Is it up to us to believe in God?

[MHz]

I don't think that's the religion, Cliff- THAT comes from these holier than thou Bible thumpers who in their own minds are pure as the wind driven snow & get great enjoyment in watching their "subordinates" sweat. :smile:

How much could this possibly make people sweat? God wipes away any tears He causes, as well as those anybody else has caused you (ie false Christians) Be afraid, be very afraid. lol

Re.20:4
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Re.20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.

If you promote men ending up in the same lake Satan ends up in then that is how you would run the show, given the chance you said you want, who should we be afraid of God using the fate the Bible says those ones have, or your desire that would outstrip event what you envision God as being like in the OT. (grave death can be undone, lake deaths cannot, even by God.

I would think people look for sanctuary away from false Christians more than they do from people who, if your retreat turns out to be no protection even from the ills of this world (radiation) then how much more easier will it be for God to find you? If He shows up with something you desire in His hands you won't have any fight in you so He won't have to put you with the false Christians(all your blood relatives and all you dead pets) That's who your complaint is with unless a big ol Bible was dropped on you way back when. To be mad at Him for false ones being around is a little less than what our own court of Law would support.
If you want to show Him, up go an puppy/kitty rescue adventures in Japan's danger zones. Might as well feed that cattle as well and see what happens in the decades to follow. You know what would be needed if one was very far gone right? Now multipily that by millions and you get into emotions that God gets to deal with. Some of your paths would even make Satan stop and look in 'condemnation'.

Other than that how's the morning going? Fair took a backseat to effective hopefully.

 

[damngrumpy]

Let us take one small concept and focus on this for a moment. God in Heaven is the father
of us all. Now if we do what the father says, we will all go to Heaven, listen to angels sing and
eat our favourite flavour of ice cream.
If we don't do what God our father says he will take us down stairs give us to uncle Satan and
uncle will throw us into the furnace for eternity.
Does that sound rational to you, what the hell drugs were these people on that came up with
that story? If we are to be thrown in the furnace of the universe the only thing we would know
is that God would be a recyclers.
Going to other parts of the Bible, what ever happened to the passages about forgiveness?
Oh it doesn't matter everyone goes into the furnace.
The other thing that always gets me, is the fact that the Son of God came, and mankind then
and there killed him. What a guilt trip. We turned this into a sacrifice for all our sins, but in
fact its a guilt trip laid on by those Bible Thumpers who claim we are all going to hell but we can
join them if we buy a ticket to hypocrisy. Lord Suffering Christ, I could never imagine being stuck
in a place like Heaven surrounded by Bible Thumpers. There I have said it what so many wanted
to say, but are usually too polite to do so. I feel better now, I guess I have chosen not to go along
with the religious crowd.

 

[Corduroy]

Wanting to abolish Christ would put you in the grave (should His return happen while you have that mindset, ........ I just curious as to what your fate would be after you are in the grave?

If you read my post more closely, you might notice that I already know the answer you're trying to get at. It's part of the reason why I say that if God existed he would have to be abolished.

 

[Cliffy]

If you read my post more closely, you might notice that I already know the answer you're trying to get at. It's part of the reason why I say that if God existed he would have to be abolished.

Oh god exists simply by the fact that people who believe feed it energy. If everybody stopped believing, it would stop existing. It feeds on their fear like a psychic vampire.

 

[Corduroy]

Santa Claus too?

 

[Cliffy]

Santa Claus too?

Ya, but Santa ain't nasty. That's it: Santa for god!

 

[mentalfloss]

God does not give out gifts...


But.. Santa does..

I like this new Santa-God. I'm on board.

 

[MHz]

If you read my post more closely, you might notice that I already know the answer you're trying to get at. It's part of the reason why I say that if God existed he would have to be abolished.

Let's review what God existing means first as far as it is in terms of judging all of mankind. At the moment we are subject to a time that God is restricted from physical interaction in the affairs of Nations. When that restriction is lifted a period of time expires that allows Jesus to 'observe' who had repented and who has not. It is already pre-determined to be 1/3 repented and they remain alive and 2/3 will die. That is the fulfillment of the verses below, the ones mentioned are just the 3/3 of the living, the next reverence is how the ones who are not alive to see that day and it is more that Jesus is judging the Church and it is false Christians that end up in hell while any other people that remain in death are asleep and not aware of anything until God resurrected them to life after they have served their punishment time.

(the 'servants' would include the 1/3 that survived the sword and anybody destined to be part of the living in the period of time called the 1,000 years)

Isa.65:11
But ye are they that forsake the LORD,
that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop,
and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
Isa.65:12
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Isa.65:13
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold, my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold, my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Isa.65:14
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
Isa.65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:

Compare that to some NT verses.

1Th.4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th.4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Pe.4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Lu.12:45
But and if that servant say in his heart,
My lord delayeth his coming;
and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens,
and to eat and drink,
and to be drunken;
Lu.12:46
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him,
and at an hour when he is not aware,
and will cut him in sunder,
and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Lu.12:47
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lu.12:48
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.
Lu.12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth;
and what will I,
if it be already kindled?

