Iraq, some real truths.

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Some real truths that run directly contrary to the US propaganda and most will find hard to believe. Maybe a few will find the facts enlightening.

WHY DOES WASHINGTON HATE SADDAM?

But don't believe what you read here any more than you should believe what you have learned from US propagandists for over 20 years. If you care, if you really care to know if my claims of the US being today's Nazis are true in any part, then search out the details presented in this link. And if you don't care or can't bear to know the horrible truths about the US slaughter of Iraqis and the destruction of Iraq, then continue to believe what people like Colpy tell you.

I can lead the propagandized lemmings to water but I can't make them drink.

Why do I care? Because I wouldn't be a human being if I didn't care now after I have learned the real truth.

Have some of you suspected all along that there was something not on the up and up about the US Propaganda campaign against Iraq? If so then here's your beginning to confirm your suspicions.
 

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Some real truths that run directly contrary to the US propaganda and most will find hard to believe. Maybe a few will find the facts enlightening.

WHY DOES WASHINGTON HATE SADDAM?

But don't believe what you read here any more than you should believe what you have learned from US propagandists for over 20 years. If you care, if you really care to know if my claims of the US being today's Nazis are true in any part, then search out the details presented in this link. And if you don't care or can't bear to know the horrible truths about the US slaughter of Iraqis and the destruction of Iraq, then continue to believe what people like Colpy tell you.

I can lead the propagandized lemmings to water but I can't make them drink.

Why do I care? Because I wouldn't be a human being if I didn't care now after I have learned the real truth.

Have some of you suspected all along that there was something not on the up and up about the US Propaganda campaign against Iraq? If so then here's your beginning to confirm your suspicions.

Basically, what she says is that Iraq was a secular nation....

Well, DUH!

We all knew that! What she doesn't say is that is was also a fascist nation, run by the fascist Ba'athist Party of Saddam, that he engaged in genocide (and I don't use that word loosely) against both the Kurds and the marshland Shi'ites, that his regime murdered hundreds of thousands, and that one of the favourite tactics of his secret police was cutting up the children of dissidents in front of them.

Remember Scott Ridder? The US weapons inspector that campaigned so hard against the US invasion? Read what he says about Iraq under Saddam....

The prison in question is at the General Security Services headquarters, which was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children — toddlers up to pre-adolescents — whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace.


Exclusive: Scott Ritter in His Own Words - TIME

And Kurd genocide

BBC NEWS | Europe | Killing of Iraq Kurds 'genocide'

And the Shi'ite marshes genocide

http://www.eeob.iastate.edu/classes/EEOB-590A/marshcourse/III.4/III.4m_Hamid_Ahmed.pdf

Against stuff like this, against the evidence gathered by Human Rights NGOs, against all common sense you cite as evidence a 12 year old article by a woman without CV, without credentials.......

I googled her. To be fair, I decided to read her stuff, from the oldest forward....in the first article she charges that Boris Yeltsin is a US mole....yep.

Nuttier than your average fruitcake.

Sorry, the reality does not support your fantasy world.
 

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Colpy, I have little interest in more US propaganda or propaganda from US sources such as Ritter. Nor do I have any interest in convincing you of anything tht flies in the face of your dogma. It's obvious to me that you have no interest in addressing the issues in an honest manner.

The US is guilty of egregious war crimes in the ME as well as other countries. Along with their ME proxy killers, the Israelis. Why is it that you have a horse in that race that is wearing US and Israeli colours?

Oh, and the cheap bleating attack against the source was expected. I have to wonder if it's yours or you have just read more US propaganda meant to defend US/Israelis positioning.

Attack is all you can do my friend because if you ever faced the evidence you are probably just about smart enough to learn some ugly truths. You'll never be able to do that.

Colpy, a US apologist who speaks of genocide by Saddam in Iraq when there is more evidence existing in the records of US genocide over the last 40 years than any other country in the world. THe credibility gap has widened again for Colpy.
 

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Colpy, I have little interest in more US propaganda or propaganda from US sources such as Ritter. Nor do I have any interest in convincing you of anything tht flies in the face of your dogma. It's obvious to me that you have no interest in addressing the issues in an honest manner.

