 
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ironsides said:
SirJosephPorter, you have it all wrong, it is people like you who assume no responsibility, allow other to do the work for you then when things go wrong you look to blame somebody. Everything in life does not necessarily require someone to be blamed. I gave credit where it belonged, with the Captain of the USS Bainbridge and those Navy Seals. I only blame Obama for not acting fast enough, if it had failed, at least someone had tried.
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I blame Obama PERSONALLY for letting it happen and give credit to the US Navy for bailing his butt out of the mess. :lol:
 
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