Iran nuclear program deal reached with world powers during diplomatic talks in Geneva

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CBC News - Canada's wrong-headed position on Iran

It's not a perfect deal, but it will open Iran's nuclear facilities to international inspection, pull back and slow the enriching of near weapons-grade uranium, and essentially require Iran to adhere to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which it has never signed.

It seems we won't be for softening Iran's economic pain unless Tehran virtually abandons its entire bargaining position and gives up all of its centrifuges.

In other words we only give concessions if and when Iran gives us everything we want.

This is not negotiation, but diplomatic unconditional surrender.
 

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CBC News - Canada's wrong-headed position on Iran

It's not a perfect deal, but it will open Iran's nuclear facilities to international inspection, pull back and slow the enriching of near weapons-grade uranium, and essentially require Iran to adhere to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which it has never signed.

It seems we won't be for softening Iran's economic pain unless Tehran virtually abandons its entire bargaining position and gives up all of its centrifuges.

In other words we only give concessions if and when Iran gives us everything we want.

This is not negotiation, but diplomatic unconditional surrender.
If there is a huge gap between 5% fuel and 20% medival grade why do you seem to think going to 90% is such an easy step?

Iran signed that when she applied to build the first power plant. You must mean Israel as she is the one with a plant and no signatures on Treaty.
 

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I'm thinking the reason for that is people trust Israel more than Iran but if Netenyahoo keeps talking, that reputation might change.
 

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Neville Kerry agreed to this. The US Senate will block it.

(And for those who do NOT know anything about history, the reference is to Neville Chamberlain and his "Peace in our Day" pact with Hitler.)
 

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If there is a huge gap between 5% fuel and 20% medival grade why do you seem to think going to 90% is such an easy step?

Iran signed that when she applied to build the first power plant. You must mean Israel as she is the one with a plant and no signatures on Treaty.

Going from 5 to 20 is the hard part- 20 to 90 is a lot easier to do.
 

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Going from 5 to 20 is the hard part- 20 to 90 is a lot easier to do.
So that is why they get to keep the older equipment but have to abandon the newer, faster ones?
I don't usually ask you to prove something as you do the post but on this one do you have some 'link'?

Actually here it is.

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The reason for this is simple; most of the time required to make highly enriched uranium comes in the early stages. 90% of the effort is expended to reach the 5% level, 98% to reach the 20% level.



An American Enterprise Institute report states:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/25/The-Frightening-Obama-Omission-On-Iran-Agreement
 

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So that is why they get to keep the older equipment but have to abandon the newer, faster ones?
I don't usually ask you to prove something as you do the post but on this one do you have some 'link'?

Actually here it is.

(in part)
The reason for this is simple; most of the time required to make highly enriched uranium comes in the early stages. 90% of the effort is expended to reach the 5% level, 98% to reach the 20% level.



An American Enterprise Institute report states:

Deal Lets Iran Keep Half of 98%-Enriched Uranium Stockpile

I was going from memory on the 20 to 90. That was one reason for major concern by many countries. And it is not Israel alone. The EU does not want a nuke power on their respective doorsteps. It will also lead to a nuke race in the ME.
For decades the Shia-Sunni war has been increasing in intensity. Lat thing we need is any of them having a nuke.
And if you look to Pakistan and India- Very easy for things to spin out of control between those 2. India after the terror attacks was quite reasonable and made sure not to provoke Pakistan.
 

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I was going from memory on the 20 to 90. That was one reason for major concern by many countries. And it is not Israel alone. The EU does not want a nuke power on their respective doorsteps. It will also lead to a nuke race in the ME.
For decades the Shia-Sunni war has been increasing in intensity. Lat thing we need is any of them having a nuke.
And if you look to Pakistan and India- Very easy for things to spin out of control between those 2. India after the terror attacks was quite reasonable and made sure not to provoke Pakistan.
So Iran would attack a country with 100's of weapons already, they haven't invaded anybody for 200 years. They have almost unlimited wealth just in oil on the home soil, why would they want to throw that away in a war they have no desire to start and could not ever win. (outright)
 

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No fear, unless like a gun, it's pointed in you general direction, or you are being threatened.
I highly doubt that we are being targeted by the U.S.
 