The US is guilty of egregious war crimes in the ME as well as other countries. Along with their ME proxy killers, the Israelis. Why is it that you have a horse in that race that is wearing US and Israeli colours?

Oh, and the cheap bleating attack against the source was expected. I have to wonder if it's yours or you have just read more US propaganda meant to defend US/Israelis positioning.

Attack is all you can do my friend because if you ever faced the evidence you are probably just about smart enough to learn some ugly truths. You'll never be able to do that.

Colpy, a US apologist who speaks of genocide by Saddam in Iraq when there is more evidence existing in the records of US genocide over the last 40 years than any other country in the world. THe credibility gap has widened again for Colpy.

Hmmmm...You have no interest in anything Scott Ridder says, simply because he is an American. That despite the fact he was THE most prominent and insistent voice against the invasion of Iraq, and that he spent a large amount of time there working for the UN weapons inspectors.

I criticize your source because she deserves criticism. She has no credentials, she cites nothing, she merely rants. I could get as valid an opinion from the homeless guy down the street that regularly confers with angels. I have some minor training as a historian, if you want to leave an impression, you have to cite something worthwhile. Otherwise, it is just words.

I will leave the dishonesty to you and your kind. The inevitable conclusion is that you have absolutely no interest in truth.

My "horse" is neither American nor Israeli........the only "horse" I race is the defense of western civilization in the face of fascism or Islamist medieval tyranny......I do not hate myself and my culture. I understand that western capitalist democracy, for all its many faults, has moved us further ahead scientifically, and has made more people rich and free that any other system ever....it is the absolute apex of human development....so far.

You should fall to your knees each night and thank whatever god you worship that, if there has to be one mega-superpower in the world, that it is the United States.....instead of the old USSR, China.....or the emerging Muslim world.

And that is the truth. :p:lol:

The United States is guilty of no genocide in the last century.

I am truly sorry that the facts do not support your fantasy world, and make no mistake, it is a fantasy........
 

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Some real truths that run directly contrary to the US propaganda and most will find hard to believe. Maybe a few will find the facts enlightening.

WHY DOES WASHINGTON HATE SADDAM?

But don't believe what you read here any more than you should believe what you have learned from US propagandists for over 20 years. If you care, if you really care to know if my claims of the US being today's Nazis are true in any part, then search out the details presented in this link. And if you don't care or can't bear to know the horrible truths about the US slaughter of Iraqis and the destruction of Iraq, then continue to believe what people like Colpy tell you.

I can lead the propagandized lemmings to water but I can't make them drink.

Why do I care? Because I wouldn't be a human being if I didn't care now after I have learned the real truth.

Have some of you suspected all along that there was something not on the up and up about the US Propaganda campaign against Iraq? If so then here's your beginning to confirm your suspicions.
Please - get your homespun maxims right - it's 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink', and lemmings? They - according to urban legend, jump off a cliff every 7 years or so. Either way, choose one or the other - and get it right.

so let me guess - this 1998 article is the 'real' truth. Why? why is it more 'truthful' than anything else out there?
You know what? I wasn't a fan of the invasion of Iraq. does that mean that
i think that Sadaam H. was a hero? Nope. so he brought electricity to a lot of Iraq. That's nice. Mussolini made the trains in Italy run on time. Do I admire Mussolini? Nope.
Sadaam H. was nice to the people he wanted to be nice to. The Kurds weren't on the list. The husband of his second wife wasn't on the list.
Here's a question. You ask why people support the USA in spite of the invasion and the death toll it has had on the Iraqi population, well why do you love Sadaam H. and why do you accept all the havoc he wrecked upon his own country (I won't say his people, because he chose who his 'people' were.
So come on - give it up - where is all this Sadaam groupie-ness coming from? Is it the mustache? That 'I have control over your life and I can snuff it out whenever I feel" aura he projects? I mean, there are people who develop a sincere 'relationships' with serial killers in prison - maybe it's not much different. .

