Is it up to us to believe in God?

[Dexter Sinister]

Good luck finding him.

 

[JLM]

It is very astonishing that some very rational people out there are still thinking believing in God is optional...
Let us assume a scenario and think about it for a while...
This very accurate universe has a creator who created it on purpose and takes care of it all the time... He chose to make his actions very simple so that his creatures - who would be created later - can understand them. He did not have to create the universe in any specific way because - as a mighty creator - he could have said: be and it would have been....
As a creator, place and time do not apply to him. Those terms just describe things applied to creatures. He is above time. A day, 6 days, and 100 millions years all the same of course...
He chose to create the universe in some way - big bang for example or any other way - and this universe - once created - introduced the concepts of place a time among others...
He created the universe to last for a specific period of time. He is the only one who knows the end.
He chose some part of the universe - we call it Earth -...
He created all kind of creatures in different ways and with different needs. He created the most necessary needs - air and water for example - and makes them for free. No one can prevent others from having them as that would be life-threatening.
He put all will-be-needed things - thorough the whole journey - in that planet. He put them in many forms that - in time - would be discovered. Generations after generations would live unaware of many things simply because they would not be needed for them at that time....
He created the Man who is the purpose of this entire creation. Man - who is almost nothing compared to other parts in the universe in terms of size - would have something different. This thing would be the mind. Man will be the only creature that can be aware of himself and the universe... He would have a complete choice to do whatever he wants - withing the rules of universe- and would be able to realize that he himself and everything else could not have been created from nothing....
But just realizing that there must be a creator does not tell a lot about that creator... what HE wants mankind to do would be unknown....
Through thousands of years God would choose some specific persons - very good samples - and would reveal the truth to them and ask them to convey the message to their people. Just conveying the message and it is up people - as long as they are alive - to believe or not. But sooner or later, they would finish their period of living on this earth and would be asked how they dealt with his messengers and what they did with his instructions...
Over time, thousands of prophets and messengers came with the same massage: You have a God. Your were not created by nothing. You would be left for nothing.....
So whether people do believe that or not, the fact remains that this is the biggest matter in life....
People get so involved and overwhelmed by life details and do not see the whole picture...

What do you think? Share your opinions..

Everybody has their own ideas on the subject, but NOBODY knows for sure what the entire truth is. I've been preached to by a few before you came along but they didn't sell me on anything beyond realizing what they had was one more opinion. Of course it's up to us to believe in God...........................or NOT, last I heard we still have freedom of worship in this country. :smile:

 

[Praxius]

Good luck finding him.

Contact the Pope.... I hear he's God's Manager on Earth.

 

[damngrumpy]

If the Pope is God's manager on earth all I can say is God Help Us

 

[Cliffy]

If I win the match, can I hope for a little more respect? I promise to be more benevolent and to fire the Pope.

 

[Hawkins]

What do you think? Share your opinions..

God saves whoever He wants to save, as Satan has disabled everyone's sense about God and his ability of choosing God. As a result, only those who are qualified to live in eternity with God will be brought to heaven, as others have given up due to the influence of Satan. God's plan is a perfect plan for whoever sins in the timeline of eternity, He kicks him out of heaven but during his life time on earth, that is, even before he can enter the gate of heaven.

 

[talloola]

God saves whoever He wants to save, as Satan has disabled everyone's sense about God and his ability of choosing God. As a result, only those who are qualified to live in eternity with God will be brought to heaven, as others have given up due to the influence of Satan. God's plan is a perfect plan for whoever sins in the timeline of eternity, He kicks him out of heaven but during his life time on earth, that is, even before he can enter the gate of heaven.

sounds like an interesting screen play for hollywood, a sci fi, and a very scary bit of fiction.

 

[Hawkins]

sounds like an interesting screen play for hollywood, a sci fi, and a very scary bit of fiction.

That's a reflection of faith (or your religion) if you'd like to believe that way. Your faith here is quite useless.

 

[Corduroy]

And you wonder why some are not treated very nicely? With the two groups, what become of the ones who are punished, like the ones your example suggests you would belong to?

I'm not sure I follow you.

What is god ?

I don't know.

Gawd damn it Dex (I just had to say that) this is a 4 year old thread.

Derp I didn't notice it either, but I didn't gravedig it... just gave it life

 

[MHz]

I'm not sure I follow you.

Wanting to abolish Christ would put you in the grave (should His return happen while you have that mindset, ........ I just curious as to what your fate would be after you are in the grave?