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You are aware that the pentagon has plans tucked away for war with every country in the world......just in case. That means Canada too.
 

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Wasn't there some 5 year plan the U.S. had to take over the Middle East?

Dem nukes could be handy in a tight spot.
 

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1."Riyadh can no longer automatically depend upon U.S. diplomatic and military support against Iran in its competition for power and influence in the Persian Gulf. "

It would seem that Saudi (and a few friends) and Israel have been the ones messing around in the internal affairs of other Nations in the area. Getting stabbed in the back by a 'former partner' is not a new trend for the US of Israel. In a year or so when Iran's health is back to where it should have been 30 years ago and the advances in human rights that will be on display with contrast sharply with the oppressive regimes of Saudi and the Arab States that went along with her in trying to overthrow the Syrian Government.

2. "This explains Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's uncompromising hostility toward the Geneva agreement even at the expense of doing grave damage to Israeli-U.S. relations. "

The damage was done by Russia, a few moves that pointed to her coming to Syria's aid with the newest hardware that is more than a match (defensive action) than Israel aiding the rebels with hi-tech air support. (arrow3 munitions and aircraft used as the diversion to hide how the explosives were delivered)

3. "Prospects of improved relations with Iran are likely to nudge Washington further down this road thus fracturing the international alliance against Assad and reducing prospects of genuine regime change in Damascus."

It isn't going to work like that, that 737 crash in Russia was a fencepost through the heart of American foreign policy. The US would love that deal, Russia is the one who will get all the 'contracts' for Iran and Syria and the EU and Israel won't bat an eye as the US dollar goes belly up and North America (US and Canada) will be a living example of why you better not start a war you can't finish. Don't think the Bankers are just watchers from the sideline, they are the ones that pull the strings.

4."The Iranian-U.S. rapprochement is likely to lower the political temperature in Iraq and improve Maliki's chances of maintaining control thus conceding to Iran the role of the primary external player in Iraq at least for the next several years, if not indefinitely. "

The US will lose all influence, China is already making large investments that will pull Iraq into her corner of commerce. (rather than military strength)

5. "The battle for a post-Hamid Karzai Afghanistan is already on between the Taliban and the Kabul regime on the one hand and among the various factions and ethnic groups contending for power and influence in the country on the other."

He could stay in power simply by not renewing any deals with the US as 'support', even Libya will get UN Troops rather than American troops to quell the violence that came as a result of a false war against Libya.

That about sums up my view of the article. The headlines can push the US as being the 'instigator' and it is simply wrong, US has to go along because she nor Israel can take on either Iran or (even more-so) Russia. We have enough resourses that our economy could survive intact but we better get out of foreing politics and get down to fixing what is wrong in our own backyard or we will end up asking Haiti for a hand-out. (another failed US run operation)
 

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So why bring up an article where the opinions are 6 months out of date (Israel publishing it now rather than you posting it) if only to try and make it look like a bad deal. Really, I guess Generals don't retire, they just don't have a command, they become the commanded.

The talking points is Israeli spin if it doesn't match what I posted above that came from Iran. The US version is just as corrupt and both would have been published in places that is for 'domestic consumption'.

If it wasn't you would see that Iran has to reduce their 1/2 of the 20% enriched back to 5%. If it promotes anything else it is propaganda.

Does the 'reneg' statement deserve a reply, it isn't a good one if you compare promises made and broken when you list Israel and Iran together. When you are 'less than perfect' it help to find some even less perfect, unfortunately in this case it is via lies taht is almost becoming chronic for what Israel says and what she does. That trait isn't admired in individuals and it doesn't help any Nation to do that in the short or long run.