Please - get your homespun maxims right - it's 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink', and lemmings? They - according to urban legend, jump off a cliff every 7 years or so. Either way, choose one or the other - and get it right.

so let me guess - this 1998 article is the 'real' truth. Why? why is it more 'truthful' than anything else out there?
You know what? I wasn't a fan of the invasion of Iraq. does that mean that
i think that Sadaam H. was a hero? Nope. so he brought electricity to a lot of Iraq. That's nice. Mussolini made the trains in Italy run on time. Do I admire Mussolini? Nope.
Sadaam H. was nice to the people he wanted to be nice to. The Kurds weren't on the list. The husband of his second wife wasn't on the list.
Here's a question. You ask why people support the USA in spite of the invasion and the death toll it has had on the Iraqi population, well why do you love Sadaam H. and why do you accept all the havoc he wrecked upon his own country (I won't say his people, because he chose who his 'people' were.
So come on - give it up - where is all this Sadaam groupie-ness coming from? Is it the mustache? That 'I have control over your life and I can snuff it out whenever I feel" aura he projects? I mean, there are people who develop a sincere 'relationships' with serial killers in prison - maybe it's not much different. .
And, by the way, it seems that you've chosen to be propogandized by the Sadaam H. party. You don't seem to be any different than the people you condemn - unless of course, you can offer up a 'real' argument? Not just some old out dated article? come on! if you REALLY have the courage of your convictions, giver something concrete to back your stance - what you gave? Pure Piffle!
 
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Hmmmm...You have no interest in anything Scott Ridder says, simply because he is an American. That despite the fact he was THE most prominent and insistent voice against the invasion of Iraq, and that he spent a large amount of time there working for the UN weapons inspectors.
If you accepted anything Mr. Ridder reported as being truthful you would have a harder time dismissing the other inspections he did for the UN.

That prison inspection was one of a long list of inspection done at the request of the US, the same ones that enforced a no-fly zone for everybody but them. The same things they told the people in the south they would do if they revolted against Saddam H. , they withdrew support and that allowed Saddam to sent in the gun-ships, everybody was killed man, woman, child, donkey. That began a round of ever increasing sanctions, the only ones the suffered were the ones who had the fewest things to begin with. The report on the prison was probably not even the worst. In most places the 'child' prison would be empty if they were the children of 'rebels'. Most likely they were the children of parents who died because they were injured and could not compete for the few resources .

Perhaps if a list of banned items was compared to items that are banned from Iran, from Cuba, from Venezuela and Gaza. All sorts of reports say the children fared the worst, that is a fact of life when under military siege or a natural disaster when no relief comes.

The 'being a prick' comes in when the one behind the siege knows it is only harming the least, yet it screws tighten even more. One cannot help but come to the conclusion that Gulf I was a planned operation by the US against their former partner in a 8 year war against Iran. Before Saddam H. entered Kuwait he has made the alligation that wells in Kuwait had slant drilled in fields within Iraq's border.
If truth was even remotely the quest there would have been sample comparisons done and/or examine the drill logs and then verify that the holes went where it was claimed they went. Nothing like that was ever proposed before the machines of war were on the way for the 'confrontation' with a fakes massing on the Saudi border.

By saying more than a million civilians can be killed with full justification doesn't bode well for you should somebody come for your leaders someday. Rather than than the 23M bad apples it will be 230M just to make sure all the bad ones were caught. A neat little project would be to compare the stats, deaths, refugees, civilians causalities, refugees, just to give us the perspective if it was North America (or just the US, Canada would be 'forced' to aid the enemy or have devaluation of the 'oonies'.
The truth is the falsehoods will just be regurgitated, and it is the same plan that is being made against other Nations. Should we do the most heart-rendering one first, the incubator story?

Please - get your homespun maxims right - it's 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink', and lemmings? They - according to urban legend, jump off a cliff every 7 years or so. Either way, choose one or the other - and get it right.
If your horse isn't thirsty ride him to the next water-hole on your journey, keep repeating. When you say 'lead' you are talking about being aboard and not 'hoofing' it yourself I hope. If not you probably will forget to drink and you will die of thirst before you get to the next water-hole.
Rabbits go cannibal when they surpass the food supply, what is your point when you apply that to people caught in a 'war-zone'? Slaughter them before they can suffer?

so let me guess - this 1998 article is the 'real' truth. Why? why is it more 'truthful' than anything else out there?
You know what? I wasn't a fan of the invasion of Iraq. does that mean that
i think that Sadaam H. was a hero? Nope. so he brought electricity to a lot of Iraq. That's nice. Mussolini made the trains in Italy run on time. Do I admire Mussolini? Nope.
Too bad there wasn't a report on humanitarian services before Gulf I and a UN report how things improved under the boot of a US Military Siege