Da.12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
Da.12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Da.12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Hopefully you are still with me, that judgment above is the same one as the sheep/goats in Matthew 25, the Church, false Christians are the goats and they end up in hell (same place Satan is for the 1,000 years, the men in hell remain in hell so they are not released when Satan is, that is an event for the living to witness as their introduction to God after being under the care and control of Jesus for 1,000 years.

The ones not in hell experience that time like Job and Solomon say.

Job.14:12
So man lieth down,
and riseth not:
till the heavens be no more,
they shall not awake,
nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job.14:13
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave,
that thou wouldest keep me secret,
until thy wrath be past,
that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,
and remember me!
Job.14:14
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Job.14:15
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


Ec.3:20
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec.12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ec.9:10
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave, whither thou goest.

If you are no longer following the above try this this shorter one. Ge.3:16 names two bruises, one has been accomplished and it had enough bloodshed that even God's one and only Son went to the grave for His participation at keeping the serpent at bay. The bruise not yet completed is the serpents death, that is not going to be bloodless either. Bloodless comes after that event, why abolish God for the way things are going in the middle of the prophecies?

Oh god exists simply by the fact that people who believe feed it energy. If everybody stopped believing, it would stop existing. It feeds on their fear like a psychic vampire.

Death and (the actions classified as sin), especially liars, and tribulation of any kind would come to an end? Trafficking in human bodies is a crime that is not driven by any specific religion, it is money and lust, would that increase or decrease? (with religion missing)

 

[JLM]

I don't believe in any gods or have any religion, and nothing about my life is useless, just
the opposite.



.

Tsk, tsk, Talloola - You are NOT listening to the know it all Bible thumpers- you're liable to head "south" when you die. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[MHz]

Santa Claus too?

Santa Claws is a commercialized corporate entity riding on the backs of false Christian holy days that see the tables of the money-changers doing record business(in that only one day is specified as being said to be remembered)

 

[Corduroy]

Let's review what God existing means first as far as it is in terms of judging all of mankind. At the moment we are subject to a time that God is restricted from physical interaction in the affairs of Nations. When that restriction is lifted a period of time expires that allows Jesus to 'observe' who had repented and who has not. It is already pre-determined to be 1/3 repented and they remain alive and 2/3 will die. That is the fulfillment of the verses below, the ones mentioned are just the 3/3 of the living, the next reverence is how the ones who are not alive to see that day and it is more that Jesus is judging the Church and it is false Christians that end up in hell while any other people that remain in death are asleep and not aware of anything until God resurrected them to life after they have served their punishment time.

(the 'servants' would include the 1/3 that survived the sword and anybody destined to be part of the living in the period of time called the 1,000 years)

Isa.65:11
But ye are they that forsake the LORD,
that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop,
and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
Isa.65:12
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Isa.65:13
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold, my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold, my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Isa.65:14
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
Isa.65:15
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:

Compare that to some NT verses.

1Th.4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God:
and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th.4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Pe.4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Lu.12:45
But and if that servant say in his heart,
My lord delayeth his coming;
and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens,
and to eat and drink,
and to be drunken;
Lu.12:46
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him,
and at an hour when he is not aware,
and will cut him in sunder,
and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Lu.12:47
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lu.12:48
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.
Lu.12:49
I am come to send fire on the earth;
and what will I,
if it be already kindled?

Da.12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up,
the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:
and there shall be a time of trouble,
such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:
and at that time thy people shall be delivered,
every one that shall be found written in the book.
Da.12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life,
and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Da.12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Hopefully you are still with me, that judgment above is the same one as the sheep/goats in Matthew 25, the Church, false Christians are the goats and they end up in hell (same place Satan is for the 1,000 years, the men in hell remain in hell so they are not released when Satan is, that is an event for the living to witness as their introduction to God after being under the care and control of Jesus for 1,000 years.

The ones not in hell experience that time like Job and Solomon say.

Job.14:12
So man lieth down,
and riseth not:
till the heavens be no more,
they shall not awake,
nor be raised out of their sleep.
Job.14:13
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave,
that thou wouldest keep me secret,
until thy wrath be past,
that thou wouldest appoint me a set time,
and remember me!
Job.14:14
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Job.14:15
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.


Ec.3:20
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec.12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ec.9:10
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave, whither thou goest.

If you are no longer following the above try this this shorter one. Ge.3:16 names two bruises, one has been accomplished and it had enough bloodshed that even God's one and only Son went to the grave for His participation at keeping the serpent at bay. The bruise not yet completed is the serpents death, that is not going to be bloodless either. Bloodless comes after that event, why abolish God for the way things are going in the middle of the prophecies?


Death and (the actions classified as sin), especially liars, and tribulation of any kind would come to an end? Trafficking in human bodies is a crime that is not driven by any specific religion, it is money and lust, would that increase or decrease? (with religion missing)

What the **** are you talking about?

 

[MHz]

Ya, but Santa ain't nasty. That's it: Santa for god!

lol, talk about selective reading and false statements flat out. "Going to find out who's naughty or nice' ring a bell??
Not even a hint as to what defines either, no wonder 'skitterish' is your middle name.

