Is Jesus A Prophet According To The Old Testament?

SirJosephPorter

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Paul was an ego maniac cashing in a popular movement for his own glorification. He never met Jesus and misunderstood the message or bent it to his own prejudices.


Isn’t this the same Paul who decreed that women must be silent in the Church? That a woman should be seen, and not heard?
 

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Paul was an ego maniac cashing in a popular movement for his own glorification. He never met Jesus and misunderstood the message or bent it to his own prejudices.


I think the Christianity before Paul was like the Islam and like the original teachings of Moses and Abraham.

It may be that it is this Paul that disotorted it to be enthusiastic about Jesus, and to encourage the non-marriage state and many other inventions.

His actual name was Saul, and was their persecuting enemy, until he claimed seeing Jesus in a vision (I think that was from Satan); then this Saul turned upside down and started to preach the Christianity but in a distorted way; and there were some other men, like Barnaba, who disagreed with him and with his kind of teachings.

God is the All-Knowing.
 
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AnnaG

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Their interpretations were not a matter of individual freedom.
roflmao It was a conspiracy?
How would you know? Have you any evidence that people more than 2010 years ago couldn't think for themselves? Plato, Socrates, Lao Tsu, Confucius, etc. couldn't think for themselves? roflmao

A lot of Christianity was borrowed from older sources. So apparently, Christians aren't particularly good at free thinking either. Judaism (Comparison Chart: Christianity vs. Judaism - ReligionFacts), Paganism (POCM Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth), Hinduism (Hinduism traditions and Christianity, the Trinity in Hinduism), etc. Indeed the "Golden Rule" as Christians like to call it had been mentioned for thousands of years before the Old Testament was written.
 

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roflmao It was a conspiracy?
How would you know? Have you any evidence that people more than 2010 years ago couldn't think for themselves? Plato, Socrates, Lao Tsu, Confucius, etc. couldn't think for themselves? roflmao

Individual freedom is distinguishing modern societies from traditional ones.
 

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But if the truth is unknowable, then how do you know that there is a truth? Or what makes you so sure that there are not many truths?

Because of the law on non-contradiction.

When truth is unknowable, one may assign any value (or several values) to the truth, there is no way to contradict anything assigned to the unknowable. It is like 0/0 I discussed in one of my posts.

Assigning several values to the truth is called trial and error, SJP.

So my Applism is fully as valid as your Christianity. There is no way anybody can prove that Applism (or Christianity) is false.

Here's wear I got you, because in your heart you know Applism is false, if your capable of being honest with yourself.

Same way there is no way anybody can prove either of them to be true.

That's correct, but Christianity is reasonable and can be believed beyond reasonable doubt. Atheism, not so much.

Or maybe both are true (or neither is true), who knows?

Approx 2.1 billion people who are currently alive, plus all people past. They know.
 

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...Christianity is reasonable and can be believed beyond reasonable doubt. Atheism, not so much.
That's true only for somebody who's already convinced Christianity is true. I don't find its claims reasonable at all, I see no essential difference between it and Greek and Roman mythology, and that's the status it has in my world view.
Approx 2.1 billion people who are currently alive, plus all people past. They know.
The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's actually true.
 

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That's true only for somebody who's already convinced Christianity is true. I don't find its claims reasonable at all, I see no essential difference between it and Greek and Roman mythology, and that's the status it has in my world view.
The number of people who believe something to be true has nothing to do with whether it's actually true.
Yup! Everybody believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around it for thousands of years. That's a lot of stupid people. Probably more than 2 billion, I'm sure!
 

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Here's wear I got you, because in your heart you know Applism is false, if your capable of being honest with yourself.
So? Who's to say that Christianity is not also false? Christians? I believe toads can fly, it's true because I said so, and that's why I believe it. lmao



That's correct, but Christianity is reasonable and can be believed beyond reasonable doubt. Atheism, not so much.
Atheism isn';t reasonable? Seems to me they prefer to have evidence in order to believe in something. Christians' evidence is what? Words that humans wrote in a book? Christians believe just because they believe. Atheists believe because there is evidence. Who is using reason?



Approx 2.1 billion people who are currently alive, plus all people past. They know.
But can't provide any evidence for their claims. lmao
I can wiggle my nose and make stuff appear from nothing, too.
 

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So? Who's to say that Christianity is not also false? Christians? I believe toads can fly, it's true because I said so, and that's why I believe it. lmao



Atheism isn';t reasonable? Seems to me they prefer to have evidence in order to believe in something. Christians' evidence is what? Words that humans wrote in a book? Christians believe just because they believe. Atheists believe because there is evidence. Who is using reason?



But can't provide any evidence for their claims. lmao
I can wiggle my nose and make stuff appear from nothing, too.

Evidence, evidence, evidence: learn a bit about Thomas:

http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8173

 

AnnaG

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What you don't understand is that faith (in the infallibility of the Bible) means freedom (from the tyranny of evidences).
.... and makes you slave to your fantasies. No, I do understand what you said.
 

SirJosephPorter

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The law of non contradiction does not apply when truth is unknowable, alley.

Assigning several values to the truth is called trial and error, SJP.

Only when truth is knowable. When the truth is unknowable, assigning several values to the truth is no better or worse than assigning one value to it (or assigning no value). When the truth is unknowable, one may assign as many value to it as one wishes, there is no way to prove it right or wrong.

Here's wear I got you, because in your heart you know Applism is false, if your capable of being honest with yourself.

I know no such thing. I think Applism is false, because I conjured it out of thin air. But am I absolutely positive, absolutely certain that it is false? No, I am not, for the simple reason that we don’t know the truth. Since truth is unknowable, Applism has as much claim to the truth as Christianity.

That's correct, but Christianity is reasonable and can be believed beyond reasonable doubt. Atheism, not so much.

Reasonable according to you, alley, not according to me.

Approx 2.1 billion people who are currently alive, plus all people past. They know.

As several posters have already pointed out, numbers don’t mean a thing.