Sadaam H. was nice to the people he wanted to be nice to. The Kurds weren't on the list. The husband of his second wife wasn't on the list.
Here's a question. You ask why people support the USA in spite of the invasion and the death toll it has had on the Iraqi population, well why do you love Sadaam H. and why do you accept all the havoc he wrecked upon his own country (I won't say his people, because he chose who his 'people' were.
Name the years his people suffered worse than they have since the end of Gulf I

So come on - give it up - where is all this Sadaam groupie-ness coming from? Is it the mustache? That 'I have control over your life and I can snuff it out whenever I feel" aura he projects? I mean, there are people who develop a sincere 'relationships' with serial killers in prison - maybe it's not much different.
No groupiness, the topic is how truthful are all the various reports that lead up to the current condition and whether and end is really part of the long-term goal. That includes the total destruction of the local population, not just of there but Afghanistan as well.

And, by the way, it seems that you've chosen to be propogandized by the Sadaam H. party. You don't seem to be any different than the people you condemn - unless of course, you can offer up a 'real' argument? Not just some old out dated article? come on! if you REALLY have the courage of your convictions, giver something concrete to back your stance - what you gave? Pure Piffle!
Answer the question about slant-drilling.
 

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Iraq is a radioactive wasteland:

YouTube - Depleted Uranium - Iraq

And you need something more recent?
YouTube - Fallujah babies born with birth defects as a result of Depleted Uranium WMD contaminated dust.

Even US troops and their newborns are affected:
YouTube - Poison DUst - pt.1/8

Now here's my question. Are Canadian servicemen exposed to this? And remember, if US depleted uranium leaves traces of radioactive dust that is free to blow in the wind, settle in agricultural fields, wash into drinking water, exposes local civilian populations, then how can we be sure Canadian servicemen are not exposed to this too?

Should Canada be allied with a country transforming other countries into milder versions of Chernobyl for centuries to come?
 

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Oy vey! Another Iraq thread. Like we don't have enough of them already.
This UShaditcoming sure could use some coaching on how to use the search function here.
 
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Some real truths that run directly contrary to the US propaganda and most will find hard to believe. Maybe a few will find the facts enlightening.

WHY DOES WASHINGTON HATE SADDAM?

But don't believe what you read here any more than you should believe what you have learned from US propagandists for over 20 years. If you care, if you really care to know if my claims of the US being today's Nazis are true in any part, then search out the details presented in this link. And if you don't care or can't bear to know the horrible truths about the US slaughter of Iraqis and the destruction of Iraq, then continue to believe what people like Colpy tell you.

I can lead the propagandized lemmings to water but I can't make them drink.

Why do I care? Because I wouldn't be a human being if I didn't care now after I have learned the real truth.

Have some of you suspected all along that there was something not on the up and up about the US Propaganda campaign against Iraq? If so then here's your beginning to confirm your suspicions.

This is nothing compared to the long-term radioactive contamination of the Iraqi environment today.
 

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Saddam Hussein attacked Iran, and gassed (and killed) 10's of thousands of Iran's soldiers. Saddam and his henchmen gassed their own citizens by the thousands. Saddam then invaded Kuwait, and took over the entire country.

When the United Nations authorized force to remove the Iraqi's from Kuwait, Saddam ordered all of Kuwait's oil wells to be sabotaged, resulting in massive pollution of the Arabian Gulf, as well as the sands of Kuwait.

He refused to comply with United Nations resolutions, calling on him to either allow full disclosure of any weapons of mass destruction (which he had possessed) or be faced with another invasion. He refused to comply, and he got invaded, deposed and his own people hung him.

That's the truth, whether the appologists like it or not.
 

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Saddam Hussein attacked Iran, and gassed (and killed) 10's of thousands of Iran's soldiers. Saddam and his henchmen gassed their own citizens by the thousands. Saddam then invaded Kuwait, and took over the entire country.

When the United Nations authorized force to remove the Iraqi's from Kuwait, Saddam ordered all of Kuwait's oil wells to be sabotaged, resulting in massive pollution of the Arabian Gulf, as well as the sands of Kuwait.