Tsk, tsk, Talloola - You are NOT listening to the know it all Bible thumpers- you're liable to head "south" when you die. :lol::lol::lol:

Next he will be promotiung that you raed a relevant verse and then do the opposite. How would you say your 'spiritual guide' is handling his own affairs.

Ph'p.2:12
Wherefore,
my beloved,
as ye have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[darkbeaver]

A correct god concept is a human prerequisite for elevation to the celestial planes, according to sound philosophy of the remote past. If you don't want to be elevated at this time that's fine because you will be recycled until you get this place called hell figured out. That's right, you're already in the hell that test and tempers your soul/spirit/intellect rendering it whole again after full immersion in the material plane.
Apparently worshiping god is not important, remembering god is the trick that will set you free from the hell of the material body. Hey, that ain't so bad a plan, is it? Several thousand years of corporate religion has near completely destroyed the work of the mystery schools of old. Church and temple are the last places we will find god. If you imagine that you are singularities of autonomous intellect and not drawing on the infinite universal mind I believe you may be mistaken. Don't worry, you have as many cracks at immortality as you require, I guess.

 

[MHz]

What the **** are you talking about?

The long part was setting up some events that God will eventually complete, which of those has you 'upset'

The short question was asking if you expected both bruises be done in a civilized manner that is set to your specifications.

If the above is still confusing you might want to avoid the religious threads, or my posts, whichever is the cause of your constant confusion.

 

[Cliffy]

lol, talk about selective reading and false statements flat out. "Going to find out who's naughty or nice' ring a bell??
Not even a hint as to what defines either, no wonder 'skitterish' is your middle name.

Hz, what difference is there between one imaginary entity or the other? Your belief in the bible is no more or less a belief in the commercialized entity created by men to control men. Religion is no different than Sacks 5th Ave or the Fed. It is all about power and money and you are just a little fish that swallowed the bait, hook, line an sinker.

 

[talloola]

Tsk, tsk, Talloola - You are NOT listening to the know it all Bible thumpers- you're liable to head "south" when you die. :lol::lol::lol:

does that make me a 'dead snow bird'? lol

 

[Cliffy]

does that make me a 'dead snow bird'? lol

good comeback. To me hell would be to die and be sent to the US, especially the southern bible belt.

 

[MHz]

Hz, what difference is there between one imaginary entity or the other?

After much deliberation we all decided 'no' was the proper answer, so saith the 'whole army of one'.

Your belief in the bible is no more or less a belief in the commercialized entity created by men to control men.

By belief promotes the control many men desire is not all it is promoted or the ones at the top would be trying many others to 'ascend' to the same place, they use many methods to prevent that from happening when you look at the reality. Since 1990 my total expenditure for my religious studies is $0, same as it was before. That '0' doesn't mirror the hours spend reading the one book that was free in the beginning

Religion is no different than Sacks 5th Ave or the Fed.

I'm not buying that, pun intended. Nor does it matter that I have any influence on your state of salvation so I can say 'whatever' instead of 'Amen' and my position with Jesus doesn't change at all.

It is all about power and money and you are just a little fish that swallowed the bait, hook, line an sinker.

Like I said, so far it has been totally free in terms of money, what power is there to be gained when everybody endy up in the same plcae before events that cannot be changed come into effect. That each path is different all the way back to Adam just say the 'imagination' of the Holy Spirit allows for an almost infinite numbers of variances tha can lead to the completion of God's words.

 

[Corduroy]

The long part was setting up some events that God will eventually complete, which of those has you 'upset'

The short question was asking if you expected both bruises be done in a civilized manner that is set to your specifications.

If the above is still confusing you might want to avoid the religious threads, or my posts, whichever is the cause of your constant confusion.

My comment on abolishing God was related to a specific description of God many people claim to believe in. It was made before you entered the conversation so it has nothing to do with your specific belief because I have no idea what your belief is. You tried to explain it but failed to get any lucid explanation across to me. You can try again without the Bible quotes (you don't need to "prove" it to me) and without the talk of serpents and bruises, and maybe I'll tell you what I think about it

 

[Cliffy]

After much deliberation we all decided 'no' was the proper answer, so saith the 'whole army of one'.

By belief promotes the control many men desire is not all it is promoted or the ones at the top would be trying many others to 'ascend' to the same place, they use many methods to prevent that from happening when you look at the reality. Since 1990 my total expenditure for my religious studies is $0, same as it was before. That '0' doesn't mirror the hours spend reading the one book that was free in the beginning


I'm not buying that, pun intended. Nor does it matter that I have any influence on your state of salvation so I can say 'whatever' instead of 'Amen' and my position with Jesus doesn't change at all.


Like I said, so far it has been totally free in terms of money, what power is there to be gained when everybody endy up in the same plcae before events that cannot be changed come into effect. That each path is different all the way back to Adam just say the 'imagination' of the Holy Spirit allows for an almost infinite numbers of variances tha can lead to the completion of God's words.

That you think the bible is god's word is the joke. It matters not that you spend nothing to read the bible, that you believe it is anything other that words written by men to control men makes you a fish.