Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?
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But if the truth is unknowable, then how do you know that there is a truth? Or what makes you so sure that there are not many truths?
When truth is unknowable, one may assign any value (or several values) to the truth, there is no way to contradict anything assigned to the unknowable. It is like 0/0 I discussed in one of my posts.
So my Applism is fully as valid as your Christianity. There is no way anybody can prove that Applism (or Christianity) is false. Same way there is no way anybody can prove either of them to be true. Or maybe both are true (or neither is true), who knows?
I've always resisted arguing seriously about religion, but everyone else seems to want to & I think I'm capable of thoughts that are just as valid. So let's start with a clean slate uncluttered by ANYTHING anyone has written/said so far and ask two questions. Does the human animal have a purpose for being here? If so what's the purpose?
And just what is wrong with discussing religion, JLM? Everybody has an opinion, there is no way to prove anybody right or wrong, it is a perfect subject for discussion.
As to the purpose, humans don’t have any purpose; we are products of blind evolution. The only purpose we have in life is survival of the self and (an even stronger instinct) survival of the species. These instincts are hard wired into any species. Any actions human being take can be reduced to one of the two instincts, forget about religion, Ten Commandments, The Sura etc.
As to the purpose, humans don’t have any purpose; we are products of blind evolution. The only purpose we have in life is survival of the self and (an even stronger instinct) survival of the species. These instincts are hard wired into any species. Any actions human being take can be reduced to one of the two instincts, forget about religion, Ten Commandments, The Sura etc.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I have ideas about it, but that's all they are. Most people who want to discuss it base their premises on what someone else has said or written, without proof that anything previously said or written is valid. A lot of it by functionally illiterate sheep herders in a different language. YOu say we have no purpose, maybe so, maybe not. Where is your proof?
It is simple, JLM. We cannot see any purpose for life. So those who claim that there is a purpose, the burden of proof is upon them to prove that there is a purpose, it is not upon me to prove that there is no purpose (you cannot prove a negative anyway).
Now we are getting somewhere, your contention is just an idea, not a valid opinion.
[FONT="] "To be born again is to become as a child, to look at life with open, clear and unprejudiced eyes every day, as if we have never seen it before. Jesus would probably be as repulsed by what has become of his teachings as he was with the Pharisees. He said to them “You search the scriptures daily, for in them you think* you find life”.
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[FONT="] Books[/FONT] can teach us nothing about life. They can only show us someone else’s perspective. To study life we just have to observe it as it unfolds around us and draw our own conclusions as to how it affects us and vise versa."
This is a perspective of mine. Just something to add to the mix.
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[FONT="] Books[/FONT] can teach us nothing about life. They can only show us someone else’s perspective. To study life we just have to observe it as it unfolds around us and draw our own conclusions as to how it affects us and vise versa."
This is a perspective of mine. Just something to add to the mix.
You've absolutely hit the nail on the head. 99% of religious fanatics all quote someone else, in other words just perpetuating the bullsh*t.
As Allan Watts once said, religious and spiritual books are like fingers pointing the way. The mistake most people make is stop and suck on the finger, thinking that they will receive spiritual nourishment, instead of going in the direction the finger is pointing in.
Furthermore, there is considerable doubt "Paul" actually existed. Writings attributed to him seem to have been written by different hands. Remember too, there is no historical evidence for jesus, Noah, Moses and most of the people starring in the Book Of Lies.