He refused to comply with United Nations resolutions, calling on him to either allow full disclosure of any weapons of mass destruction (which he had possessed) or be faced with another invasion. He refused to comply, and he got invaded, deposed and his own people hung him.

That's the truth, whether the appologists like it or not.

Yes, and Japan attacked Prearl Harbor. Meanwhile, there are still higher cancer rates and birth defects among children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today. So did Pearl harbor make nuking Japan legitimate? What about the concept of proportional force?

For crying out loud, the US has fired over 300 tons of depleted uranium on Iraqi soil alone, not to mention Kososo, Afganistan, etc. That is more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined in terms of the radioactive particles released into the Iraqi environment! Now in Iraq it's estimated that cancer rates and infant deformities have risen 6 to 10 times the previous rate. And since depleted uranium has a half life of 1.4 billion years, that uranium is there to stay. So if we can't wait that long for uranium to eventually break down, then the other option is for it to be washed away into less harmful areas. But then it can take at least 800 years for it to wash down deep enough into the soil or the bottom of the ocean to be farther far enough away from human populations to re-inhabit those areas. Just as Japan's health care system is still feeling the effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki today, so Iraq will suffer even more.

Just because there was no physical dramatic explosion destroying a city, let's not assume that the damage in Iraq is any less harmful.

Let's imagine for a moment that we'd exploded the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs deep in the Arizona desert, scooped up all the radioactive particles, put them in a bag, and dumped that bag on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the cancer rates would have been just as bad as they are today, perhaps even more so since many died from the blast who would otherwise have died a slower and more painful death form radiation poisoning.

The US has dumped more radioactive material on Iraq already than it had on Japan in WWII. If Japan is still feeling the effects, certainly Iraq will feel them for even longer still. And since there was no blast to kill those most exposed instantly, it means that as a result, more will die from cancers and other ailments, and giver birth to more children with deformities. In that sense, the absence of an actual blast is worse than if there had been a blast. Looking at it that way, dropping nukes on Ira would have been more merciful than contaminating the entire landscape with so much depleted uranium. But because of what Iraq did, some think they now deserve this?
 

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Yes, and Japan attacked Prearl Harbor. Meanwhile, there are still higher cancer rates and birth defects among children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today. So did Pearl harbor make nuking Japan legitimate? What about the concept of proportional force?

What a foolish concept and really not used so much in warfare. Warfare is not a fair fight. Japan did not use proportional force against China and they surely would have used the bomb if they had it.

For crying out loud, the US has fired over 300 tons of depleted uranium on Iraqi soil alone, not to mention Kososo, Afganistan, etc.

DU rounds are typically used against armor. Clinton did not even want to get involved in Kosovo except in a support role but NATO forces were being embarrassed and spent the bulk of their time stepping aside as Serbians marched muslims away to be executed. It was US bombing that brought the Serbs to heel. Granted we use DU rounds whenever a tank or APC appears but for the most part its HE and Iron bombs that we bring to bear.

That is more than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined in terms of the radioactive particles released into the Iraqi environment! Now in Iraq it's estimated that cancer rates and infant deformities have risen 6 to 10 times the previous rate. And since depleted uranium has a half life of 1.4 billion years, that uranium is there to stay. So if we can't wait that long for uranium to eventually break down, then the other option is for it to be washed away into less harmful areas. But then it can take at least 800 years for it to wash down deep enough into the soil or the bottom of the ocean to be farther far enough away from human populations to re-inhabit those areas. Just as Japan's health care system is still feeling the effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki today, so Iraq will suffer even more.

Just because there was no physical dramatic explosion destroying a city, let's not assume that the damage in Iraq is any less harmful.

Let's imagine for a moment that we'd exploded the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs deep in the Arizona desert, scooped up all the radioactive particles, put them in a bag, and dumped that bag on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the cancer rates would have been just as bad as they are today, perhaps even more so since many died from the blast who would otherwise have died a slower and more painful death form radiation poisoning.