 

[JLM]

Are you saying believing in God is not optional? Are you suggesting that in a democratic
state people should be forced to believe regardless of what they really believe? And if so
how the hell do you intend to enforce that? God is a concept, some people believe in a
form of God even though everyone does not believe the same things about God. Some
do not believe in anything. I for example am so sick of hearing about what we have to
believe or can't believe I think I will worship the number 17 sounds logical to me regardless
of what others think. You don't think I am right? Well show me your scientific proof that the
living God of the ancients being two thousand years ago, is still alive and thriving. To do
that you will have to show me photo's of Heaven itself.
The point is, no one has to believe anything, and belief is in fact optional, the reason is we
live in a free society and we have the right to our beliefs, but I am sure there are people like
you who would really like to change that, so God the ego maniac can be master of the
universe. Its either that or you are making the rules for God.

Aren't these nuts just a laugh a minute? :lol:

God saves whoever He wants to save, as Satan has disabled everyone's sense about God and his ability of choosing God. As a result, only those who are qualified to live in eternity with God will be brought to heaven, as others have given up due to the influence of Satan. God's plan is a perfect plan for whoever sins in the timeline of eternity, He kicks him out of heaven but during his life time on earth, that is, even before he can enter the gate of heaven.

Actually, that is bullsh*t..................God gave us the brains and wherewithall (barring accidents) to save ourselves............he might have better things to do than keeping an eye on 5 billion people on the planet.

 

[MHz]

God gave us the brains and wherewithall (barring accidents) to save ourselves.

What's the score on how many people have avoided death?

 

[JLM]

What's the score on how many people have avoided death?

Millions- temporarily. :smile:

 

[taxslave]

First off you have no proof that there is a god, much less a "he". Provide proof and perhaps rational people will believe you. I'll give you the same deal I give to any one else that claims their cult has the one true god. Bring him/her over to my house for a cup of tea and I will admit that I was wrong. So far none of the religious fanatics on here have been able to produce, maybe you will hit the jackpot, if not then you are just another crackpot.

 

[TenPenny]

It's hard for anyone to argue that deciding to believe something or not is an individual choice. Nobody can force you to believe something, therefore, whether you believe in god or not, it's a personal choice you make.

 

[MHz]

Bring him/her over to my house for a cup of tea and I will admit that I was wrong. So far none of the religious fanatics on here have been able to produce, maybe you will hit the jackpot, if not then you are just another crackpot.

He left the invitation to knock on His door, have you taken Him up on that offer yet?

If you prefer it stay as per your demand you should have been wise enough to set a time, it would seem you left the arrival date up to Him, the offer makes it appear that God would be obeying your order when an arrival was already prophecised. Any specific demands on that fateful day?

Heb.10:31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[Cliffy]

I find the whole idea of fearing god repulsive. That is why I reject the whole concept of god as presented by the Bible/Quran/Torah. That is why I think I would do a better job as god than your psychopath. I'm just insane in a benevolent sort of way.

 

[mentalfloss]

I find the whole idea of fearing god repulsive. That is why I reject the whole concept of god as presented by the Bible/Quran/Torah. That is why I think I would do a better job as god than your psychopath. I'm just insane in a benevolent sort of way.

Same.

In this day and age, even if there was a God, who in their right mind would want one?

 

[JLM]

]I find the whole idea of fearing god repulsive[/B]. That is why I reject the whole concept of god as presented by the Bible/Quran/Torah. That is why I think I would do a better job as god than your psychopath. I'm just insane in a benevolent sort of way.

I don't think that's the religion, Cliff- THAT comes from these holier than thou Bible thumpers who in their own minds are pure as the wind driven snow & get great enjoyment in watching their "subordinates" sweat. :smile:

 

[talloola]

That's a reflection of faith (or your religion) if you'd like to believe that way. Your faith here is quite useless.

I don't believe in any gods or have any religion, and nothing about my life is useless, just
the opposite.

Millions- temporarily. :smile:

Perfect answer JLM, I think that is the whole concept of this blarney,
the fear of death.

A little bird can freeze on a limb and fall to its death, and never wimper or complain or
have fear, it accepts life as it comes to it, without having to find a crutch to hold it
up, or a fear of the hereafter, (we should learn that much)

It is all about 'us' and how to have that same acceptance without leaning on a myth.

The last thing I worry about in life is what will happen after death, the important
matter at hand is about 'living' not about 'dieing'.