The US has dumped more radioactive material on Iraq already than it had on Japan in WWII. If Japan is still feeling the effects, certainly Iraq will feel them for even longer still. And since there was no blast to kill those most exposed instantly, it means that as a result, more will die from cancers and other ailments, and giver birth to more children with deformities. In that sense, the absence of an actual blast is worse than if there had been a blast. Looking at it that way, dropping nukes on Ira would have been more merciful than contaminating the entire landscape with so much depleted uranium. But because of what Iraq did, some think they now deserve this?

The effects of DU has been reported by the atomic energy commision as virtually harlmess except for anyone in a tank or APC. It has already been posted here a number of times.

The International Atomic Energy Agency reported in 2003 that, "based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts," although "Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage." The IAEA concluded that while depleted uranium is a potential carcinogen, there is no evidence that it has been carcinogenic in humans

As I said in an earlier post...don't sprinkle it on your cereal or drive around in a tank of any designation with the letter T.
 

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So why dramatic increase in cancers and birth defects?

Also, how's an illiterate and uneducated local supposed to know that a bombed out Iraqi tank that's been sitting there for years is a radiological hazard? And how is the curious Baghdad kid supposed to know that the interesting piece of metal he's playing with is depleted uranium?

Clearly it's a lot more harmful than claimed and there are obvious interests at play in downplaying its dangers.
Again, is it just plain coincidence that cancer rates and birth deformity rates just suddenly increased after the Iraq War? Let's be serious here.

Remember, we're talking about waste material, some of which comes from nuclear reactors. We're essentially dumping our nuclear waste all over the land.

YouTube - Iraq War Crimes- Depleted Uranium 1 of 4

YouTube - BBC Fallujah Birth Defects

YouTube - FALLUJAH BIRTH DEFECTS - THE US PERSONAL WAR

So if nothing'shappening in Fallujah, then why are officials advising parents to not have children anymore?

My god, we went to liberate Iraq from children? At least under Saddam, they could have children.
 

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Mhz, You didn't follow the leads presented in the link I posted because you obviously didn't need to. You have taken the time to search out the truths for yourself and that leads me to believe that you actually care. Not like most of the others who do no more than attack me personally for posting the link and wouldn't care enough to search out some of the truths. Thanks for your knowledgable input.

The others, They immediately go on a defensive attack against me for posting the link. As well they attack the author. The truths spoken in the link are only submissions of the author and when I presented it I was careful to advise people to read and then check out the validity of each of the submissions on their own. Don't take the word of the author, take what she says and find out for yourself if it is true.

But most didn't and won't because they have been propagandized and won't change their minds. This is usuallly how a phony war of this sort is forgotten and put to bed permanently. It is victor's justice. It will always be that way and many years will have to pass before intelligent people look back in retrospect to analyze the war to bring out the truths that were hidden. This is why I am hoping that some of the horrible truths about some of the US wars of aggression can now start to be revealed. In fact just in the last few years some of the truths about the Vietnam war are being leaded out and also some of the truths about the Korean war are coming forward now.

Macho, Thank you too for your contribution in an humanitarian sense. Although it's not aiding us in searching out the truths presented in the link I presented, it does show that the US has little humanitarian conscience and therefore makes it maybe a little easier for some people to start to visualize some of the other evils they have perpetrated against Iraq as well as other small countries.

The Old Medic, Well as least you address the issue and not just make a personal attack against me for posting the link that so many others are upset about. The only trouble is, the content of your comments:

He refused to comply with United Nations resolutions, calling on him to either allow full disclosure of any weapons of mass destruction (which he had possessed) or be faced with another invasion. He refused to comply, and he got invaded, deposed and his own people hung him.

As you say, which he "had" possessed. And you somehow can't appreciate the difference between that and the fact that he no longer possessed the WMD's and declared perfectly honestly that he didn't. I consider that 21st. century Orwellian doublespeak! What else could it be if you're not one of those who are still maintaining that the WMD's are all there but buried in the sand or spirited off to Syria (some other country?).
 

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What people keep forgetting is that Saddam's possession of WMDs was Conventional Wisdom at the time.....largely because Saddam himself behaved as if he were hiding weapons. His attitude towards the weapons inspection teams and UN oversight infered strongly that he was hiding something......that combined with his history of development and use of such weapons......

Saddam was walking a tightrope between keeping the UN and the west from invading because of his flouting of UN regulations....and keeping Iran convinced he was still capable of defending his borders....with WMD.

He blew it.